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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by DenyObfuscation
It is not the only exception. Killing biologically still alive but braindead people (for example after a stroke) is also lawful (thats where organs for transplantation come from), even killing some not completely braindead but vegetative people was deemed lawful (Terry Schiavo).
Its obvious that the intent of the law is in fact the protection of the mind, which makes us persons, and not mindless humans, even if alive in the strict biological sense. Otherwise all braindead patients would have to be cared about until complete necrosis, and organ transplantations would be illegal.
Embryos are mindless humans too.
Do you not see a huge difference in stopping efforts to keep someone alive and actively killing someone?
If someone would have shot Terry Schiavo in the head...they would have been convicted of murder.
Your logic is way off.edit on 3-2-2012 by OutKast Searcher because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by DenyObfuscation
An exception to protecting all human life.
Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
And in fact, taking organs of a biologically alive but braindead human is ACTIVELY killing him, not just letting die. So unless you want to ban transplantations, you are OK with actively killing humans without mind.
Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
reply to post by Maslo
Is it logical to you that a building under construction be condemned on the basis that it is not yet complete? Maybe this will help you see things a little more clearly?
Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
Originally posted by Maslo
reply to post by OutKast Searcher
And in fact, taking organs of a biologically alive but braindead human is ACTIVELY killing him, not just letting die. So unless you want to ban transplantations, you are OK with actively killing humans without mind.
The difference between this and abortion is consent.
In donors...they have previously consented that if they are brain dead then their organs can be harvested. A fetus never has that chance.
Keep on spinning in circles though...it's amusing.
The difference between this and abortion is consent. In donors...they have previously consented that if they are brain dead then their organs can be harvested.
If someone would have shot Terry Schiavo in the head...they would have been convicted of murder.
Originally posted by Maslo
Originally posted by DenyObfuscation
reply to post by Maslo
Is it logical to you that a building under construction be condemned on the basis that it is not yet complete? Maybe this will help you see things a little more clearly?
Yes. Or do you think building under construction should be regarded as completed building, even when it clearly is not?
And what exactly is "building under construction"? When does potential begin? Why at conception? All gametes also have a potential. Should they be protected as persons?
reply to post by Maslo
Except that baby in the womb is not a person, or "someone". It is someTHING, until the brain develops. Things dont have rights.
Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
reply to post by Maslo
Except that baby in the womb is not a person, or "someone". It is someTHING, until the brain develops. Things dont have rights.
What do you think it is, a pet rock?
Of course, it is a person, a human, in an early stage of development. The fact that after a certain point, a fetus can live outside the body, proves it. The only difference is that it gets its nourishment through the mother's umbilical chord. It can react to noise outside the womb, and other stimuli. Those that deny that it is a human, are only rationalizing, so that they can then commit murder.
Yes, abortion is murder, regardless of what you say.
Hitler said that Jews were not human, so that he and his henchmen could justify murder. Do you believe that Jews are not human? I hope you don't. It is no different today. Abortionists and Nazis are both murderers of humans. Period.
The only difference is that it gets its nourishment through the mother's umbilical chord.
It can react to noise outside the womb, and other stimuli.
Originally posted by Barcs
I believe in freedom so it's pretty easy actually. If you believe abortion is bad, here's what you do. Don't have one. It's that simple. People who support freedom of choice aren't forcing you to get abortions, in fact as long as you adhere to your beliefs, it shouldn't affect you in the least. At least respect the fact the other people do not share the same religious beliefs as you, which is the only reason you consider it wrong. There is no objective evidence whatsoever to suggest a soul, afterlife or any of that even exists. Don't cram your beliefs down other people's throats.edit on 9-2-2012 by Barcs because: (no reason given)