VIDEO - US Soldiers blow up Dog just for fun!!

reply to post by simples


Since I'm so full of myself, I figured you'd assume I was too good to answer your question.

Since you actually wanted my answer, I'll give you an answer to your childish question.
No. The government doesn't come to my house every year and ask my permission on what they can and can't use my taxes on. What I can tell you is how sick to death I am about our politicians lying their butts off about what our taxes are being used for. For your information, my initial comment was explaining why I feel we as Americans should stop paying taxes until our government actually starts listening to what its citizens want.

The thread you linked to is just as sick as what this thread is about. The difference? I feel all life is important.

What about the skinned dogs that are being found in Colorado? What if they were "diseased strays"? Would it make it excusable? Is it OK for a person to be skinning animals and beheading them as long as they don't move on to humans? Don't bother answering these questions. I'm done going back and forth with someone who feels that a dog deserves less respect than a person. Life is life. As least a dog has never been video taped blowing up a person or killing for fun (unless trained by a human to do so). Any human who kills for fun should be removed from society. They cannot be trusted.
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reply to post by Hellas



ok - how does anyone know these are US troops?
Blackwater (xe / Academi) troops are filing back into Iraq and Iran en MASSE!

BLACKWATER IS NOT AMERICA!!!!
They are a privately owned group of mercenaries. The worlds largest financial army - and they do NOT represent our country.

Who own's Blackwater? Keep digging - montesano has "hired" them and AIG (who we bailed out w/ billions) sent their head lady over to USTC Holdings, who 'owns' Blackwater, to run the show. For now.

I understand the anger about this video, but let's be sure we're not misdirecting ourselves.

reply to post by DeReK DaRkLy


And that applies to every serving member of the military I suppose!!

Rather a sweeping statement.

Originally posted by DeReK DaRkLy
reply to post by LadySkadi

 

I would be more concerned about a person, perhaps a child, walking by an unexploded IED, then I am an animal (unfortunate as it was) who was caught in the elimination of the IED.

My concern is that today's military is a bunch of amoral punks raised on video games and medicated into thoughtless zombies.

I have yet to see one solid argument for US involvement in the Middle-East. We should be more concerned with what's happening inside our own borders. As for the nuclear argument - the US is the only country to use weapons of mass destruction.

edit on 3-1-2012 by DeReK DaRkLy because: ...

Funny, I dont see you fighting overseas. Even if we were invaded at home, you'd probably hide. No one is idiotic enough to go to war because of a video game. And why are we in the middle east? Several solid arguments, you're just another conspiracy theorist that refuses to be swayed. Terrorism as the main reason, although I hear there were chemical weapons found in iraq(chemical weapons can be considered WMD's). So theres your solid arguments. And for the millionth time, we used WMD's because we had to. We've done worse, so that point is moot. Compared to modern day nuclear weapons, the ones used in hiroshima/nagasaki are like firecrackers.

P.S-There is nothing bad about fighting wars for oil. The wars of the future will be fought over oil and other natural resources.

reply to post by dragonsrreal

And that applies to every serving member of the military I suppose!!
Rather a sweeping statement.

Punks and patsies... that's about it.

Who's war are we fighting? Did the people demand this? Hardly.

reply to post by Afterthought


ok as you dont want me to answer your question i have one for you.

Q. would you give your life for a dog? or swap places with the dog that was blown up?

i probably know what your reply will be just to try and make a point but an honest answer would be appreciated

reply to post by Toffeeapple


because If i have to be subjected to reading this headline in the recent posts list, then I am going to come in here and give my opinion.

This is ATS, not liveleaks. And this place has been going downhill. I'd rather see people put their time into creating new interesting threads of their own work, versus going out finding gore porn, and then coming to ATS going "OMG look at this!!1 look at this!1!!!" This accomplishes absolutely nothing

If thats the case, i might as well go to liveleaks right now and post every horrific video they have there on ATS for the stars and flags...Obviously I wouldnt.

Like i said, I hate coming on here and having to read headlines like this. It makes me feel sick. Thats why I dont go to places like liveleaks. And this thread will accomplish nothing for the situation.

And as another poster pointed out, there is a huge problem with feral dogs in iraq. They are either gonna starve to death, or end up taking people or childrens lives. And no one knows the background info on this video.

reply to post by simples


If you'd read my reply, you'd have been able to infer that I have more respect for animals because they aren't capable of killing for fun. I would give my life for my dog because he would do the same for me. A dog, besides one's mother or father, is capable of giving unconditional love. Dogs look up to us for protection and care. No animal or human was put on this earth for sick games and entertainment value. Yet, humans with warped minds are excused in the name of war.

The soldiers in this video do not deserve any respect. The service men, retired or active, who are defending their actions should be ashamed of themselves. These types of soldiers should be shunned by their cohorts. This is the only way this type of behavior will stop. If any of the soldiers in the video didn't agree with what was going to happen to this dog and didn't say anything to stop it, they are cowards and are just as guilty as the ones who actively participated in the dog's death.

reply to post by Hellas



again - please read this link:
Blackwater heads back to Iraq

"I think eventually, we're going to get a license; we're going to do business in Iraq," - Blackwater Prez

"Iraqi officials could not sue the Blackwater mercenaries as they had immunity from local prosecution and were not subjected to any Iraqi laws."
- funny, they're not accountable to us either?

"The deployment of ACADEMI mercenaries is likely to cause outrage in Iraq where its predecessor Blackwater Worldwide mercenaries could kill civilians with impunity during their time in Iraq."

Folks - I completely understand the rage here. BUT....you guys should be looking at EVERY headline with complete abstract thinking. Including the ones that reinforce your current thinking.

Originally posted by DeReK DaRkLy
reply to post by dragonsrreal

 

And that applies to every serving member of the military I suppose!!
Rather a sweeping statement.

Punks and patsies... that's about it.

Who's war are we fighting? Did the people demand this? Hardly.

edit on 3-1-2012 by DeReK DaRkLy because: ...

Well you know what they say about opinions. Cant say I agree with yours but your entitled to it. I Just hope that the day you truly do need the military to protect you that your opinions come back and bite you on the arse.

Wether the war is just or not and if you asked someone to fight it for you or not is not the issue here, what you are showing is total disrespect for people who have chosen to fight for you ability to maintain free speach.

Enjoy having your free speech because one day you may wake up and realise its gone

What is wrong with you people!

OLD VIDEO! already posted before, look it up!

It was an I.E.D. and they where there with the E.O.D. team,
and the dumb ass dog happend to walk into the danger zone after the E.O.D. team set the charges to destroy an I.E.D., But of course some troll want us all to get angry at American service men, be mad at them, consider them cold and uncarring.
I admit it was sad to see another life form die, but consider this:
A. What kind of life did this dog have in that # hole?
B. how well do think he was treated over there?
C. do you think he was living the life of Rilley?
D. If your going to go into the next life, as fast as possible would be just an act of mercy.
E. this was probably the best thing that ever happend to this dog, no more beatings,dogging cars, and bullets alike.

But most of all E.O.D. det. where the dog was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Its not like the guys fillming and laughing walked that dog over there to the bomb and told him there was candy.
god forbid our troops have a laugh once in a while over things they cant help, worrying about dying every minute of the day givs them the right to have a little laugh overa missfortunate combinations of events where the only casualty was something getten eaten one country over, where I dont see anyone of you bleeding hearts crying about, what about the dogs on the streets of india, that feed off of ded bodies floating in the Ganjis, wheres your simpathy over that..

Theres no American troops to demonize, and make look bad,

I bet the op found the same video I saw and just changes the title in order to geet a rise out of people towards our Brave troops, doing a scarry job. trolling for hate much?

Originally posted by superjesse13132000
What is wrong with you people!

OLD VIDEO! already posted before, look it up!

It was an I.E.D. and they where there with the E.O.D. team,
and the dumb ass dog happend to walk into the danger zone after the E.O.D. team set the charges to destroy an I.E.D., But of course some troll want us all to get angry at American service men, be mad at them, consider them cold and uncarring.
I admit it was sad to see another life form die, but consider this:
A. What kind of life did this dog have in that # hole?
B. how well do think he was treated over there?
C. do you think he was living the life of Rilley?
D. If your going to go into the next life, as fast as possible would be just an act of mercy.
E. this was probably the best thing that ever happend to this dog, no more beatings,dogging cars, and bullets alike.

But most of all E.O.D. det. where the dog was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Its not like the guys fillming and laughing walked that dog over there to the bomb and told him there was candy.
god forbid our troops have a laugh once in a while over things they cant help, worrying about dying every minute of the day givs them the right to have a little laugh overa missfortunate combinations of events where the only casualty was something getten eaten one country over, where I dont see anyone of you bleeding hearts crying about, what about the dogs on the streets of india, that feed off of ded bodies floating in the Ganjis, wheres your simpathy over that..

Theres no American troops to demonize, and make look bad,

I bet the op found the same video I saw and just changes the title in order to geet a rise out of people towards our Brave troops, doing a scarry job. trolling for hate much?

What about all these troops?


Possibly the most heroic speech I have ever listened to. I salute you soldier!


here is another


and another...


oh look, heres another.

Take a look around kid, the world is backwards.

Originally posted by greeneyedleo

Originally posted by CharonIncarnate
reply to post by LadySkadi

 

Hmm interesting seems even the animals didnt want ua there. Killing is not a solution, even though the government/military seem to thnk so. Has not solved anything yet.

What do you suggest? there are toooooooo many dangerous diseased dogs roaming around. The Iraqis will do NOTHING to help them. They are not pets there! there are no vets there to help these animals. The dogs are dangerous to humans and healthy animals!!

are you going to rescue them?

look, im a chic...i LOVE animals. i cry when i see them hurt. but the humane thing to do is to kill the ones who are diseased and a danger....which is the majority of them. otherwise they are starving and attacking kids and everyone one else!

what is the solution if you want to keep these animals alive and wander the streets?

What does that have to do with this particular incident? I 100% guarantee you there is no directive for EOD or US forces to go around and kill dogs, or to "wait for dogs to cross over ordnance so you can blow them up and laugh".

If I posted the infamous video of the Marine throwing a yelping puppy to it's death, would you then go on to my thread and say that all dogs in Iraq are diseased and need to be put down anyway... ?

Yes, this video/incident is somewhat shameful, but no, I don't think it deserves a huge "reaction" or a call to insinuate that all US troops are deplorable beings, etc. However, I think the rationalization you and other folks are doing is even worse, it's just spooky how fast you came in here and started saying it doesn't matter because the dog was probably diseased.

reply to post by dragonsrreal

Wether the war is just or not and if you asked someone to fight it for you or not is not the issue here, what you are showing is total disrespect for people who have chosen to fight for you ability to maintain free speach.

(1) Most people enlist for a better life for themselves, not for me
(2) Putting a uniform on doesn't automatically make someone my hero or savior
(3) Whether or not this OCCUPATION is just is the ONLY issue that matters here
(4) When the military stands up to its own government, then my respect will be earned
(5) Free speech hasn't effected change in this country for a long time

reply to post by Clisen33


Regardless of the fact that the dog situation may be a problem, is it fiscally responsible to spend the amount of money an IED costs the American taxpayers to kill a dog? If that is the case, then why are we not bombing racoons here in the USA?

Wouldn't it be just as economically feasible (considering the amount we spend to blow a dog up) to set up a office for animal control? Put the dogs to sleep or even a bullet would be cheap. Financially I don't see how blowing them up makes much sense.

reply to post by DeReK DaRkLy


Well to be honest I think you are trolling

Couple of final points from me. Not joining the military is your choice but it dosnt give you the right to badmouth all service personel. If you read my post earlier you will see that I said there is good and bad in all walks of life incuding the military. Having spent 10 years in service i can attest to that. Nor does putting on a uniform make you a hero and instanly deserving of respect.

What I am saying is that there are some good people out there that are trying to keep you safe regardless as to wether you agree with "the occupation" or not. And people that are doing there best to make a better life for the people affected by war in their countries regardles as to who started it.

End of rant have a nice day

Originally posted by dragonsrreal
reply to post by DeReK DaRkLy

 

Well to be honest I think you are trolling

Couple of final points from me. Not joining the military is your choice but it dosnt give you the right to badmouth all service personel.

Yes, he does have the right to bad mouth the entire armed services and service personnel, if he so chooses. However that's not what he is really doing per se, he's clearly repeating a mantra of "respect is earned not given".

I was in the military, and I don't like the military, and I don't like most of the people I served with.. However I do like a handful of them, and they earned my respect and hopefully they feel the same way in return. I knew a lot of amoral psychopaths in the military, and it would be dangerously naive and childish of me to say I like all the armed forces and that there are only a few bad apples. It's also a negative environment that changes you over time, which is why I'm no longer in the military.

It has nothing to do with being "kept safe". Don't be absurd. The military does not keep you "safe", if this is what you believe, then I fear for your body and soul. We are far, far past what the armed forces were supposed to be about. They were to guard our liberties individual or otherwise.

Originally posted by LadySkadi

Originally posted by CharonIncarnate
reply to post by LadySkadi

 

Hmm interesting seems even the animals didnt want ua there. Killing is not a solution, even though the government/military seem to thnk so. Has not solved anything yet.

The eradication of feral animals is an Iraqi government sponsored project, that is apparently supported by a large number of the Iraqi population... Look into it, try to move beyond your one-sided, personal bias.

edit on 2-1-2012 by LadySkadi because: (no reason given)

I believe the same thing could've been said about the eradication of the American Indians in the 19th century and Germany's actions in the late 1930s. State sponsored = I take it. What's next, Patriot is about fighting terrorists?

Gotta love the apologists!

Derek

reply to post by SyphonX


when your soldiers are defending you from an invading force do you want them to be all pink and fluffy soldiers or some sick bad ass mother f****rs that you know the enemy are scared of?

reply to post by dragonsrreal

What I am saying is that there are some good people out there that are trying to keep you safe regardless as to wether you agree with "the occupation" or not. And people that are doing there best to make a better life for the people affected by war in their countries regardles as to who started it.

Following orders without thinking for oneself is precisely how tyranny spreads.
Nothing has been accomplished in the last 8 years, only more suffering for all.

Good intentions do not justify bad actions.