Fake Earth illusion - footage from Apollo 11, 1969

Lets look at it like this. They said that someone sent them the video by mistake. Look, it wasn't a mistake. Someone in NASA got a conscience and decided to be a whistle blower and leak the footage to the people that were doing the hoax video. That way it would make for the most damning evidence of there documentary.

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id flag that if i could so i gave you a star

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Maybe they lost the footage due to radiation and had to reshoot it.
I really think that the USA did land but like i said had to fake the filming.

Anyway im sure there were many people with telescopes watching
and would of seen them in near orbit me thinks, would they not?

But like you say NASA (never a stright answer) are capable of anything.

Originally posted by Jiajia
But objects in space do have a temperature of sorts in that their atoms if you will, are moving.

Yes, objects in space have temperatures of varying degrees.

In all honestly, seriously if you will, cameras do freeze up in the cold, and would be viewed with a wary eye as goes their mechanism out on the moon for the first time in that "hot" and "cold". I think the girl really hit on something big.

The camera body would not go through extreme temperature changes instantly. With a shiny, reflective camera body, it would reflect the majority of the Sun's light, so it would not absorb much heat. It also wouldn't lose much heat right away either. For the camera body to become extremely hot or extremely cold, it would have to sit in direct sunlight or in shadow for a long period of time. The astronauts were constantly moving around, so the camera's wouldn't have spent long periods of time in either constant sunlight or shadow.

Also don't forget that the only method of heat transfer in the vacuum of space is radiative. There is no conduction or convection like their is down on Earth.

Catherine is arguing that they would want to examine the cameras on the chance the shutters froze...

But they didn't freeze.

...or there was lens flare...

There were plenty of lens flares, but how would examining the camera help with that?

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My view is the camera was not tried in space and so its function is suspect.

Your view is ever so wrong Patrick:



www.lpi.usra.edu...

This picture was taken by a camera identical to the one on Apollo 11. As you can see, it functioned perfectly in the "cold of space." Parts of the photo are not exposed properly, but this was fixed in the darkroom when the photo was initially released to the public.

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I think Catherine blindsided the group here, and everyone is standing around scratching their head going, "WHAT?", including myself. She's correct. Face it. Bright girl. Wish she'd post some more this evening.

She is no more a bright girl than you are, Patrick. How pathetic that the only people who ever praise you or your ridiculous opinions are your own sock puppets.

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Hi DJW001

You seem to have lots of knowledge on this subject, what is your background?

Why is the US having to buy Soviet engines if they had achieved a lunar landing, doesn't it make sense that the U.S should be the experts? “Our team was watching closely how Americans were landing on the moon. So I swear, it's not fake. And we all were keeping our fingers crossed watching American astronauts because we wanted them to succeed,” Aleksey Leonov told RT."






What do you think to the collaboration theory? That the US and Soviets were being played off against each other by a higher authority. This is why so many secrets made there way back and forth, the cold war was merely ritualized aggression.

This is why the Soviets used the general electric Soyuz design? and is the same reason why the Soviets and US so quickly were able to collaborate on space projects. The aim is to project an idea of two opposing ideologies, so people feel like they have a choice. The reality neither of these ideologies in the hands of the elite will ever serve the interests of the general population. JUst like the farce of the United stated elections no policies change with a change of leadership.

"Soviets Planned to Accept JFK’s Joint Lunar Mission Offer"

"Kennedy had made the offer of a joint manned lunar program to the Russians on several occasions, but his most aggressive effort was made in a speech before the United Nations General Assembly on Sept. 20, 1963 in New York."

Kennedy's pursuit of peace was probably the reason he was assassinated, imagine one year after the cuban missile crisis Kennedy proposed a joint mission to the moon!

The cold war simply transferred money to the Elite by the vast sums of money spent on militarization. The Soviets and US carved up the globe.

Originally posted by DJW001
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I think Catherine blindsided the group here, and everyone is standing around scratching their head going, "WHAT?", including myself. She's correct. Face it. Bright girl. Wish she'd post some more this evening.

She is no more a bright girl than you are, Patrick. How pathetic that the only people who ever praise you or your ridiculous opinions are your own sock puppets.

edit on 15-10-2012 by DJW001 because: (no reason given)

I have seen this trick a few times on here, when you get somewhere the insults come. A good strategy is just to ignore then and don't be drawn into it... It is the same tactic used to create the illusion of democracy.

Stay calm, don't react to insults.. it is not wise to argue with someone who has clocked up a lifetime online in these forums, that would send anybody slightly crazy!

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Hi DJW001

You seem to have lots of knowledge on this subject, what is your background?

Irrelevant. Facts speak for themselves.

Why is the US having to buy Soviet engines if they had achieved a lunar landing, doesn't it make sense that the U.S should be the experts?

The Americans went on to develop the Space Shuttle, the most sophisticated crewed spacecraft to date. This program ran for decades, but maintenance is expensive and it has been discontinued. Until the next generation of spacecraft can be built, the US is using Russian spacecraft. The Russian designs are simpler, less expensive and relatively reliable.

“Our team was watching closely how Americans were landing on the moon. So I swear, it's not fake. And we all were keeping our fingers crossed watching American astronauts because we wanted them to succeed,” Aleksey Leonov told RT."

And yet some people refuse to believe him.

What do you think to the collaboration theory? That the US and Soviets were being played off against each other by a higher authority. This is why so many secrets made there way back and forth, the cold war was merely ritualized aggression.

What authority could be higher than the leaders of nations armed with nuclear weapons?

This is why the Soviets used the general electric Soyuz design? and is the same reason why the Soviets and US so quickly were able to collaborate on space projects.

US and Soviet spacecraft were largely incompatible. They used different docking ports and different atmospheres. After some collaboration, US and Soviet engineers were able to design a special docking adapter that was tested on a joint Apollo-Soyuz flight. Since committing to building the ISS, all the systems have been designed to a universal standard.

The aim is to project an idea of two opposing ideologies, so people feel like they have a choice. The reality neither of these ideologies in the hands of the elite will ever serve the interests of the general population. JUst like the farce of the United stated elections no policies change with a change of leadership.

I don't think many people feel they have a choice. They are born where they are born.

"Soviets Planned to Accept JFK’s Joint Lunar Mission Offer"

"Kennedy had made the offer of a joint manned lunar program to the Russians on several occasions, but his most aggressive effort was made in a speech before the United Nations General Assembly on Sept. 20, 1963 in New York."

Kennedy's pursuit of peace was probably the reason he was assassinated, imagine one year after the cuban missile crisis Kennedy proposed a joint mission to the moon!

The Cuban Missile Crisis heated up the Cold War. Co-operation between the two countries became impossible.

The cold war simply transferred money to the Elite by the vast sums of money spent on militarization. The Soviets and US carved up the globe.

It is certainly true that the Cold War served the interests of the Military Industrial Complex. The Soviet Union no longer exists.

What authority could be higher than the leaders of nations armed with nuclear weapons?

That is obvious

"A curious dilemma arises when faced with the documented fact that Wall Street funded both Communists and Nazis. First, it would seem these two forms of government are at opposite ends of the political spectrum. And that capitalists would see them as a threat to their growth. Allen provides a possible answer, writing, "But obviously these men have no fear of international Communism. It is only logical to assume that if they financed it, and are willing--even eager--to cooperate with it, it must be because they control it. Can there be another explanation that makes sense?" He adds, "Remember that for over 100 years it has been a standard operating procedure of the Rockefellers and their allies to control both sides of every conflict."

www.thehiddenevil.com...

I do not particularly want to believe this, but through modern day events it does appear that the main battle is really to control the general public, everything else is just a tale spun to manipulate us.

The Cuban Missile Crisis heated up the Cold War. Co-operation between the two countries became impossible.

Kennedy proposed a joint moon mission 1 year after the Cuban missile crisis. By going public with this invitation he put his life in danger. The cold war was a good cash cow for the military industrial complex and no open cooperation would be allowed to jeopardize it.

I do appreciate it might not be the time to reveal the hoax, but if we can shorten the time between these ridiculous plots and change the dynamic so the government works for us not the other way around.

The investigation of the public and failure to believe everything we are told is having a direct positive impact right now. A change is happening and I believe the pressure people put on is important because it limits the options of our governments to deceive us in the future. There are thousands of occasions where public pressure for the truth has revealed injustices and corruption it is far more dangerous to let of pressure..

You do your job DJW001 and we'll do ours.

Keep the pressure on relentlessly! We will never get the admission the landings were faked until it is impossible to maintain the lie.

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Kennedy proposed a joint moon mission 1 year after the Cuban missile crisis. By going public with this invitation he put his life in danger. The cold war was a good cash cow for the military industrial complex and no open cooperation would be allowed to jeopardize it.

"Kennedy was assassinated to prevent a joint US-USSR Moon mission" would make an interesting thread. It is a bit off topic here, though.

We could expand that to Kennedy being assassinated for wanting peace and perhaps the cock-up of publicly announcing the intention to send a man to the moon and return him safely. Setting goals is a political death trap! Notice now we don't set goals we have vague terms.. like change.

Originally posted by rolfharriss
Keep the pressure on relentlessly! We will never get the admission the landings were faked until it is impossible to maintain the lie.

Why waste so much time and energy trying to prove a lie that doesn't exist?

Originally posted by Junkheap

Originally posted by rolfharriss
Keep the pressure on relentlessly! We will never get the admission the landings were faked until it is impossible to maintain the lie.

Why waste so much time and energy trying to prove a lie that doesn't exist?

How do you determine whether a lie exists? Stating that it doesn't exist does not make it so.

Question everything, our governments lie all the time it is proven throughout history. Has anything been learnt from the current war on terror? That perhaps blindly trusting our governments is naive and dangerous.

Originally posted by Junkheap

Originally posted by rolfharriss
Keep the pressure on relentlessly! We will never get the admission the landings were faked until it is impossible to maintain the lie.

Why waste so much time and energy trying to prove a lie that doesn't exist?

You might have said the same to the the families of the Hillsborough disaster.. No lies here, no conspiracy.

Over 20 years of campaigning and eventually.. yes there was a conspiracy and cover-up.

With your 'lie that doesn't exist' perspective nothing would be investigated no truths uncovered and no justice.'

Saving this for later.

Moon landing has always been a hoax. They fooled the whole mankind . Till now they haven't gained courage to go to Moon .

Originally posted by rolfharriss
With your 'lie that doesn't exist' perspective nothing would be investigated no truths uncovered and no justice.'

Why depend on false claims and faulty logic to claim a conspiracy where there is none? Why ask for justice when no crime has been committed?

So far, any evidence that I've been presented with regarding a Moon hoax has been filled with either a lack of understanding of basic high school physics, or photographic processes and has been flimsy, at best.