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Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by BBalazs
No -this isn't my high horse. This is the truth. There is absolutely not scintilla of evidence that smoking CAUSES lung cancer or that hfcs CAUSES diabetes.
But in both cases - a dollar figure has been developed purported to be a cost to the taxpayer in increased health care. A dollar figure that fully justifies taxing citizens to re-coup "costs".
The dollar figure makes the idea that HFCS CAUSES diabetes "real" - just like the dollar figure make the idea that smoking CAUSES lung cancer "real".
Now we know that smokers have been charged an arm and a leg in taxes. So this kind of statistical reasoning makes taxing of sugar inevitable without being discussed at all.
This is exactly how the marketing propaganda worked with smoking. This link will in fact demonstrate exactly how smoking is said to "CAUSE" 430,000 deaths per year. An idea that the public still does not realise that the 430,000 deaths are a theoretical construct. An idea that supported that charging of 20 billion dollar in "extra" costs to the taxpayer for the "psychological damage of premature deaths" - deaths that never actually occurred.
www.nycclash.com...
Tired of Control Freaks
Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by BBalazs
No -this isn't my high horse. This is the truth. There is absolutely not scintilla of evidence that smoking CAUSES lung cancer or that hfcs CAUSES diabetes.
But in both cases - a dollar figure has been developed purported to be a cost to the taxpayer in increased health care. A dollar figure that fully justifies taxing citizens to re-coup "costs".
The dollar figure makes the idea that HFCS CAUSES diabetes "real" - just like the dollar figure make the idea that smoking CAUSES lung cancer "real".
Now we know that smokers have been charged an arm and a leg in taxes. So this kind of statistical reasoning makes taxing of sugar inevitable without being discussed at all.
This is exactly how the marketing propaganda worked with smoking. This link will in fact demonstrate exactly how smoking is said to "CAUSE" 430,000 deaths per year. An idea that the public still does not realise that the 430,000 deaths are a theoretical construct. An idea that supported that charging of 20 billion dollar in "extra" costs to the taxpayer for the "psychological damage of premature deaths" - deaths that never actually occurred.
www.nycclash.com...
Tired of Control Freaks
Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by fulllotusqigong
No - I didn't not ask for generic studies and suppositions. You stated that HFCS CAUSES diabetes. Please provide the names of 3 people who developed diabetes as a direct consequence of HFCS.
What does diabetes caused by HFCS look like and how is it different than diabetes caused by genetics? By what biological pathway does this disease occur?
Don't give me epidimiology with studies that "suggest" that there may be a "link" and a possible "association"and opinions. Give me the names of 3 people who have diabetes as a direct result of HFCS and how it is known that this specific case of diabetes is different from other cases of diabetes so that we will know that HFCS caused those 3 specific cases of diabetes.
Tired of Control Freaks
Dr. Stephen W. Ponder , MD, FAAP, CDE is the director of the Childrens Diabetes and Endocrine Center of South Texas at Driscoll Children's Hospital. Dr. Ponder delivered his presentation on children and obesity, "Children of the Corn Syrup," as part of the Friday Science Lecture Series at Del Mar College on March 7, 2008.
Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by fulllotusqigong
The children are obese - agreed. Did you know that when the body is in a pre-diabetic state there is free-floating unused insulin in the blood stream that CAUSES fat to be stored on the belly. So are kids fat because of HFCS or because they ate too many calories or because there is a genetic cause of diabetes in the family.
You quoted a dollar figure of the cost of HFCS on the health care system. How was that dollar figure developed when it isn't even proven the HFCS CAUSES diabetes?
Tired of Control Freaks
Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by JohnPhoenix
I will stop quoting the 22 year SAMMEC figures when the anti-smoking zealots stop telling the public that smoking kills 430,000 per year.
Note both the date of the following article and the 7th paragraph
www.cspnet.com...
Tired of Control Freaks
There is absolutely not scintilla of evidence that smoking CAUSES lung cancer
Originally posted by TiredofControlFreaks
reply to post by fulllotusqigong
Fullotusgigong
I can go to a cancer ward, point to a lung cancer patient who smokes and say "see smoking CAUSES lung cancer". But I would be lying because the CAUSE of any specific case of lung cancer is UNKNOWN.
Your doctor took a bunch of fat kids, pointed to them and said "see HFCS CAUSES obesity". But since the CAUSES of obesity are poorly understood and since it is not possible to determine if the kid is fat because of genetics, over-feeding, lack of excise, hormonal disorders etc etc etc., your doctor is LYING!
Tired of Control Freaks
genetics loads the gun and the environment pulls the trigger
"one common pathway" -- the mouth.
Our environment really predisposes us to get the food we really don't need
We are over-feeding kids folks, right and left.
Don't be sucked in by that one.
What we're seeing now is a lot of grazing behavior in a lot of children
Don't drink the regular sodas.