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The Ancient Astronaut Theme the Church tries to avoid

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posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 07:47 PM
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It appears the Ancient Astronauts theme is popping up all over the place. Interesting video has some relics:

www.youtube.com...

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The theory is addressed here:

en.wikipedia.org...

Proponents suggest that this contact influenced the development of human cultures, technologies and religions. A common variant of the idea is that deities from most, if not all, religions are actually extraterrestrials, and their technologies were taken as evidence of their divine status

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Book of Genesis and Book of EnochThe Book of Genesis, chapter 6 verses 1–4, states:

When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose.
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The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them.
— Genesis 6:1–4 (New International Version)

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It appears one of the biggest issues with Noah was the wipe out of the Nephilim from the Euphrates Valley due to what appears to be a huge toxic fallout effect from volcanic Mt. Ararat that triggered massive rains and deaths in the region. Yet, in other parts of the world they heard about the distruction, but life continued.

It even appears some of the secrets of Egypt stem from Giants connected with that Culture.

Move on into Moses and history speaks to Moses killing off more Giants.

Move on down to David and he appears to have killed the last Giant Goliath.


It certainly would help explain the Pyramids to find some huge creature Giants helping move the stones. It certainly would help to explain the Collossis of Rhoads. It would help to explain why Nimrod is off building a tower to become like a god, and why he became a hunter of men. We might even find a few Giants as gods in Egypt afterwards.

We might even find the reasons type A blood is associated with Chimpanze related blood, why type B blood is associated with Great Ape Blood, and type O is associated with reptiles. And why the RH positive blood factor associates with rhesis monkey blood.

Could it be the religion people left off a good bit of religious history?


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posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 07:52 PM
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Excuse me sir, i seem to have left my pants in your wifes room



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 07:56 PM
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type A blood is associated with Chimpanze related blood


That explains a lot for me.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 08:05 PM
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Originally posted by JibbyJedi



type A blood is associated with Chimpanze related blood


That explains a lot for me.





This man is genious, Garsson give him a shilling



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 08:14 PM
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The issues of blood factors:

www.bibliotecapleyades.net...

The Man-Apes

28 separate studies showed that Chimpanzees have the blood types A and minimal O, but never B.

8 separate studies showed that Gorillas have the blood types B and minimal O, but never A.

There is NO blood type AB in either of the man-apes!

(Jakob Schmitt, Immunbiologische Untersuchungen bei Primaten; S. Karger, New York and Basel, 1968).

But man has both A and B AND blood type AB as well as very much O.



The same holds true for the MN blood type, which is a different blood antigen. Man is both M and N or the combined MN blood type whereas the Chimpanzees and Gorillas react exclusively to these types. (According to Schmitt, the reactions of Chimpanzees are 00.16 to Anti-M human mucous and 10.00 to Anti-N, whereas the figures for Gorillas are exactly the reverse, with 10.00 to Anti-M and 00.64 to Anti-N).


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posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 08:49 PM
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"It appears one of the biggest issues with Noah was the wipe out of the Nephilim from the Euphrates Valley due to what appears to be a huge toxic fallout effect from volcanic Mt. Ararat that triggered massive rains and deaths in the region. Yet, in other parts of the world they heard about the distruction, but life continued."

This is a good theory, but the Bible cleary states that it was a worldwide flood that destroyed all people save for Noah and his family. If you are going to believe the stated parts of the Bible, you have to believe all that it says in reference to this subject. This also raises the problem that if only Noah was left, and the Nephilim had died in the flood, where did the giants come from? Seems there are many gaps we have yet to fill. Good post though.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 09:05 PM
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There is actually alot buried in the bible, whole passages if they are interpreted in a pure way, don't say what is suggested and suggest something else altogether.

www.abovetopsecret.com...
Ex-Vatican Translator, Mauro Biglino's Alternative Creation/Translation Theory,

One of the biggest tip offs should be that the 10 commandments as we know them, as they are written in every bible, do not even exist. The closest there is to that kind of list is in the book of thoth.

There is a list similar to the decalogue in that egyptian book:

www.book-of-thoth.com...

I've read his book and the closest thing to Zechariah 5 is found here:

www.bartleby.com...

There are some changes though

If you weed out some things you have a cylindar cigar shape craft, and their lead or metal saucer, there's have wings and wheels and a dome, and a female pilot. They load something up and are going to a place that is in Sumar to a base there. The part about morality reminds me of Sleeper/Lou Baldin on his site where he said to make sure you are wearing your clean underwear, ie, no karma. As negative abductions seem to be related to whether we're doing the work we came to do and frequency.

This is only one very small passage, there are many others. Seems to be alot of cloud ships red lit type flames, like modern crafts and bases (temples) in mountain tops similar to Mount Shasta, Mount Adams.

There is alot there.



posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 09:09 PM
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Originally posted by markuz93
"It appears one of the biggest issues with Noah was the wipe out of the Nephilim from the Euphrates Valley due to what appears to be a huge toxic fallout effect from volcanic Mt. Ararat that triggered massive rains and deaths in the region. Yet, in other parts of the world they heard about the distruction, but life continued."

This is a good theory, but the Bible cleary states that it was a worldwide flood that destroyed all people save for Noah and his family. If you are going to believe the stated parts of the Bible, you have to believe all that it says in reference to this subject. This also raises the problem that if only Noah was left, and the Nephilim had died in the flood, where did the giants come from? Seems there are many gaps we have yet to fill. Good post though.





I do think the rest of the world's history runs with continuity right though the flood's time period, so it was not a world-wide flood. The rest of the world took note there was a big problem, but only one area was hit hard.

Lots more per this page's URL:

firstlegend.info...



www.greatdreams.com...


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posted on Feb, 8 2012 @ 11:39 PM
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Here is a fun thing to try (still waiting for someone to write a book by doing this with a little editing) while reading the bible replace all the gods with Head Alien and angels with alien crew members. It's enlightening LOL.

-Zz



posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 12:05 AM
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For that matter, use Ozzy and Black Sabbath.



posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 12:08 AM
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I've seriously thought about writing that book LOL, maybe get you to provide all those debunked photos you've collected over the years that I've lurked here LOL.

And risking the plagarism I'll tie it in with the hollow moon (abandoned/broken space ship) theory ala Mutineer's Moon.


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posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 02:02 AM
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Originally posted by markuz93
"It appears one of the biggest issues with Noah was the wipe out of the Nephilim from the Euphrates Valley due to what appears to be a huge toxic fallout effect from volcanic Mt. Ararat that triggered massive rains and deaths in the region. Yet, in other parts of the world they heard about the distruction, but life continued."

This is a good theory, but the Bible cleary states that it was a worldwide flood that destroyed all people save for Noah and his family. If you are going to believe the stated parts of the Bible, you have to believe all that it says in reference to this subject. This also raises the problem that if only Noah was left, and the Nephilim had died in the flood, where did the giants come from? Seems there are many gaps we have yet to fill. Good post though.


I don't see anything inconsistent there... if the fallen angels coupled with women and created (I believe through genetic manipulation and not through natural physical sex) Nephilim, there's no reason why they couldn't have done so again after the flood.

Personally I believe... not that this is an unknown part of Scripture, but simply that much of the church didn't know how to handle it and found it too "far out" to reach. Hence the use of the "sons of God = Sethites" teaching in many churches today.

I think the Bible is a lot more literal than most churches give it credit for.



posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 04:59 AM
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Originally posted by Awen24

I don't see anything inconsistent there... if the fallen angels coupled with women and created (I believe through genetic manipulation and not through natural physical sex) Nephilim, there's no reason why they couldn't have done so again after the flood.

Personally I believe... not that this is an unknown part of Scripture, but simply that much of the church didn't know how to handle it and found it too "far out" to reach. Hence the use of the "sons of God = Sethites" teaching in many churches today.

I think the Bible is a lot more literal than most churches give it credit for.


It may be that some of these Ancient Aliens were considered Angels or perhaps gods of some cultures, and pagans by others.

These fallen angel types appear to be associated with teaching the Earth's peoples how to make metals and other techniques, perhaps the roots of Alchemy methods. How to heat rocks to get metals, how to make others into acids, and yet others into poisons. The Bible appears to speak in allegory methods about much of the Alchemical linked methods and most of the Great Master's art speaks with visual allegory methods from DaVinci's painting on over to Michaelanglo's. It appears Moses may have been a master alchemist, as well as those that knew the secrets for the Ark of the Covenant. Moses had a problem with the Giants it appears, as well as David and those times had problems with the Giants. Goliath was taunting David about the Ark of the Covenenant even.

Def:

en.wikipedia.org...

Allegory is a demonstrative form of representation explaining meaning other than the words that are spoken. Allegory communicates its message by means of symbolic figures, actions or symbolic representation.

First attested in English 1382, the word allegory comes from Latin allegoria, the latinisation of the Greek ἀλληγορία (allegoria), "veiled language, figurative"

Book of Revelation (for allegory in Christian theology, see typology (theology)




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posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 05:21 AM
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Romancing the Stones--Allegory and Alchemy--The Blind Man's Journey unto the Light

The Biblical Narratives written with Alchemical Allegory Methods


One of the reasons to refer to the Bible texts as a narrative is because there is often allegory involved and the allegory method masks or veils the truth, but too many illiterate readers take the passages as literal truth. This inability of the Bible readers to view the writing at the deeper level causes lots of problems with Elmer Gantry type preaching misleading the masses from the ideals of the Essene's Messiah. The greatest art of the European Great Masters makes use of the allegory symbolism methods to impart hidden meaning to the viewer. Only those adept to such methods can read the Bible Narratives at the level of intelligence it was designed to impart. In the US, those exposed to these higher methods of understanding is around zero and this was done to keep the people distant from the inner truths of religion.

The Story of Moses and the Burning Bush seems so simple that God made a Bush burn yet there was no fire, yet this story involves the Alchemical Allegory method as it relates to the Story of the Ark. Here the story tells of a volcanic region that emits an acid gas that burns to the touch, but has to fire of combustion. It is the story of Moses discovery of acid. All the old Alchemy methods derived from Egypt tell these stories with veiled and hidden meanings that keeps the information of how to work chemical methods

Even the story for Moses as an infant is important, per allegory, as when Moses was given up for dead and set adrift on the Nile to be taken in by the Egyptian Royal Family. This involved the story of Egyptian Royalty funerals always floated the dead over the Nile toward their final resenting place and the issues of resurrection. Most will recognize this as part of the initiation ritual for the Skull and Bones society.

If one applies the same methods of looking for the allegorical meanings one can find another with the Story of David and Goliath. Here the Story tells that David killed the Giant called Goliath with a stone flung from his sling shot. But the alternative meaning is David used the power of the Ark's special chemistry to kill Goliath, as that technique involves the Gem Stone of fluorite mixed with acid to fell the Giant with a chemical toxic method known to the Egyptians and to Moses.

Move on up to the visual methods of the Great Masters of Europe that understood the issues of Alchemy and Allegory and we find the Last Supper Painting by DaVinci. Here the Artwork depicts Jesus making the outline of a Pyramid with his outstretched arms, with his head at the top of the Pyramid symbol as the Eye of Horus. Jesus was replaced Horus as the All Seeing. Jesus right hand is like the raptor's claw and his left is openhanded for the offering. Situated to the right of Jesus is the V-shape, for an upside down pyramid shape, and both Jesus Eyes and Mary's eyes are averted from this area. So, this painting captures the presence of God, as it is the Lord's Supper ritual of Christ, it captures the Messiah Jesus being on par with the all seeing, and lastly an unseen unholy presence of Evil.

Still deeper examination of the DaVinci allegory finds the setting of the Last Supper is over the Tomb of David in the Upper Room. So, there is a reverence to David and Moses, and Jesus completes a long history of the Ark using the ideas of Bread and Wine. Bread and Wine grown in this region was rich with Boron mineral content and this heals people's poor health from the effects of fluoride.

The Alchemical Allegory from the Lord's Supper even appeared in the Feudal Lords of Europe as they paid their Alchemists to invent prescriptions for health elixirs. Here the came up with Wine again and Beer made from grains as the newest addition to methods that heal. And today, we find the wines are protective against cardiovascular diseases and help with antioxidant methods due mainly to the effects of Boron.

In the times of Jesus, Men were blind to the benefits of food and water toward health, and another allegorical story linked to Jesus was his helping a blind man to see at the well. The allegory tells Jesus mixed the soil and applied it to the Blind Man's eyes and he was restored to seeing. Here the soils and rocks have the mineral boron that provides the healing, but it only works for those taught the special effects from the soils and water of one region verses another.

Another allegorical story of Jesus is that he turned the water into wine, and this one is equally simple as Jesus discovered the minerals in various regions stones provided the same health effects of wine. So, the symbolism is Jesus tapped a stone and it sprang forth with water with the same health effects of wine, as the Spring contained the Boron mineral.

Although most can see the allegorical methods used in the Revelation Stories, as the uses of symbolism and imagery are more extraordinary, the same methods happen throughout the Biblical Narratives and some that are more difficult to see are explained away as miracles. There were no great miracles in those times, just ignorance peoples in those times and as now via illiterate and money grubbing preaching abusing the common man rather than enlightening him to the real stories from those old world times.

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Goliath sees an angel and tells David that it is not he who has killed him but the angel.

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The Talmud stresses the thrasonical Goliath's ungodliness: his taunts before the Israelites included the boast that it was he who had captured the Ark of the Covenant and brought it to the temple of Dagon; and his challenges to combat were made at morning and evening in order to disturb the Israelites in their prayers.

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The purpose of the original story was to show David's identity as the true king of Israel.[1] Post-Classical Jewish traditions stressed Goliath's status as the representative of paganism, in contrast to David, the champion of the God of Israel.

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posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 06:31 AM
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Were there ancient astronauts?... maybe. I have seen a UFO, not as a distant light in the sky but hovering across several acres at about 100 yards and less. So maybe there are modern aliens, why not ancient aliens.

As for Nephillium...are they aliens described as fallen angels? Or are they fallen angels disguised as ancient aliens?

As for the giants... They were in the "Days of Noah" and as you quote in the opening OP, "and afterward." So yes, we can have "mighty men as in the days of old" during Noah's time and even in the time of Joshua and David.

The flood does appear to be a world wide event, maybe not as absolutely devestating as Biblically described, but most ancient cultures describe an ancient flood that devestated their culture...from the Summerians, Hebrews, to the native Americans and their "big canoe."

Is it not possible to actually have aliens and humans existing in a world or universe in which there is also a God and angels and fallen angels?

Ifwe subscribe to the idea that God created all things and the universe...and as a Christian, I do... then could not God also present Himself to Humans and alien beings on other planets? Wonder what Jesus looked like there?

As for analogy and history and the literal interpretation of the Bible... we have people that question 9/11 and what actually happened just 11 years ago... We have people that present a strong case that the USA did not go to the moon in 1969... Can we, with certainty, write off the stories and descriptions in the Bible as alagory or an analogybecause they seem fantastic to us?

As for the ancient astronaut theory and the Bible, there are better examples with far more fascinating descriptions than you have provided here to make your case... I don't know why you didn't use them.



posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 06:46 AM
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Just because the Church decided to take the bible out of context doesnt mean you should either.

I think thats a pretty important piece of advice.



posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 07:50 AM
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Originally posted by AlreadyGone
As for Nephillium...are they aliens described as fallen angels? Or are they fallen angels disguised as ancient aliens?



I think this might depend on how you view aliens and angels. It might also depend on how you view physics and metaphysics. Do you believe in the supernatural or do you believe in advanced technology that the human mind cannot yet understand? Do you believe in evolution or creation? Do you believe in other habitable planets in this density or do you believe that only Heaven, hell and earth exist? Do you view angels and aliens as biological entities or interdimensional entities?

Perhaps the ancient men called them angels and modern man calls them aliens. I personally think it doesn't matter what you call them, if they have similar qualities and nearly identical descriptions by witnesses then they might be one and the same.



posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 08:16 AM
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How about all of the above?

Is it not possible to have the supernatural and a high tech world? Is it not possible to have biological entities from another dimension?

A whale and a fish are so similar and yet so different... the difference between Mexican and Italian cooking is a few spices... so the difference between a Ford and a Mercury or a Chevy Pickup and a GMC pickup is grill design... so likewise...the alien and the angel are similar and yet so different.

The difference between chocolate cake and a fudge brownie is self rising flour versus all purpose flour... so we have to ask ourselves... were the pyramids built by beings that ate chocolate cake or fudge brownies?



posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 08:25 AM
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I can prove ancient astronauts were here. It's like this: A human being is an animal unless taught to speak by age 5. If not taught to speak and interact with people, IE socialized by 5, it is no different from an ape. This has been proven by c ases of human abandoned in the wild at an early age. Once they have been found it has proven impossible to socialize them or teach them to speak.

Therefore, the question arises. Who first taught humans to speak and socialize? How did we go from ape like simpletons to what we are today? In order for us to be us, we must be taught to be us. It could not come from our parents, since they could not figure it out on their own. At any rate, it would have been impossible for us to teach our young because no one had taught us. So how?

There is no way you can teach your children something you yourself cannot learn. This is absolute proof that someone or something intervened in our past. They would have had to kidnap several children at a very young age and teach them to speak. Speech and everything that comes with it descended from that initial group of "tamed" humans. It is impossible for us to have learned it on our own.

I think God did it, but aliens could also.



posted on Feb, 9 2012 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by markuz93
"It appears one of the biggest issues with Noah was the wipe out of the Nephilim from the Euphrates Valley due to what appears to be a huge toxic fallout effect from volcanic Mt. Ararat that triggered massive rains and deaths in the region. Yet, in other parts of the world they heard about the distruction, but life continued."

This is a good theory, but the Bible cleary states that it was a worldwide flood that destroyed all people save for Noah and his family. If you are going to believe the stated parts of the Bible, you have to believe all that it says in reference to this subject. This also raises the problem that if only Noah was left, and the Nephilim had died in the flood, where did the giants come from? Seems there are many gaps we have yet to fill. Good post though.





I do think the books of the Bible were picked because they appeared to be "inspired writing". Many of the stories appeared borrowed and adapted to their times and thoughts. In those times the more literal descriptions of science didn't exist and everything they'd see today would have become a miracle back then for them.

Issues like Volcanic Eruptions would be acts of God, and these still are today as Natural Events. The Mt. Ararat Volcano is a slow effusing volcano like Laki in Iceland, that affected the weather and lives of the planet in later periods. Mt. Ararat is the largest land mass volcano in the world, but it doesn't have a flat top due to caldura, because it is a high altitude slow effusion type volcano. Laki was a low altitude volcano:

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Consequences in North AmericaIn North America, the winter of 1784 was the longest and one of the coldest on record. It was the longest period of below-zero temperatures in New England, the largest accumulation of snow in New Jersey, and the longest freezing over of the Chesapeake Bay. There was ice skating in Charleston Harbor, a huge snowstorm hit the south, the Mississippi River froze at New Orleans, and there was ice in the Gulf of Mexico.[17][18]

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The story of Noah appears to be one about the evils on the Earth due to Fallen Angels and they often tyrannical offspring called Giants. The Noah Flood is about God's retribution toward the Giants. Even Moses gets into killing Giants. And the Young David, appears to have been annointed to become the King gets into Giant Killing, but it appears there was a helping hand from the power of the Ark being applied to Goliath. It is a certainty that right after David becomes famous he goes after the Ark of the Covenant and keeps is close to him.

All these stories carry an Ark theme and most of the inspired writers speak in allegorical type terms as the ability to write in more clear scientific terms did not exist in those periods. Yet, if one includes the allegorical methods, the clearer meanings come forth.


Plus, they simply didn't want the secrets of the Ark put in plain terms, else everyone knows the power. So, all the Ark issues are spoken in veiled and less exact terms. The Manhattan Project did the same thing to keep the secrets of the Bomb. Everything had a nickname and it was against the law to speak the real name of various compounds, shapes, and methods for refinement. Yet, everyone that knew the allegorical terms knew exactly what each were talking about. Alchemy terms worked the same way. When things are secret, the literal disappears and the allegorical is used. Even in the Mafia.



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