Peoria police sergeant's photo prompts Secret Service probe

reply to post by theRhenn

What do you guys think?

Man, I dont know, but sounds like a case of bad judgement meets bad joke.
Would this guy be in any hot water if it was Bugs Bunny or Donald Duck or Roger Rabbit.on the shirt...now those guys are Famous Successful and made a lot of money

sounds like the only people that need to get real are the ones snooping on FaceBook.
This isn't Saudi Arabia where you go to chop chop square for talking bad about the government.
And we are not under the rule of King Henry 8th either. We left that country behind our sails back in 1605 and fought one hell of a war over it in the 1770's




OMG is somebody reading this,,,wearing a black suit and dark glasses?

reply to post by rebellender


That's all well and good - until you have a Columbine re-enactment amidst the President's campaign tour.

What are people going to say if that happens: "Where were the Secret Service?" "These kids were clearly displaying pathological behavior - why didn't anyone say something when the President was to appear?" "What are we spending $x.xx billion dollars on within the President's security budget?"

In this case - we have a clear incident where a violent situation can be prevented (even if the likelihood of it happening is somewhat low).

This is the correct action for the Secret Service to take - to investigate situations such as this. That doesn't mean they need to go around and make arrests or try to turn it into a case of terrorism (the public never hears about many of the cases the Secret Service investigates; not because they are classified per se, but because there is nothing sensational about them - there's no villain or hero to edit into the 15 second blurb it will get). They just need to see what is going on.

Is someone getting these kids riled up and ready to be little extremist nuts? It wouldn't have been too difficult to get me pumped up enough, eight years ago, to get me to do something with the belief I was a guiding force of history (or something that would appeal to my interests). Hell - look at how Obama got elected, in the first place. Hope and Change.

Redirected - a bunch of teens with guns could Hope to bring about Change in a little different manner.

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What Exactly Does "Making a Terrorist Threat" Mean? The crime of "making a terrorist threat" is a recent creation enacted at both the state and federal levels after the terrorist attacks of 9/11. It is a very general law that can be used to prosecute terrorists, but has been used far more often to prosecute situations involving domestic violence, hate crimes, bomb threats, and school violence. Indeed , in many states, the term "terrorist" has been amended to mean simply "criminal."

I am now a convicted terrorist under this law and other abridgements to my Freedoms....for what you say? A drunken argument in which both parties threatened another...we both got a felony..
That is the difference between opinion and threat...ABSOLUTELY NOTHING...
NDAA...FEMA...REX...PATRIOT ACT...WE HAVE NO FREEDOM...PERIOD.legal definition

Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
reply to post by theRhenn

 

What are you talking about free speech? This is beyond that. It is definitely an insinuation that crosses the line.
What if someone sent you a picture of you with bullet holes in it? You wouldn't feel threatened at all?

If someone did it to me, I would be hurt some because I would have no idea why someone would do that.

But... there would be nothing I could do about it. If I said something to warrant it, then sure.. no problem. I would actually be kinda flattered.

for the next responce, I do understand that the fella went a bit overboard. I just see this, all that is being done here, is a prelude to bigger things. I really do see the stupidity in his actions, Im just looking a lil deeper, in between the lines. With SOPA like actions being taken, i'm wondering just how far it's going to go.

Originally posted by ToneDeaf

Originally posted by theRhenn
we're not allowed to say a damn thing about a damn
thing anymore

Would it matter to you if he was christian, jewish or muslim ?;
or would you change the law again ?

btw there is a major difference between a
threat and an what constitutes as an opinion.
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Wouldnt matter one ounce to me.. I dont know if you're assuming I am racist towards religion or people, but know this.. I am neither.

If it were a terrorist cell or someone that could very well fit into that catagory, which I'm sure the FBI are doing to determin if this is the case, though obviously not, then that's a little diffrent. Nothing to do with religion or race, but to do with ideology. We're not talking about people wearing turbans getting on a plane, the people around them causing havok, because they dont want them on the plane.. . THATS racist.

Originally posted by Pervius
- President Obama said half the country is his enemy.....check.
-Congress gave the President authority to kill Americans without a trial...check
-Congress gave the President authority to detain Americans forever without a trial...check.


We may never see that Police Officer ever again.

Thanks for the responce. This is what I'm getting at.

"This guy did this! We must have this law now! This guy said this that caused this.. More laws!"

It just wont end!

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
This is not a freedom of speech issue. To even imply that shows a gross lack of understanding of that right by the OP.

How is this not a freedom of speech issue? Why would you attack me? Cant you have a civil, open discussion without personal jabs? Did I make any personal jabs to you to warrant this?

Originally posted by rebellender
reply to post by theRhenn

 

What do you guys think?

Man, I dont know, but sounds like a case of bad judgement meets bad joke.
Would this guy be in any hot water if it was Bugs Bunny or Donald Duck or Roger Rabbit.on the shirt...now those guys are Famous Successful and made a lot of money

sounds like the only people that need to get real are the ones snooping on FaceBook.
This isn't Saudi Arabia where you go to chop chop square for talking bad about the government.
And we are not under the rule of King Henry 8th either. We left that country behind our sails back in 1605 and fought one hell of a war over it in the 1770's




OMG is somebody reading this,,,wearing a black suit and dark glasses?

edit on 29-1-2012 by rebellender because: added content

Thanks for the responce! You and I are on the same page 100% here.

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That's all well and good - until you have a Columbine re-enactment amidst the President's campaign tour.

Woe hey wait just a minute. You have absolutely nothing but speculation and nothing really to substantiate your speculated claim. If you have grounds then the following are true also:
Jehovah is Satan
Chicken Little was correct the sky did fall
Vampires roam
Silver Bullets play hell with the warewolves
Worm holes exist from the LHC
I will reach 6ft some day though I am 50
They cured cancer 20 yrs ago but didnt tell anybody
Earthquake caused the Towers to fall
Santa will come to town today,tomorrow, and all next week

This can go on for ever and none will happen,,,care to refraze ?

reply to post by theRhenn

Thanks for the responce! You and I are on the same page 100% here.

No Problem.
People have to remember the the President is a Citizen (maybe,maybe not in this case) Same as any one of us. While he is very important we are equally critical to our surroundings. Ie a father-husband to his family and dito a mother-wife. A CEO to a corp. a teacher to students, and on and on and on.
Many weapons, some way more destructive than others, sit in homes all over the Fruited Plane. Some of those are loaded. Yeah, OMG that one!!! yet all is well with all of those, until Mental breakdown breads INTENT. Intent gets together with opportunity and what ever else happens in a sick and twisted mind and a person perpetrates a crime .

I think we have a case of a father who is a police officer who had some fun and confidence building got a little out of control. Yeah they all get 12 hours in front of bright lights and microphones and prove they are good citizens and mean no harm to them selves their community and the President of the United States.
Yeah, consequences for bad judgement OK, bet he never does it again.Bet he looses his job. But I dont sit in the Courts. Wonder if the ACLU will represent him? Hope so. Did he really commit a crime?

What if it was a flag of the United States that they shot up?

ok I guess I can let that one go now...

This deff isn't something new. I remember me pa telling me about a mentally retarded man in a state run facility he worked at writing a threatening letter to the president and being investigated by the secret service. Shortly after the president came to town and the state was bringing some of the mentally retarded clients to the parade. The secret service made this client stay at the state run facility for the duration of the presidents visit and they kept 24/7 watch on him. If they took the threat of a mentally retarded man who was unable to function outside of a 24/7 state run facility in the 80's seriously of course they will take this seriously.

Originally posted by theRhenn

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
This is not a freedom of speech issue. To even imply that shows a gross lack of understanding of that right by the OP.

How is this not a freedom of speech issue? Why would you attack me? Cant you have a civil, open discussion without personal jabs? Did I make any personal jabs to you to warrant this?

It wasn't an attack, it was the truth. If you think this is a free speech thing you need to do a little more research into constitutional law. It has nothing to do with free speech. Nor does getting fired from a job have anything to do with free speech.

And beyond that, free speech does not allow for the right to make tthreats against anothers life, which this is.

Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by theRhenn

Originally posted by captaintyinknots
This is not a freedom of speech issue. To even imply that shows a gross lack of understanding of that right by the OP.

How is this not a freedom of speech issue? Why would you attack me? Cant you have a civil, open discussion without personal jabs? Did I make any personal jabs to you to warrant this?

It wasn't an attack, it was the truth. If you think this is a free speech thing you need to do a little more research into constitutional law. It has nothing to do with free speech. Nor does getting fired from a job have anything to do with free speech.

And beyond that, free speech does not allow for the right to make tthreats against anothers life, which this is.

Point out exactly how this has nothing to do with free speach...

Yes, you did attack me.

No threats were made on anyone's life here.

I fail to see how it has.

reply to post by theRhenn


Its not a free speech issue for very simple reasons. he is free to say as he wishes. But he must also face the consequences of what he says.

Here's the dealemployees, even public ones, are employed by private parties. Those private parties have every right to restrict what employees say, while on the companies time, as well as the right to restrict the employee from saying anything that can reflect poorly on the company. It isn't illegal to say these things, but there is no law in place, and never will be, that says an employer has to employ you. He was a rep of his office, he brought bad press to that office. Cut and dry.involving children in it makes it even more clear.

Of course it will be treated as a threat. If I posted a picture online of myself wearing a shirt with a picture of your mother on it, riddled with bulletholes, would you consider that a threat? Furthermore, anytime any publicity is brought to killing the president, even in jest, OF COURSE it will be treated harshly.

And no, I didn't attack or insult you. I pointed out a fact. You are obviously not well versed in constitutional law, if you think free speech applies in this case. Its not a personal attack, and it is something that can be easily remedied, if you simply research precidence insuch cases.

reply to post by rebellender

Woe hey wait just a minute. You have absolutely nothing but speculation and nothing really to substantiate your speculated claim.

And you have nothing but speculation to back the claim they would do nothing.

If you walk into a store wearing a "Missouri Tigers" T-Shirt and see that the store owner has a "Missouri Tiger" with an ax through its head and he stares at you menacingly while running a blade over a whet-stone... are you going to presume it's just fine and dandy for you to waltz through that store without a care in the world?

Someone is only guilty of murder once three conditions have been met: A) you are dead B) they are caught C) a jury reaches unanimous agreement that they are guilty. Note your role.

Or, rather, are you going to let your kids go get some free candy from the panel van parked outside the play-ground?

Of course not. You have nothing but speculation to back your labeling of the man inside as a pedophile, but you're not going to let that talk you into letting your kids near him.

This can go on for ever and none will happen,,,care to refraze ?

'Phrase' is the root-word you are looking for; rephrase. The "..." is done with periods, not commas.

How can anyone be expected to show you more respect than you give your own posts?

It is the job of those in security to be on the look-out for potentially dangerous situations and to investigate/diffuse them. The point of the Secret Service is not to take the bullet for the President. It is to do everything within their power to keep a shot from being taken in the first place. You can't do that unless you are staying sharp and being proactive.

reply to post by Aim64C

If you walk into a store wearing a "Missouri Tigers" T-Shirt and see that the store owner has a "Missouri Tiger" with an ax through its head and he stares at you menacingly while running a blade over a whet-stone... are you going to presume it's just fine and dandy for you to waltz through that store without a care in the world?

you really want to do this tap dance?

If I walk into a pub in Corvallis Oregon and have my T-shirt on that has the Donald Duck Oregon Ducks Logo with a beaver tail hanging out of the bill of the duck and the caption on the shirt reads Chomp the Beavers, what does that insinuate about me.
1) I am crazy to go into their place,,,or
2) I like girls a lot,,,or
3) I like to have a good time and can give and take a joke
you are the Clairvoyant one here on this thread,,,you tell me what my whole Pub sequence means

p.s. thanks for the spelling lesson on the word phrase,,,never woulda made it through life,,,, thanks man, and say hi to Magda for me. She is the Tall girl with the full black hair and olive skin.Lives in the Greek district .
,,,does,,,this ,,,drive,,,you ,,,crazy,,,just,,,asking,,, get it,,,",,,"

This isn't Saudi Arabia where you go to chop chop square for talking bad about the government

No, but this is a government employee, behaving very badly towards their superior.

I guarantee you if someone in a corporation did this with a picture of their president or CEO they would be immediately fired.

reply to post by CB328

No, but this is a government employee, behaving very badly towards their superior.

what does he being a government employee have to do with anything.
Bad behavior towards his superior? I didnt catch that he was on duty.
He is guilty of Bad taste and Poor judgement...Period If Bad Taste and Poor Judgement get him fired its his loss. But don't make something out of what doesn't exist.
I spent 12 years working for 4 Presidents. I am qualified to make my statement.

reply to post by theRhenn


The problem is you think you have freedom.

When you work for a privately owned company you have no freedom of speech, or freedom of much at all. No voice, no way to address grievances.

This is why workers in the 1800's came up with the idea of socialism, so they could own the places they work at, so they could be free.

And that is why capitalists demonized socialism by associating it with totalitarian systems.