What Kind of Christianity Is This?

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How many did you feed today, you who are better than people that believe in God. Screw belief, who do you feed, where is your love. Love others and let me do the same.

Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by mileysubet

 

How many did you feed today, you who are better than people that believe in God. Screw belief, who do you feed, where is your love. Love others and let me do the same.

As I said I have only fed one person today, but I hope that is enough.

As one becomes many, you may find your way through them.

Originally posted by predator0187
But, as we all know it, the catholic religion is closer to Satan than it is away from it.

Any thoughts?

Yes, two that are pertinent.

1) Why is this in CiR? When did the Conspiracy in Religions forum become 'Religions Suck' forum? Why isn't this in Rants or Faith and Spirituality?

From the header at the top of this very thread: 'This forum is not for the general discussion of religious topics.'
From the stickied thread of a monitor at the top of the CiR forum: 'The specific focus here is conspiracies in religion. Posts that begin a new thread should reflect some sort of conspiracy angle.'

2) Your comment about Catholicism is childish, wrong and puerile.

Eric

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This thread is about the fact that Christianity claims to be for the good and follows Christ but yet does nothing for good. It is about how the idea has changed and become interpreted wrong along the lines, in other words a conspiracy as no one is quite sure what has happened.

This is not a rant, I had an article and expressed my opinion, that us what you do when a thread starts, I know I have started a few...

Pred...

Originally posted by AQuestion
reply to post by predator0187

"Preach" was just a word, I speak, I do that all the time; but, when I speak about the bible it is commonly referred to as "preaching". Funny thing, I don't tell people what to do so I guess technically, I am not preaching. To tell the truth, I use the Socratic method, I have a doctorate in law. I ask questions, ergo my screen name, I am willing for them to be involved in the dialectic rather than follow. As for how I live my life, I have been with one woman in 52 years, I have taken in the homeless, dedicated my life to public service and feeding those who are hungry. I tell you what, for $125 dollars a month you can buy a truckload of food and do the same wherever you live. Line up the Atheists and tell the same so that they know how to feed everyone even the Christians. Peace.

I do not understand why a persons faith is so important. Why you must read from a book that has been responsible for plenty of deaths and spews hated like no other. Yes, you might not have hatred in you, but the book you read, follow and discuss with others is full of it.

How does it make you better to be one of the 1 billion people who believe in your specific fictitious character watching you from the skies? It doesn't.

Your telling me, you are simply doing what you are doing for God? That is your faith in a creator ceased to exist you would lose this compassion? Doubtful.

See, that's what I hate about religion, it takes power away from people. If you are a good person it doesn't matter if you have a god. Your god has only existed for 2000 or so years, before that there were plenty of others gods and yet you can probably look back at the Greeks like they were crazy to believe in the amount of gods they did, if you don't, according to your god, you're going to hell, so what is the difference?

We are all born atheists, it is not until we are brainwashed to believe in fairy tales that the possibility of god happens.

What is funny about all religions, is that most people in their rational minds would never believe such drivel. Religion just knows humans weaknesses, like death. We all want to be immortal, or to know that we get to see our loved ones when we die, but, what people need to realize is no one knows. Not you, not your preacher, bishop or pope. They know nothing, yet they sell something that no one un the world possesses and there are lots of weak people that buy it.

Sure we would all like the answers to life greatest questions, but be honest with yourself, no one knows jack.

We are all in the dark...face it. Sure it could be nothing when we die, but, if you knew that would you try to make as much of this life as possible rather than relying on your next life with god?

Gods a sham, it's a way to keep us docile because we have eternity in the clouds to enjoy our lives...

Pred...

My take on modern day Christianity holds the belief that it was a tool used by Rome to stay in power when it was losing control of its military might.

This is how Christianity begins. It very rapidly turns into something different. What began as a kind of ratter-tag assembly of followers of a holy man turns into what we might call a Jewish sect, a group of Jews which now has interpreted the life, teachings and death of its holy man somehow as having cosmic significance, as having meaning for all time, not just for the specific moment, but somehow affecting God's relationship with the Jews and ultimately with the whole world. ... This then is a Jewish sect or a Jewish school, which you might say is the next stage in the development. Read more: www.pbs.org...

Now this next Jewish school or "sect" was the school of James (Jesus's brother). Now Paul(who was a cousin of Emperor Herod) was a disciple at the school, and after being banned for not teaching the true word of Jesus, he attempted to murder James.
Custodians of Truth by Tim Wallace-Murphy and Marilyn Hopkins reads on page 78

Paul Physically assulted James and tried to murder him. James was thrown headlong down the steps of the temple an broke his legs. This Attempted murder is recorded in the Pseudo-Clementin Recognitions.. the Anabathmoi Jacobou, or the ascent of Jacob. The most scholarly and conclusive study of these events can be found in Robert Eisenman's master work, James the Brother of Jesus

Now we know that after this Paul headed towards Rome. It is my belief that Paul(out of his jealousy) started teaching his version of the way he thought things should be.

By the 50 AD, a Christian community had developed in Rome.

www.classicsunveiled.com...

The message of Christianity was spread around the Roman Empire by St. Paul who founded Christian churches in Asia Minor and Greece. Eventually, he took his teachings to Rome itself.

www.historylearningsite.co.uk...

Now with this idea of Christianity instilled within the people of Rome come the one's who wish to exploit those idea's. Throughout Greek and Roman religious history there has been many different "cults" that appear and disappear (not quite as fast as the next justin bieber song). These cults were considered to be money makers, as the more "potent your poison" the more people you could attract, and the more you could charge at the door.
As for cause and effect the more popular Christianity became the more people wished to exploit it.

Now Constantine converted to Christianity because

His conversion happened during a war against his brother-in-law and co-emperor, Maxentius. According to the historian Eusebius (see Eusebius Pamphilus ), bishop of Caesarea in Palestine, before the crucial battle of Milvian Bridge, Constantine was convinced that he needed divine assistance. While he was praying for such assistance, God sent him a vision of a cross of light at midday, bearing the inscription "in hoc signo vinces " ("in this sign you will be victorious"). That night he had a dream that reaffirmed his earlier vision. God told him to use the sign he had been given as a safeguard in all of his battles. Thus, Constantine converted to Christianity and ordered the symbol of his Savior's name (the intersection of the Greek letter chi and rho) to represent his army.

Now we know that Rome was starting to decline in military strength around the time of Constantine. I think he saw the decline of the Roman empire over the next couple hundred years and wanted a way to solidify Rome's control over the known world. I believe that Constantine declaring Christianity the Empire's Religion was his way of trying to assert a long standing reign for Rome. To bad he didn't know what kind of Demon he unleashed in the world.

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Dear predator0187,

So many words, so little action. You did not answer, how many do you feed. Do not waste your time telling me how correct you are, how much you understand, tell me how many you feed or you are nothing except selfish and self-serving. Do not tell me about others wrongs, tell me what you do right. How many people do you feed?

Agreed. I do refer to god though too and he is fictitious as well

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I compare myself to a free thinker ..like Einstein and Sagan.

Its funny though, because I for one do not think they dismissed God as being fictitious. They were able to admit they do not KNOW whether or not he/it/they exists. They did not believe in some long bearded man sitting on a throne waiting to judge people...no....they believed in the Universe and the Laws that govern it.

Sagan even spoke of the Atheist:

Despite his criticism of religion, Sagan denied that he was an atheist, saying "An atheist has to know a lot more than I know. An atheist is someone who knows there is no god. By some definitions atheism is very stupid."[42] In reply to a question in 1996 about his religious beliefs, Sagan answered, "I'm agnostic."[43] Sagan's views on religion have been interpreted as a form of pantheism comparable to Einstein's belief in Spinoza's God.[44] Sagan maintained that the idea of a creator of the universe was difficult to prove or disprove and that the only conceivable scientific discovery that could challenge it would be an infinitely old universe.[

en.wikipedia.org...

Atheism is now considered a Religion. When you get a group of like minded people...they become identified as a gang, religion, or a cult. It just happens.

45 Steps to the End Time Beast of Communism as found in the 1963 Congressional Record of  "Current Communist Goals,"

Step 17. Get control of the schools. Use them as transmission belts for socialism and current Communist propaganda. Soften the curriculum. Get control of teachers' associations. Put the party line in textbooks.

Step 24. Eliminate all laws governing obscenity by calling them "censorship" and a violation of free speech and free press.

Step 25. Break down cultural standards of morality by promoting pornography and obscenity in books, magazines, motion pictures, radio, and TV.

Step 26. Present homosexuality, degeneracy and promiscuity as "normal, natural, healthy."

Step 27. Infiltrate the churches and replace revealed religion with "social" religion. Discredit the Bible and emphasize the need for intellectual maturity, which does not need a "religious crutch." 
(How many on ATS alone keep using these words, thinking that they are the sign of a free thinker?)

Step 28. Eliminate prayer or any phase of religious expression in the schools on the ground that it violates the principle of "separation of church and state."

Step 40. Discredit the family as an institution. Encourage promiscuity and easy divorce.
 
Step 41. Emphasize the need to raise children away from the negative influence of parents. Attribute prejudices, mental blocks and retarding of children to suppressive influence of parents. 
(How many people on ATS now state that Christianity and Biblical morality is child-abuse?)


My point is this: Communism, the End-Time Beast, was created by the Synagogue of Satan, those that call themselves Jews, but are not. What supposed group owns all banking, Hollywood that feeds us propaganda, publishing companies that produce our text books and popular fiction, the founders of all secret societies, the founders of communism and Marxism etc? If one carefully considers all of the above steps, we can identify where many beliefs come from. I don't understand, in face of the evidence, how anyone can consider themselves a "free thinker" in slamming any particular group when their own beliefs have been drip fed them through IVs of propaganda by Satan - whose end time government, communism or a variant there-of, is fast becoming a reality.

In the End Times, Satan comes against Israel. But what's been hidden from most, is that true Christians are Israel, not a Jewish nation today. And that my friends, is why we are being targeted, why Satan has removed a belief in God from you and done everything possible for you to not turn to Jesus. God promised to write His laws in the hearts of His chosen and in the hearts of their descendants. That's us. That's why we as a society are encouraged to clap along as we watch our morals be thrown out the window in favour of an ideology promoted as "free thinkers". My butt. How is the slaughter of 55 million babies a free society? How is drug addiction, crime, lawlessness, sexual practices now grounds for marriage, disrespectful kids etc "free thinking"? You have been brainwashed, through propaganda, to disobey God and those laws written in many of your hearts. WHY? 

"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God."

It's a terrible tragedy that this thread contains so many casually written comments in support of the above steps to communism, the End Time Satanic Beast. And it's a terrible tragedy that Jesus tells us in Revelation that He allows false doctrine to flood the churches, to further separate the wheat from the tares. This thread is not balanced, for it concentrates on the propaganda used by Satan and given to you by the "Synagogue of Satan" owned media. It does not even contemplate that the Catholic Church inquisition was implemented to eradicate the false "Jews" from the Church itself for they knew exactly what was happening. But, it failed. And now we have a billion member Church that worships idols, supports communism and a one world government. We also have churches that spout Godless doctrines that ruin the souls of millions and keeps  atheists believing that the public Christianity that they see is representative of the Word, Jesus Christ. Which it is most definitely not.

Consider this; 
The number of the Beast's name is 666.
6 is the Biblical number of man.
3 is completeness or perfection.
666 is the ideology of complete or perfect man without God. 

God has been taken from you because Satan has his role of adversary to fulfil. Don't go along, don't throw eternal life and the Truth away because you have grown attached to this world. All the pleasures that you enjoy today will be gone when the Beast is implemented, and that propaganda that has so entrenched your heart against all Christians, whether true or heretic, will be used to slaughter not only the children of God but your very own souls. Do you really think atheists stand a chance? 

God is there, waiting for you to approach for the Truth. 

"When I fed them, they were satisfied; when they were satisfied, they became proud;
then they forgot me."

"O ye sons of men, how long shall my glory be turned into dishonor? How long will ye love vanity, and seek after falsehood? "

"The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved."

"And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness".

Originally posted by predator0187
reply to post by QUANTUMGR4V17Y

 

If you choose to support organized religion than you support the hatred and heinous crimes they commit.

Being spiritual or whatever you want to call it, like believing in a higher power, is not what I am talking about. I am talking about the people that think that a jealous god who hates all that do not believe in him should die. Or a god that believes gays should burn but yet owning slaves is okay.

Pred...

I call B.S.
You are soooooo biased you cannot see the forest for the trees.
You simply fall for the bait and switch techniques used for centuries and millenia.
You cannot drum up recent examples for your witch hunt so you paint a wide brush using poor examples of past offenses by CULTS to support your pre-suppositions.

I will use this to instruct and reprove you ujsing religion.
All wars are fought for money and power and the divide and conquer mode of operation is used even to this day BLAMING the people through religion.
The Bible tells us the truth that the root of all evil is the love of money.
It's not money that is the problem but the love of it.This country was guarded against roman catholicism for a few centuries after the war of independance and until jfk a catholic pres. was anathema for the American religious peoples.
Since then it has been down hill for the righteous and a boon to those like yourself as you get to call Christians "catholics" to paint with that broad brush you weild without thought.
To be honest, you are one of the most religious people on ats.
Every war for centuries has been about the love of money.
It is all about international commerce and only the usefull idiots think it's been about religion.
What you think you know about religion is actually your ignorance in what the East India trading Co. was and has become. You are theri usefull idiot.
And you do it by blaming the people who have been enslaved by the Co. through their spiritual beliefs. Pretty easy thing to do, as long as their is enough usefull idiots to spin the blame from the Co. to the people that could not enact a religious law to replace a law of commerce if their life depended on it.

Dude, it's all about commerce.
Wake the......up. Your obsession in blaming your neighbor is worrisome for us that have a clue.

Originally posted by predator0187
If you studied or looked at jesus' teachings you would know Christianity has nothing to do with him or his thoughts.

You mean fundamentalist Christianity. Christianity is simply following Christ's teachings. Religion does not equal Christianity. Religion equals fundamentalist Christianity, which is not Christianity at all but something malevolent. If you go back to the quotes you posted in the OP you'll find that even the author of those quotes makes that distinction.

Originally posted by predator0187
It's funny the man who hated religion and hated churches is being used in both of those to support them both.

Funny, hey?

No, there's nothing funny about it at all. Organized religion has done more to drive people away from God and Jesus than Satan has ever done.

Originally posted by predator0187So Christians cannot say they follow the word of Jesus when they are in direct contradiction to what he says in their 'holy book', you can say you follow the hateful and vengeful god of your bible.

God by definition is loving and gracious, not hateful and vengeful. A hateful and vengeful God is not God at all, but something else entirely (Satan, etc.) Clearly Jesus did not teach that God is hateful and vengeful, so one must conclude that whatever hateful acts from the OT that were attributed to God were done so incorrectly (the Bible was written by men after all, and men like to justify their actions).

So I follow God, and I follow Jesus, and by definition that makes me a Christian. But I am part of the 1% of poeple who call themselves Christians who follow Christ rather than religion. It should be a dead giveaway to you that anyone that condemns another whether it's for homosexuality, athiesm, etc. is not a true Christian, but rather, a religionist. Christ warned us over and over again about such people, and said to avoid them.

Luke 21:8
He replied: “Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them.

The problem with religion is its stratified nature, the outlandish actions of a few often become a focal viewpoint for outside viewers. Extremists, ignorance and irrationality plague all religions, we must remember that these traits may not reflect the opinions of the religion. A problem with religious people are their individualistic interpretations of their religious stories.However I do admire followers of religion, purely for their un-denying faith in something so profound, it cannot be explained.

It should be noted that I am atheist, even though I attended a school which strongly followed both the: Catholic and Anglican sects of Christianity.

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"Though founded by a pacifist?"

Is that ever an over-simplification!

That so-called "pacifist" promised to return with His army of Holy Angels and to do battle at that time. To have a strategy not to fight at any given moment is hardly pacifism.

For that matter- nothing was "founded" by Christ-- it is an ("the" some would say) authentic faith and practice of the already existent Jewish/Hebrew faith.

From the lips of that "pacifist" came, "I come not to bring peace, but the sword." In another place, He provides an ethic to be followed by a Roman army officer when following military orders.

Now....

I take your point that there is nothing in the Christian faith which allows-- much less dictates-- going to battle as an aggressor for the faith. However, and at the same time, there is nothing in Christian doctrine which prohibits going to war on behalf of the State.

The problem has always been when States and religions have co-opted one another for a common cause.

All of the examples given regard just that mixture-- State and faith.

The Christian faith (and the present Jewish faith as two of the examples provided in the OP), by itself, is, at worst, benign.

There is a strong argument that the Islamic faith is violently aggressive by Scriptural Decree-- just as the early Jewish faith once had in its early history. A significant difference is that the Hebrew conquests were specifically limited to historical one-time circumstances-- and not as an expected practice of the religion. The Muslim scripture, on the other hand, does suggest violence against non-believers as an open-ended (on going) practice of the faith..

If you choose to excuse the State but not the faith; or, if you choose to believe that the states are historically non-violent if it were not for religion-- than you choose to live a delusional reality. If that is so, then the discussion cannot be furthered by either reason or history.

Originally posted by predator0187
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I fell bad for religious people because they believe in some fantasy person who watches over them and actually gives a crap about them. They are too self-centered to actually face the fact that they mean nothing. Really we all do.

So, you believe your lack of experience with God is of greater value than the experience others have had?

I believe you were about to accuse the religious of having an exaggerated sense of worth?

But, as we all know it, the catholic religion is closer to Satan than it is away from it. With all the molestation charges and the rape accusations, it is a wonder why there are even followers of that faith anymore. To support them week after week and to donate to them you are saying it is all right for them to do what they want to do.

You don't believe in the spiritual Reality but mention how close a religion is to Satan? I dare you to find your way out out of that inconsistency!

I also dare you to find a profession which has access to children with a different child predatory rate than that of Catholic Priests. Look it up. Scout leaders, Day Camp Counselors, Doctors, Coaches, School Teachers, and so on. Child predators go into those careers or professions so as to have access to their prey-- NOT as a result of the teachings of the profession (duh!).

The Catholic Church (and the Boy Scouts) are particularly singled out not because of the prevalence of child molesters, but because each of those organizations attempted to cover up the problem.

The Catholic Church went one step further, arrogantly believing that they could "heal" a child predator combined with the (also arrogant) belief of a short-lived (1950's and 1960's) teaching that Priests did not sin.

The Catholic Churches where I live are busting at the seams-- so full are they-- and the Priests are overwhelmed to the point that there is a severe clergy shortage. Your assertion to the contrary is unsupportable by facts.

The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing. And that is what the religious people are doing while they preach people who do not believe in the same god as them will burn in hell for eternity. Geez, those sound like loving people...

Any thoughts?

Pred...

You say "good" and "evil," but not "good and bad." That is intriguing, since "evil" usually connotes a spiritual valuation.

None the less, your argument, here, demonstrates a perception that religion is about law, and an utter unfamiliarity with spiritual teachings, practices, and theory-- not only of religion, but of cultures throughout history and throughout the globe.

I despise the forms of religion which seek to dictate to or threaten others into conformity-- they, too, demonstrate an ignorance of God, of the spiritual Reality in which we live, and of which all humans are, by nature.

Since you do the same-- I cannot distinguish them from you except how you identify yourself. Is that for good or is that for evil that you, too, see those who believe differently than you as less than you?

Originally posted by Frira

So, you believe your lack of experience with God is of greater value than the experience others have had?

I believe you were about to accuse the religious of having an exaggerated sense of worth?

I was raised catholic, baptized, went through the steps and went catholic school, it wasn't until I looked into what religion is and read their holy book that I became an atheist.

When you see what catholicism has put hamanity through, the amount it has held back advancement through science and the amount of lives it has taken simply because others have different beliefs you start to get a different picture of this so called 'loving religion'.

You don't believe in the spiritual Reality but mention how close a religion is to Satan? I dare you to find your way out out of that inconsistency!

I also dare you to find a profession which has access to children with a different child predatory rate than that of Catholic Priests. Look it up. Scout leaders, Day Camp Counselors, Doctors, Coaches, School Teachers, and so on. Child predators go into those careers or professions so as to have access to their prey-- NOT as a result of the teachings of the profession (duh!).

The Catholic Church (and the Boy Scouts) are particularly singled out not because of the prevalence of child molesters, but because each of those organizations attempted to cover up the problem.

The Catholic Church went one step further, arrogantly believing that they could "heal" a child predator combined with the (also arrogant) belief of a short-lived (1950's and 1960's) teaching that Priests did not sin.

The Catholic Churches where I live are busting at the seams-- so full are they-- and the Priests are overwhelmed to the point that there is a severe clergy shortage. Your assertion to the contrary is unsupportable by facts.

Facts from whom? You? Look at the numbers, religion is dwindling. Some people think like I do and understand by attending church and giving them money their support heinous crimes.

I will admit there are pedophiles in lots of places in society, but nowhere covers their tracks or pretends like nothing is wrong quite like the catholic church. The fact that they know something is wrong and children are being molested and then move the priest to another parish to have access to all new kids is a criminal act.

Anybody else would be a convicted criminal, but not anybody to do with the catholic church as they are somehow above the law.

You say "good" and "evil," but not "good and bad." That is intriguing, since "evil" usually connotes a spiritual valuation.

None the less, your argument, here, demonstrates a perception that religion is about law, and an utter unfamiliarity with spiritual teachings, practices, and theory-- not only of religion, but of cultures throughout history and throughout the globe.

I despise the forms of religion which seek to dictate to or threaten others into conformity-- they, too, demonstrate an ignorance of God, of the spiritual Reality in which we live, and of which all humans are, by nature.

Since you do the same-- I cannot distinguish them from you except how you identify yourself. Is that for good or is that for evil that you, too, see those who believe differently than you as less than you?

I do not believe in good and evil. Just because I say them in a sentence does not all of a sudden chance my spiritual stance, sometimes I say 'goddammit' does that mean I have to believe in god to say it? No.

To me good and evil is just simply educated and ignorant. People that commit acts of evil are just simply ignorant, whether they simply do not understand they are hurting others by their actions or simply don't understand the fact that the world was not put here for their amusement. Educated people understand that when they something to hurt somebody, it's their fault. They feel bad and try nt to repeat the same action again.

I also never said I think people that believe in god are less than me, you can hit me with all that nonsense but to me the only thing different between me and a religious follower is some education. Once you look at the catholic church subjectively the cards crumble and all thats left is the foundation of hate.

Pred...

Originally posted by SavedOne
God by definition is loving and gracious, not hateful and vengeful. A hateful and vengeful God is not God at all, but something else entirely (Satan, etc.) Clearly Jesus did not teach that God is hateful and vengeful, so one must conclude that whatever hateful acts from the OT that were attributed to God were done so incorrectly (the Bible was written by men after all, and men like to justify their actions).

Luke 21:8
He replied: “Watch out that you are not deceived. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am he,’ and, ‘The time is near.’ Do not follow them.

Do not think that I have come to bring peace on earth; I have not come to bring peace, but with a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man's foes will be those of his own household. He who loves father or mother more than me is not worthy. (Matthew 10:34-37)

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Do you think I have come to give peace on earth? No, I tell you, but rather division; for henceforth in one house there will be five divided, three against two and two against three; they will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. (Luke 12:51-53)

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...the women should keep silence in the churches. For they are not permitted to speak, but should be subordinate, as even the law says. If there is anything they desire to know, let them ask their husbands at home. For it is shameful for a woman to speak in church. (1 Corinthians 14:34-35)

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If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple. (Luke 14:26)

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Well that must be the loving part of god, right?

The bible shows how evil god is, I mean really, he kills millions of people and 'Satan' kills 2, I am happy he is so loving.

Think about it, if you so much as think about another persons god, you should be punished with death.

God is not loving...he is a jealous, vengeful god.

Pred...

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I am an atheist in that I do not believe in any of the god that these people have invented. No god that has been talked about is real.

Now is there another dimension or a higher consciousness out there? Who knows? Sure it could be possible and I do not deny it. There are so many possibilities of what is out there, and it can't be anything that people have invented with our little jaded minds, for if it is, I would rather not believe in it and just fade to blackness...

I do not want a vengeful, hateful being to be the judge or in control of my eternity. Read my sig.

Pred...

at it's very basic faith is motivation to live and a guideline on how to live your life as a "good person", i ask you.. what is so bad about that? i agree that organized religion is as bad or worse than any mafia family but what exactly motivates an agnostic atheist? as a religious person myself i sometimes try to look at life in you/their perspective and i gotta say that with all the ups and downs in my life i've had thus far i would have eaten a bullet years ago. my struggle at least gives me something to look forward to i definitely do not use it as a crutch or tool in any way, my faith is unshakable from many experiences i believe to have miracles and not just in others lives but my own as well. my job as a religious person is to talk about my experiences, when possible, in the hope that anyone "on the fence" or just plain against the fact that "He" really exists will at least consider it as i will listen to you and your belief. no one will ever know the truth of who's right or wrong until that fateful day when we expire. my faith is strong not because i'm looking forward to the reward but as a person i treat you as i'd hope you'd treat me. no tolerance for anyone who doesn't believe as you do is what's wrong with the world anyway there's no need for name calling, one persons belief's aren't superior to another's but it goes on everyday. it's kinda like all the abortion topics that's been made the last few days or week.. take in all the information you can then decide for yourself, no one lives your life so why let anyone else make your decisions.

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A Christian and a pacifist here. I don't judge atheists by looking to Stalin, please don't judge Christianity by looking at anyone other than Jesus.

Hm,

But those my enemies, who would not that I should reign over them, bring here, and slay them before me

Seems like you godman was as equally repugnant as Stalin, let's not forget an eternity of torture for those that don't kiss his butt.

Last but not least as jesus (the one that appears in the bibles) is claimed to be one and the same being as yahwhe , then it goes without saying that he is one sick sadistic murdering homophobic misogynistic psychotic bigoted monster .

Pacifist ? why do xtians spend so much time on the holy road of ignorance and downright stupidity ?

reply to post by WhoKnows100

The number of the Beast's name is 666.

Actually that is incorrect, if you use the ARTS search facility you will find several instance of this being discussed. All that woo woo about beastly numbers bar codes and magik went out the window a while back my friend.