Venezuela threatens Britain over Falklands as its president vows to side with Argentina , page 23

reply to post by N1thNa1ath

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Thank God for my ebautiful Latino America where all religions live happily!

But I assure you this new politicans in L.A are trying their best to create a separatist movement.


Divide and conquer. It is truly happening everywhere and we are still fools beliving in their promises

reply to post by N1thNa1ath

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Sorry? You just called me amigo (fyi I am a lovely girl and now you are going against my political views because I dont like Chavez?

I obviously dont think black and white like you because unlike you, I know Latino America are one of the most complicated territoires in the wholem world. Exactly yes, becasue we are not Black or white. Our problems are not the politicians, our problems is our lack of commitment with what is truly important, democracy, our rights, our freedom of speech and act. We dont have our priorities clear and for that reason, we wont be like a "Europe" anytime soon. In what way I say a "Europe"? In the following ways, take for instant UK:

- Free health system. The NHS is not an amazing system but it is free and I am for one very greatful it is. I am a taxpayer and I am proud of it because I can go to the doctor, biuy any prescription for £7.20, go to the hospital and I will never feel guilty about it. In Venezuela, you would be crazy by going to a hospital. There is not even cottom or alcohol isopropilic for you to clean your wounds. In Venezuela, you have to have health insurance if not you are very very f**ked

- Free education: Again, same thing. my private school in Venezuela which is now about £300 a month, it is the equivalent of a public school here, pretty much. Infrastructure, materials, installations, libraries, all. In Venezuela, my aunt works in a public school in a tiny village,, they lack many things and many times she needs to buy things from her own pocket. Look at the misions Chavez does, how can you think that getting a high school diploma in 9 months is worth of anything?

- Safety: Im not even going to get into that but just to let you know, my biggest concern is the lack of payment policemen in venezuela get paid, then they go into gangs and get all corrupt because they dont have anything to loose and b) they dont have any other choice. If the public sector in Venezuela was paid as it should be, they wouldnt be so corrupt. Look a China (now that I know you are a "Red groupie") In China, the best paid people are the public sector. I have met teachers in UK that have won awards to come here and study for a bit and the goverment pays for everything. Just to clarify the "insert colour here" band, I dont think China is amazing but at least in that small detail sector, I do think its better than Venezuela.

and I can go on.


To make it clear to you things are not black or white
and who the hell are you to think I am not doing anything?

I was part of the student movement in Venezuela when I lived there. I got gas bombs thrown at me and stones thrown at my school.
My sister got kidnapped. My family HAS ALL BEING POLITICIANS. My grandfather the founder of one of the big political parties in Venezuela in one state and claimed to be a key person for the foundation of the state and he with a gorup of people builted an amazing state, Monagas.

My mother is a massive activist in Venezuela and has recieved death treats already. I am the organiser of Venezuelans in South East UK and my work is to get everyone to go and vote this December. I am also part of the journalism of Venezuelans in the exterior to report about the elections this year.

Sorry you were saying???

Sorry, you were saying 40% of our country is against Chavez also? What news you read?

Two years ago we voted for the congress AND GUESS WHAT HAPPENED BY "FRIEND"
52 PERCENT WAS OPPOSITION VOTES

and that gave us hope to go and vote this year.


and what Neoliberal politics? You dont even know what that word means. Good for you for using a fancy word in your post...




I tell you as I told the other guy: Buy a ticket to Caracas and stay in Petare for instance IF you dare. Buy a ticket and I give you a shelter and take you ina tour around and show you the real country.


There are 40 killings a day in Venezuela
There is 1 kidnapp every 3 minutes
There is lack of food in supermarkets

NO MORE CHAVEZ!

reply to post by N1thNa1ath

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You are one of those with the "indigena heart" going on about the Aztecs and the Mayans? If you are Argentine you are problably more European descedant that anyone from any other Latino American country.

You know a very very very very few population of the Americans descent from them right?I have indigena blood, I am a brownie, thick black hair, dark eyes (cannot even see pupils), quite indigena face woman and I dont have your stupid mentality with the mayans and aztecs and all of that.

Unfortunately, our continent has been use as a machinerary to provide for those 1st world countries and NOW it is worst than ever but no, you dont think it is like that because you see a brownie man with a red shirt saying "socialism or death" and you think that is enough to "believe" in change? That is pure bollocks my "friend" Im sorry. The day I see Venezuela with incredible free education, free health, low taxes, good equality between people cultures, in my opinion specially in rights; Cars, food, electrodomestics, clothes, all "Made in Venezuela" Then! I would be proud of such "socialism" but it is all a bunch of lies... the country ever year goes down in acceletaring speed.

I dont get all fo this resentment really and calling me Neo-political. If you are one of those ignorants that like Castro, Che Guevara, Tapamaros and those imbeciles then good on you for believeing in whatever it is your truth but I refuse to get drowned in the your infinte well of ignorance.

I hate Che Guevara, I hate that imbecil "CliChe" who killed many many people just for fun. What a big idiot that guy is and poor him, used in such propaganda. You know who killed him? Your other friend Castro! Ha! What a load of bollocks this people are


Que te paso? Te metieron la propaganda bien adentro chamo!

reply to post by metalpr

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another ignorant one who thinks because Chavez is "against" the British is best to be applaud

See who he sells the oil to my friend yeah, so you get a grip!

reply to post by lifeissacred

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GOOD LORD!

Thank you!

You see YOU NEVER learn that in Latino America but it is so easy to go to google and find for yourself about a bit of history.

You are right, it was the French. The Spanish discovered first and then it was disputed.
en.wikipedia.org...

This problem has been going on for a very very long time, it is not new but as I said, this is pure propaganda for Argentina's Kirchner, she is losing lots of vote. It is ridiculous the topic being discussed in a way. What are people pretending? To kick all the British out and get the Argentinians to settle in?

Hum..

that sounds familiar...

reply to post by Karmayogi11

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See people! Another Venezuelan talking here

Chamo!!!!!!!!!! Que bueno que estas aqui para ayudarme!!!

To everyone else:

WE ARE NOT INTERESTED IN THE FALKLAND ISLANDS

WE ARE INTERESTED IN OUR PRIMARIES VOTE THIS WEEKEND TO VOTE FOR A LEADER AGAINST CHAVEZ.

Our business are more important that the rest of the world. That is a reasonable way of thinking, period.

Now you can all believe what "Mico" or the Monkey with silk is saying on your little box. The sensationalist slut.


FYI: Today I got to know someone close to my family died by stabbing in the face because they wanted to rob them. Before, you would hear about this news on the tv, now you know it from your own family and friends who had first hand experiences. This is terrible! It is happening more and more..

reply to post by oddnutz

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HOLY #z!

Nice one for putting some more info into the post! I am not suprised!

reply to post by isaac7777

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IMPERIALIST MINDSET

Pure nationalistic propaganda for the South Americas..

That is a great way of putting it definetely and it is not only in Argentina but in Venezuela, Bolivia, Ecuador, Cuba, Guatemala, Honduras and keep going.. and its a plague!

It is so ridiculous

Look at our last names: Garcia, Rodriguez, Martinez, Carvajal, Miranda, ETC ETC ETC all SPANISH names


and Kirchner... that sounds very Argentine

reply to post by mr-lizard

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well lets go a bit deeper I am totally in favor with the Uk this time..

but..

The islands were desolated but apart from the islands, I dont understand why colonialist really thought that they had some right about the place they were sighting. I am sure they were some indigenas at least in the mainland but still they had some great idea of conquering it. I dont like the world colonialist I think conquest is a better word or invation.
Many things were stolen from here, Cuba was full of pearls and now there arent that many because of the Spanish. Same with gold, with precious stonesn etc. and on top of that, the natives were later used as slaves.
So the explotation of the Americas was blatant/petulent/brazen (too many words for the translation of a great Spanish word: "Descarado"

I think Latino American history is quite complicated, maybe even more complicated than European. Even though it is not as long, and with many characters and such. The Americas has been a corrupted territory since its first "discovery". We arent even sure of what exactly Latino America was before the conquistadores came. It is a shame as many tales from Indigena tribes believe it was quite a rich civilisation in regards to arquitecture, customs, culture and such.
Good old Spanish people who destroyed and burned everything that was as Christian as them.

Thats why now you have a lot of people with resentment (not me of course, I am one Spanish descendant, that would make me a big hipocrite! :lol
But I still understand where some people come from (their argument) and why they are so passionate about it.I for one, partially believe in this argument but as everything, it has many sides.

Originally posted by azulejo
reply to post by N1thNa1ath

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- Free health system. The NHS is not an amazing system but it is free and I am for one very greatful it is. I am a taxpayer and I am proud of it because I can go to the doctor, biuy any prescription for £7.20, go to the hospital and I will never feel guilty about it. In Venezuela, you would be crazy by going to a hospital. There is not even cottom or alcohol isopropilic for you to clean your wounds. In Venezuela, you have to have health insurance if not you are very very f**ked

- Free education: Again, same thing. my private school in Venezuela which is now about £300 a month, it is the equivalent of a public school here, pretty much. Infrastructure, materials, installations, libraries, all. In Venezuela, my aunt works in a public school in a tiny village,, they lack many things and many times she needs to buy things from her own pocket. Look at the misions Chavez does, how can you think that getting a high school diploma in 9 months is worth of anything?

- Safety: Im not even going to get into that but just to let you know, my biggest concern is the lack of payment policemen in venezuela get paid, then they go into gangs and get all corrupt because they dont have anything to loose and b) they dont have any other choice. If the public sector in Venezuela was paid as it should be, they wouldnt be so corrupt. Look a China (now that I know you are a "Red groupie") In China, the best paid people are the public sector. I have met teachers in UK that have won awards to come here and study for a bit and the goverment pays for everything. Just to clarify the "insert colour here" band, I dont think China is amazing but at least in that small detail sector, I do think its better than Venezuela.


There are 40 killings a day in Venezuela
There is 1 kidnapp every 3 minutes
There is lack of food in supermarkets

NO MORE CHAVEZ!

edit on 10-2-2012 by azulejo because: (no reason given)

Agree with you on your first point but if you appreciate what the NHS does please get a close eye on it because it might become privatised soon.

On the second, I have to disagree, I have attended public and private schools in Venezuela and public schools in England and the school system is better in Venezuela, I joined here in year 9 and was being tough things I learned in year 6 in Venezuela but depends what you call "better" I feel you get a better education in Venezuela but get more resources here as they supply materials.

Agree on the third in a way but I think is more complicated than that, if you loose your ethics and values because of money then being paid more would not make much of a difference, it would just mean they'd get more, even if their salaries are tripled they would continue being corrupt.

I know Chavez is not the best but a lot of these issues have been going on since I was born, is not like he came into power and suddenly all these things started happening and I think they were worse under Carlos Andres Perez.

Just be careful what you wish for because I'd say his successor will be happy to kneel over for the international banks and get them in, it will destroy our culture in the long run if this happens and increase our debt tenfold.

I had always been neutral towards Chavez, for a while I was tempted to be against him but now I am tempted to say I am leaning to support him a bit, all I gotta say is that you should look who says what about him, my theory on his opposition has and continues to be the following:

Most middle-higher classes in Venezuela can afford DIrectTV... who broadcasts on there? Fox, WB, CNN, BBC, etc... all networks owned by the elite that have an agenda to control the world's resources, I'd be willing to bet my balls that they have all been instructed to undermine Chavez at every possible turn, to twist everything he says, to make his people hate him in order to overthrow him because he wont bow down to their demands.

If you think these networks are fair and report news properly then you are blind, no offence, I was blind for years too... but I have seen first hand the BBC twisting stories, stories I been part of... in fact the BBC released a story this week about "hooligans" in the north after the Middlesborough vs Sunderland, my friend was involved in this and the report once again was twisted and completely unfair.

If most Venezuelans want to get rid of Chavez, that is fine, is your right... but if you are going to replace him with a puppet for the US then IMO you'll end up hammering the last nail in the coffin.

This current hate between Chavistas and Esqualidos is text book elite tactics, divide and conquer, our country has never been so divided and the media are the main culprit.

Saludos y un abraso.

reply to post by Xality

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Xality completely. I understand your point. When I went to Canada high school in Grade 10 I was being thought trigonometry and that they teach you in grade 6. So yes, but it doesnt mean is bad education or worse, it is just another way of teaching.

But I went to a private school in Venezuela and also a public school and the public one was a very very bad school. I hate eto got to extra-curriculum classes because the school was so bad I needed extra help to get in the private one.
I think my private school in Venezuela gave me a very good education. We dont get to choose your asignatures (subjects, classes) but you have to learn a bit of everything which I think its very good. I for one, when I have children, will move out of UK because I also think girls here go through mental puberty way too young. My opinion.

I was talking more about the materials given to you, the infrasttructure, the installations. You cannot say the installations of a public school in Venezuela are better than the ones in England.

NHS, good point may be privatise but it isnt yet and I hope this stupid conservative goverment doesnt do it!!

I dont understand this point:

Agree on the third in a way but I think is more complicated than that, if you loose your ethics and values because of money then being paid more would not make much of a difference, it would just mean they'd get more, even if their salaries are tripled they would continue being corrupt.

We have had issues for longer than 40 years before Carlos Andres Perez and Caldera. The problem was that the politics were shared between two parties and that is why Cahvez got so popular. The thing is that the guy wadnt that bad at the beginning. Read the first constitution approved by this goverment, it was a very good one. He had a lot of pride and charisma but I think that teh power poisoned him.
our problem now is that he knows a lot of poeple dont like him and he is getting desperate giving arms to the people like that and buying votes. Why cannot he be smart and actually do something good? and stop giving so much money away to other countries? I dont understand that, the samaritan Chavez like we are some kind of charity.

You see, I dont like Fox News and all that lot because they do say a lot of bull#. I think the propaganda with Chavez is more twisted than you think. I think he is behind close doors a pro-American and I would be surpirsed that he actually there with the help of US so then the US comes in as CAptain America. I do really think it works like that.
Many people from goverment even go to Israel for training then he goes and talks bad about Israel.. Its all bull#. he is a puppet from the elite too. If he was so against America he would have closed down every Mcdonalds, Burger King, Disney store, and the thousands of franchises and stores in Venezuela that are from US.
Instead, he closes all national corporatives and companies.. that doesnt make any sense. Isnt he socialist? Pro-National goods and products? It doesnt make any sense.

Dont you think than in 10 years or so he could have done more? I do, Thats a long time in goverment. Look at Colombia and everything they have done with the FARC. Now poeple live okay in Bogota, even Venezuelans are going to Colombia to live. You know how many people per week? More than 300 get a visa! That is a massive amount.

No man, no puppet from US. You dont think we are tired of being in the shadows? We want a good country that is rick in oil, beautiful landscapes and beaches. We could be a very good, wealthy country with a lot of employment but instead our capital is the most dangerous city in the world

Completely, divide and conquer and that was Chavez. I have friends, who are now here and they have told me crazy stories baout that goverment. She was a very close person to the goverment one of the few corresponsals to get close to Chavez because he doesnt trust anyone. She also went out with a big person in the ministry. I cant say who.
Man, you should listen to her its crazy. That goverment is a big mafia. They ahve so much money. She used to fly every week to somewhere differnet for holidays, first class or private jets. They all do this. You should see. They dont have Bolivares, it is all in dollars, they like the green ones!

Its all a big farce. I just wan tto get rid of him to have a new face, come on. We need democracy, we need a new president every 4,5,6 max. every 10 years. How come he is going to stay for another 6 more? Thats a bit too much dont you think?

For me, It all went downhill when they discovered oil in 1914

reply to post by azulejo

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from what my friend pointed out about chavez was that though he tries to do good he's like Mr.Bean.He sticks his hands into things which he does not understand and thus mostly things backfire.Chavez is a clown and a moron though he does try to do good.This micromanaging like a moron leads to disastrous mismanagement of resources.

Hopefully Henrique can do better in managing resources. Hopefully any president of venezuala should be independent and not kissing rear of the West. Venezuala has largest oil reserve in the world and can be the richest if it plays its cards well.One excellent concept of chavez is to try unify latinos against the CIA and the US govt.Unity is strength after all.

A great article here:

Now another desperate Argentinean leader, President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, is rattling her toy sabre over Las Malvinas and accusing the British of being warmongering colonial imperialists, not least because Prince William has arrived on a six-week tour of duty as a helicopter rescue pilot. Argentina has even called its top football league the Belgrano. Presumably, at the end of the season, everybody goes down.

But the British have never made convincing warmongering colonial imperialists. If the residents of the Falklands decided that they want to become part of Argentina, the British would immediately agree, apologise profusely and make everyone a nice cup of tea.

Argentina, where they had military dictatorships and torture chambers when we had Duran Duran and Culture Club, can bluster and rant until all the cows on the Pampas come home.

But that just makes it even more unlikely that the Falkland Islanders will ever want to become Argentinean. It is Argentina, not Britain, that is behaving like warmongering colonial bullies.

Our history shows that the British know when it is time to go home. Our history also proves that you can never bomb, bully or blast the British into submission.

From Hitler to the IRA to General Galtieri to al-Qaeda, this is something our enemies always fail to grasp about the British.

And it means they do not know us at all.

www.mirror.co.uk...

Originally posted by Dark Vengeance

Originally posted by Rebzo
Let's be clear about one thing the Malvinas belong to Argentina . The British suffer from a severe inferiority complex....they lost their empire..they are a small wind blown island ...the only way they can get a sense of the old days of glory is when they suck up to America my country...that is why the world call them america's lapdog.

And remember without American help during the falkland war you would have lost. The malvinas will return to Argentina soon and u Brits should drop the posturing...we are not impressed.

What a crock of cobblers. It's seems to me that all the British bashers hide their nationality, And whilst I actually like some of our septic tank cousins lets not forget that they are far from perfect and hell bent in sticking their rather large hooters into a lot of other countries businesses.

The yanks did JS for the UK during the conflict. Except weep when WE sunk the USS Phoenix, oops sorry I meant the General Belgrano... Me bad.

We have the best trained armed forces in the world. So suck it up and wind your necks in

edit on 10/2/12 by Dark Vengeance because: (no reason given)

The United States was trying to be on paper neutral for the South American consumption, but the the military and Reagan's defense apparatus did support the British in the ways they could.

In 1982, the American base on Ascension Island – handily placed mid-way between Britain and the Falklands – was vital to the British Task Force. The fact it was made available to us may well have earned the American defence secretary, Caspar Weinberger, his honorary knighthood. Then again, his ability to quietly supply us with Sidewinder missiles might have helped, too.

Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk...

reply to post by mkgandhas

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that is so true! Some people say (I dont) that he has a big heart and a small brain To be a president definetely need more a brain than a heart, God's sake!

I support Chavez in two things: One, is the one you mentioned about the South American Alliances (ALBA, even though this one doesnt work and we are not part of Mercosur) and two, the inclusion of the indigenas tribes in the national assambly. Now, not you all get all warm-hearted because he included the Indigenas!

I hope Capriles wins because he doesnt have this mentally of war and getting involved in people's affairs. Chavez always need to have an opinion about everything.

But at the same time, Venezuela needed to go thorugh this because we then learn our priorities. We know we are a rich country, vast in minerals, landscapes, oil, etc. We can be very rich but the corruption has stopped the development of such.


We just hope that the best happens. I also think Cahvez needs to go because he has been in power for too long, since 1998. I think it is best to be president for max. 6 years and be re-elected once.

he changed this law. Before the period was 5 years, then he changed it to 6. Before, you could only elect a person twice for presidency in a row or not. Now "you can re-elected" as many times you want.


Something for insight, the opposition is electing their candidate tomorrow. The PSUV, Socialist Union venezuelan Party is not. May Chavistas (Chavez simpatizers, new word people!) are very annoyed by this because now they see thje difference. You are not re-electing Chavez, he is re-electing himself.

reply to post by LeBombDiggity

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hey dude not cool only reason we had the jerry's over here was because good old winston churchil ####ed us off.
and said and i quote: let them rot

reply to post by Justwork

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feeling some hate there my friend by any chance?
good job us inbreed scum can have a laugh ay.
where are you from then?

Originally posted by jerseychannelislands
reply to post by Justwork

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feeling some hate there my friend by any chance?
good job us inbreed scum can have a laugh ay.
where are you from then?

I'm not joking. You are a stain on our history, you colluded with the Nazis.

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