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posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 10:24 AM
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posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 11:43 AM
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Opinions very, Deny Ignorance. Calling people names makes who look stupid?



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 12:17 PM
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Originally posted by ANOK
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The problem is you think you have freedom.

When you work for a privately owned company you have no freedom of speech, or freedom of much at all. No voice, no way to address grievances.

This is why workers in the 1800's came up with the idea of socialism, so they could own the places they work at, so they could be free.

And that is why capitalists demonized socialism by associating it with totalitarian systems.


I know this, but here is the pickle..

If you're given free speach by the constitution, how can someone take it away from you? Even if you work for whoever... That right is given to you. How can someone legaly take it away? That makes about as much sense as a mud roof in rainy weather.

You have freedom of expression yet, I'm telling you that you dont. Who's right? The constitution or the people taking that right away from you?



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 01:37 PM
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Originally posted by theRhenn

Originally posted by ANOK
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The problem is you think you have freedom.

When you work for a privately owned company you have no freedom of speech, or freedom of much at all. No voice, no way to address grievances.

This is why workers in the 1800's came up with the idea of socialism, so they could own the places they work at, so they could be free.

And that is why capitalists demonized socialism by associating it with totalitarian systems.


I know this, but here is the pickle..

If you're given free speach by the constitution, how can someone take it away from you? Even if you work for whoever... That right is given to you. How can someone legaly take it away? That makes about as much sense as a mud roof in rainy weather.

You have freedom of expression yet, I'm telling you that you dont. Who's right? The constitution or the people taking that right away from you?


no one is taking it away, that is what you are missing here. People are free to say as they wish. There are consequences to some of the things you can say, however.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by rebellender
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Opinions very, Deny Ignorance. Calling people names makes who look stupid?


Vary. Opinions vary.

You get as much respect from me as you give your own use of the English language. I don't call people names - I describe their behavior and personality. You'll find I've very little sympathy or empathy for human trends. I call the trends for what they are; objectification of women, athlete worship, obfuscating the psychological aspects of sexual intimacy.

You attempt to hide behind this veil of perspective relativism; but the reality is that your examples and my own differ considerably - namely that my examples included a weapon along with displays of using such a weapon against a specified target. This resembles the issue at hand.

Your opinion is but a suggestion in reality.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 05:58 PM
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Originally posted by Aim64C

Originally posted by rebellender
reply to post by Aim64C
 


Opinions very, Deny Ignorance. Calling people names makes who look stupid?


Vary. Opinions vary.

You get as much respect from me as you give your own use of the English language. I don't call people names - I describe their behavior and personality. You'll find I've very little sympathy or empathy for human trends. I call the trends for what they are; objectification of women, athlete worship, obfuscating the psychological aspects of sexual intimacy.

You attempt to hide behind this veil of perspective relativism; but the reality is that your examples and my own differ considerably - namely that my examples included a weapon along with displays of using such a weapon against a specified target. This resembles the issue at hand.

Your opinion is but a suggestion in reality.


Thank,,,you,,,for,,,you're,,,opnion,,,its' ,,,valud,,, very,,,muche,,,K,,,,ritty den,,,lets go fishin

it just occurred to me you would have an issue with my position had I executed proper grammar.
My position stands, there are no Hypothetical's. No real crimes here and none against a POTUS or USA,
unless of course, you call the Grammar Police on me. GUILTY! suggestion for a sentence? I appeal to your humanity.
All those years you slept well, its a good thing the President wasn't paying me to SPELL
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posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 06:16 PM
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In this case - we have a clear incident where a violent situation can be prevented (even if the likelihood of it happening is somewhat low).


In this case, "comma" not "hyphen" we have a clear incident yadda yadda yadda
no spelling 911 just a nicely said "have a nice day"



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 06:17 PM
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Originally posted by theRhenn
If you're given free speach by the constitution, how can someone take it away from you? Even if you work for whoever... That right is given to you. How can someone legaly take it away? That makes about as much sense as a mud roof in rainy weather.


A private owner can make up their own rules as long as they don't break the law. It's not free-speech that they fire you for. They don't tell you you don't have free speech, but bad mouth the company and I don't think there is a law that says they can't fire you.


You have freedom of expression yet, I'm telling you that you dont. Who's right? The constitution or the people taking that right away from you?


Well it's people isn't it really? I mean you can't walk down the street acting like a flaming queen in Alabama and not risk getting lynched. That is people taking away your freedom of expression. No law says you can't do it.
We oppress ourselves with our prejudices and judgmentalism. This stunts society and makes people turn into clones of each other in order to not stand out and be different. People don't have character anymore, they don't really think for themselves because that can be dangerous to your social life.

Freedom is not something simply granted by an authority, it is the ability to be yourself without fear of being judged by others. This is what makes 'Christians' hypocrites when they judge gays, for example. The Bible warns about judging others right? But people don't think for themselves, they simply accept what is considered by the general consensus to be 'Christian', and in America, for example, it seems to mean to be right wing, self-righteous, and judgmental. Christians who think for themselves are not like that.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 08:18 PM
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My position stands, there are no Hypothetical's. No real crimes here and none against a POTUS or USA,


Is it a crime to walk into the local Martin Luther King Jr. Park (A good indicator you've entered the city slums... the man doesn't deserve to have his name slandered by the communities that seem to develop around anything named after him) wearing Swastikas and carrying shotguns?

No.

It's a crime to kill someone outside of self-defense (and some other circumstances - but they all involve some yahoo making a run for something that's going to kill or harm other people).

However - could one reasonably construe from the group's actions that they intend to provoke and/or carry through with hostile actions?

Yes.

Should the police dedicate a few units to making sure said group of Swastika-and-shotgun-loving individuals don't start re-enacting Resident Evil 5?

I certainly think so. So would most other people considered to be capable of rendering sound judgment.


unless of course, you call the Grammar Police on me. GUILTY! suggestion for a sentence? I appeal to your humanity.


It should be clear by now that I empathize more with robots than I do with "humanity." Unless you're female - appealing to my sense of it will not get very far in the slightest. Unless you like Lady Ga-Ga... That tends to be the universal indication that one lacks integrity.


All those years you slept well, its a good thing the President wasn't paying me to SPELL


Not sure why you're levying excuses in defense of something that is blatantly incorrect and sub-standard. That's active ignorance, my friend.

Most internet browsers have spell-check integrated into them. Some even have grammar checks.

However, I am also aware that this is ATS: a Zion for ignorance.


In this case, "comma" not "hyphen" we have a clear incident yadda yadda yadda
no spelling 911 just a nicely said "have a nice day"


There are plenty of situations where a dash and/or en dash can be used in place of other punctuation marks. They are often used to communicate that something is 'within' the topic, or a tangent to it. This is consistent with comma usage.

I informally use the 'hyphen' as a short-hand for the 'dash,' and to break the monotony of comma usage.

www.columbia.edu...

My use of it is not explicitly correct, but consistent with its purpose in other uses deemed to be correct.

Would you like to try a different angle? I would direct you toward a subject I'm weak in... but that doesn't really exist, so I'm not sure how to help you.



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 10:54 PM
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Dude,,,seriously,,,you got issues.
end of discussion !



posted on Jan, 30 2012 @ 11:27 PM
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Dude,,,seriously,,,you got issues.


A curious accusation, considering the company you're in.


end of discussion !


Here is where we enter subjective reality. In your reality, you've made some epic point and told me how I have issues and don't think like a normal person does.

In my reality, another critter has keenly observed that I am not quite like them, and that I don't quite fit in; as though I've somehow not been alerted to this little fact of life already. Said critter attempts to explain how; since nothing bad did happen; investigations into situations that can be interpreted as threats are unnecessary. I point out the fallacious argument that attempts to judge via hindsight; and the critter continues to point out how I'm just not quite like the rest of the herd.

In my reality, there wasn't a discussion; simply a failure to instruct an unwilling creature.

I've just gotten used to talking to the wildlife. It's a strange and silly habit - but I suppose it's just as fun to wonder just how much they think... or if I'm just projecting my own sense of intelligence onto their actions. Of course, you know this is taken to the extremes when you are talking to your own forum post.... That's when you know it's time to quit... or write another paragraph about the logic and/or irony behind telling yourself to stop typing. Six pages later, you still haven't stopped.

Yeah... I'm going to be fun when I'm 80 and senile (as though I'm not already).



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