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Originally posted by Aloysius the Gaul
reply to post by niceguybob
"geoengineered stuff" - what exactly is that?
Please enlighten us all...
Originally posted by waynos
Originally posted by onecraftydude
I don't know much about sky heaters or sky sponges, but I can absolutely assume they are stupid ideas meant to make me look like a fool for complaining about the trails that block the sun that only exist because of airplanes.
You seem to be falling into the usual paranoiac chemtrailer trap of trying to make the discussion about you. If you cannot see my post as anything but a personal attack on you then perhaps you are a tad too precious to try to have a discussion with.
My post was just what it was, the only ways that I (as in ME) could think of, both rationally and irrationally, of facilitating the removal of visible trails. How MY stupid suggestion, for which I clearly accepted all responsibility, might reflect on YOU is a connection entirely of your own making.
I suppose you are a "Debunker"? Whatever your purpose for calling my idea of getting rid of these trails stupid, I really don't care.
I would hope that everyone should hope to be a debunker, as the opposite to a debunker is a liar, if you think about it logically. I prefer to use the term sceptic, because while I am open to ideas of what may be possible or may happen, I've not seen anything yet in favour of chemtrails that wasn't either faked, misrepresented or misunderstood. And you evidently cared just enough to reply
The point of this discussion is to get rid of something left behind by airplanes. It is not a natural occurrence and it does affect people directly such as myself. Call it selfish or naive or stupid all you like, but don't deny their existence or the impact of them because that truly is moronic.
So you tell us then, seeing as you have been making so much noise about it. How do you stop water vapour from freezing at -30 degrees, or how do you get this moisture to sublimate into already saturated air?
THAT is what you are asking to do, and it is a failure to understand that which is, to use your own term, moronic.
It is no good throwing in strawmen either. Nobody says that contrails are 100% water vapour, Nobody is defending trails, nobody denies they exist, and throwing out the accusation that people who disagree with your view are being paid to do so is the saddest sign of desperation and none of them do anything to promote your opinion.
There cannot be one person amongst us that would not welcome clean energy in abundance, but calling for trails to be banned with no knowledge of how or why they are there in the first place (and an open declaration of not caring why either) isn't going to achieve it.edit on 4-1-2012 by waynos because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by defcon5
I am not trying to make money or scare anyone. I have not placed a link to anything resembling a "Chemmie" website. I just hate chemtrails/sky turds and want them out of my sky. You can have them in your sky since they don't bother you.
Originally posted by Essan
reply to post by onecraftydude
So you agree then that "chemtrails" are the same things we've been studying for decades and which - I think - everyone agrees we'd rather not have other than that at present we don't have affordable technology to prevent them.
Question is: do you think we should ban people from flying until we can fly aircraft without contrails ever forming? Or do we just accept them. And lets face it, they do sometimes look quite pretty at sunset ......
Originally posted by Gridrebel
I read the chem trial threads because I find them interesting and I am just drawn to them. I am in the MN/SD/ND area (yep, all three) and I RARELY ever see ANY trails from flying machines. I won’t call them chem or con trails. Just trails. In the last week, I have noticed some trails, very high up but long. Two to be exact. I just don’t see “trails” because I don't live under a common flight pattern area. Seriously, if I were to see one a month I would be surprised. The sky is usually clear, blue and beautiful with the exception of occasional normal clouds and cloud covering. This morning, I completed an errand and I noticed three trails all at one time in the sky, it was early, 10ish or so. Odd to have three trails. At 4:30pm, I had another errand to run and I could still see the original trails, but much more spread out, literally covering the sky as I see in many pictures and I thought WTF? So I was wondering, is it a temperature and wind flow issue? I don’t know but I have to wonder what in the world is going on.edit on 5-1-2012 by Gridrebel because: