Why you will not resist when the government comes for you or your guns

reply to post by Vitchilo

Your a quack...I will die for my country and never submit. EVER!

Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by Vitchilo

 

And this is why I choose not to have guns and have alternatives. They would never be able to even GUESS all the alternative weaponry stuff I have so they may get part of it but there is stuff I am not even going to mention, they'd actually have to search my home with a warrant to even have a clue what types of things I have (some things from the middle ages).

There ya go!! Yup, we're gonna hafta dust off the old brain cells and get creative!! We already know standard arms and blades will be illegal so we should forget those, thus possibly avoiding the "probable cause" excuse, and
study our painstakingly hand printed and very well hidden copies of "The Anarchist's Cookbook" and "Poor Man's James Bond"!!

Silly silly silly!!!
All of this talk of "they" or "them" coming for your guns.
Many societies have been disarmed, this I can agree with.
But just not the US.
Guns are more than a tool for death or food, they are our way of life.
There are some USicans out there who own no firearms but you hardly ever hear from them as they realize they have dropped the ball and shamed their forefathers.
If "they" ever come for our arms, how many police or military do you fools actually believe will go along with this?
How long before the militias find out about confinscations from law abiding citizens and mobilize to free these confinscated weapons?
This is the US fools, "they" are not coming for your guns.
Silly silly silly...

reply to post by DankKing420


I agree, I am a US Marine and will fight for my 2nd amendment rights. I have always wanted to buy land in the Nevada or Colorado mountains, might be a good time, I can then build a log cabin for vacationing. And it things ever became so bad I can defend my freedom from the High Ground, let them come and try to take them from me...or hurt my family.

They will get what they deserve, after all they trained me... IMHO the worst place to fight back is in the Cities where they have much more control, camera's law enforcement...I would resist from my turf in the mountains, at 10x I will see them coming 1000 yards and 2 mil-dots away ... : )

reply to post by g146541


I also agree with you as well, it would be disastrous for them...first of all 95% of the US Marine's would not fight or kill US Citizens, we are not brain-washed regardless of what some of you on this forum think. We do talk about these things over beers and I cannot think of one Marine I know who would fight the US Citizens, if anything we would defend them from the Police and private military companies (MERC's basically)...

Remember to follow you local Congressman's vote on Privatizing portions of the military and make sure they vote against it.

Hog out...

reply to post by lonewolf19792000


I say we could pick up a few tricks from china

‘Key Schools’ China’s success in Shanghai results from the government’s abandonment of a system of “key schools” for elites and the institution of “a more inclusive system in which all students are expected to perform at high levels,” the OECD said in the report. China also raised teacher pay and standards and reduced rote learning, while giving students and local authorities more choice in curriculum. Shanghai was the first city in China to achieve universal primary and junior-secondary education, and more than 80 percent of students of college age are admitted into higher-education institutions, compared with the national figure of 24 percent, according to the report. China’s Hong Kong is also a top performer.

Source: www.bloomberg.com...

Gotta love all the tough talk and bravado here. Unfortunately, if they wanted your guns all they would have to do is engineer a rash of public shootings and put the talking heads on TV to work......after that most of the sheeple would be begging to turn them in.

After that, those who resisted would be branded domestic terrorists and would have to deal with highly trained and better equipped government.

Let's not underestimate their cleverness when it comes to controlling the masses. They have centuries of practice.


Man, that's morbid. I apologize for it and hope I am wrong.

reply to post by maestromason


I am not an american. And freedoms came with guns through war, I know... is that a reason to perpetuate violence?
I know violence will exist anyway, but why escalate? When are we going to demand right to our rocket launchers?

The day the government tries to take guns from the citizens is the day people answer the door with a bang instead of a hello. They may get the first few but as soon as people figure out what happening they will be met with hostility and deadly force. If people were willing to make a mass exodus from the banks over a $5 dollar fee they will revolt if they try to take their arms. Many may think the general public to be complacent, but I believe that if they do something like that it will be the final straw.

No one here, I mean no one, including myself, will outright "resist" in some sort of fascist nightmare scenario in the United States. After all, we are a "rationalize" society, we have to talk down everything that matters and hyper-inflate things that do not matter.

This is what the "New World Order" was meant to be, not armies with guns, but people willing to rationalize their plight until there is nothing left to rationalize. First they came for the Jews, but I wasn't a Jew, etc etc. Now it will be (as it's always been), "They got the wrong house, they're making a mistake, you're not supposed to fight with the cops on the street anyway, it's better if you go with them and sort it out at the station. Yea, sort it out later, this is all a mistake, after all what good is it to start a scene and endanger my family and things?" All the while your neighbor next door is saying, "Wow, those cops are going in rough, I guess he did something really bad. I'm glad we're on the straight and narrow, some people just never get their act together. He was probably into drugs or kiddy porn or something." Until the whole neighborhood is gone, and they're all huddled in a detention camp, rationalizing their existence, getting angry at those who "cause a scene" and initiate the beatings on themselves; 'because gosh darnit it's your fault John got shot, you should have kept your mouth shut.' (Etc. Etc. Until everyone is dead or dead inside.)

We live in a world of utter absurdity and stupidity. Most people are too easily overwhelmed at the thought of an overpowering force that hates their existence, and sees it as an inconvenience to be dealt with in a careless systematic fashion. These same people will demand we start another war in the middle-east (because they're so concerned) and rationalize the slaughter of millions of innocents (and feel proud), and then go insane over meaningless drivel like Charlie Sheen (what a mean person he is, someone should do something, blah blah). "Honey, get this, the news is saying a man had sex with a woman. Can you believe that? What an evil irresponsible person, what is this world coming to."

Stupid absurd world. These are our neighbors. I think the vast majority of people today, are either intoxicated literally or figuratively, or they wrestle with the idea of blowing their brains out in houses they pay for, but don't even own. At the very least, it will drop the value of your residence, and the bank will have to work doubly hard with the realtor to sell it again. Stickin' it to the man. We all do our part in our own little way.

~ The American Dream, because you have to be asleep, to believe it.

Originally posted by SmokeyDawn

Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by Vitchilo

 

And this is why I choose not to have guns and have alternatives. They would never be able to even GUESS all the alternative weaponry stuff I have so they may get part of it but there is stuff I am not even going to mention, they'd actually have to search my home with a warrant to even have a clue what types of things I have (some things from the middle ages).

There ya go!! Yup, we're gonna hafta dust off the old brain cells and get creative!! We already know standard arms and blades will be illegal so we should forget those, thus possibly avoiding the "probable cause" excuse, and
study our painstakingly hand printed and very well hidden copies of "The Anarchist's Cookbook" and "Poor Man's James Bond"!!

it is cool that you have old stuff like that but it wont help you against UAVs and similar weapons...not to rain on your parade or anything..

reply to post by JohnySeagull

What your really saying is, "Why do you want the power to defend life and liberty?" Please grow up...

anarchist cookbook? poor mans james bond? also add the book of five rings, and the art of war. mind and spirit in conjunction with semi automatic weapons fire and also being in a well armed neighborhood would not only make it difficult to approach by land but also by air. it would come down to wmd's if they wanted to snuff out the opposition bad enough how many swat vans are going to lay burning or empty alongside the road before fat man and little boy come whistling down on u s soil?

Originally posted by randomname
maybe people will not resist because your arsenal of glocks and semi-auto's won't stand a chance against a 15 man squad of highly trained, heavily armed swat teams wearing body armor.

Who said it would be Glocks and semi-autos?

You're trapped inside the box. expand your mind outward.

Play by your own rules - you can't win by letting the opposition set the rules.

All in all, this thread appears to be a dandy attempt to sniff out psychological triggers so that someone knows where the pressure will have to be applied to get results without putting in the work. My suggestion is just do it - come and get them, and find out that way.

I think you'll be surprised by how little the things mentioned weigh on the scales against having one's freedom exterminated and then losing all those things any how.

Come get 'em - find out if those triggers listed are right or not,

This ain't Russia.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Vitchilo

 

I think you raise a very important question here as we move into times where it may become more than academic at some point.

I'm going to get a little philosophical and say this whole thing comes down to one issue and ONLY one issue. It's the big one and it's something I bet few who haven't been in bad situations in life have even considered, let alone thought through. Answer one question, and all others flow from it. Are you willing to die for what you believe? No.. Not in some theoretical way, but right there, on your own front porch and facing the men who your resistance could provoke to that end result?

Those who can answer yes...in a deep, soul searching kind of way...will be ones others can look to, follow and stay safe with. Those who can't answer that after serious time spent thinking it through..just don't try and resist at all, and I'm serious. If Authority sees that willingness to give all, they WILL have a moment of pause. Not eagerness to die..that isn't what I mean at all. rambos and nutjobs, please DO resist..we'd all like to see that element wiped out on day 1. It's the quite, firm and unmistakable confidence THAT ONE decision instills in a person that others can see. It's also what will be seen right through if someone bluffs it and has nothing to back it up with. Authority will tend to respect confident strength...and destroy weakness or wanna-be rambos.

Those are my thoughts and with nothing more shared or said, I really do believe it's that simple, and that basic. In fact, at the heart of the matter, it's just as simple as it gets.

We *ALL* will meet our fate someday. No way around it. How far are we each willing to go to see that fate finds us on our feet vs. our knees? I made my choice a long time ago and during a situation in life I had no expectation of getting out of. Such is how these things happen, I suppose...just don't fake it if you don't feel it. It'll go FAR WORSE than truly being willing to give all and fight. That is one lie others WILL detect..almost as if psychic.

Excellent post, and right on the money.

Here's the deal when that time comes. Your choice is either fight, and probably be killed, or surrender to certain death. It's not academic - I've faced that choice, and let me tell ya, it's a sinking feeling. The thing is, are you gonna go out like a mouse, or go out like you mean it? You'd be amazed at the calm that one little realization and decision will produce in you. Think hard about it ahead of time, and the decision is easier to make at a snap when it hits.

I'm not alone. There are LOTS of people, right here in the good old USA, who've already faced that choice, and lots MORE who have thought it through. Nearly every soldier, current and former, knows what they will do. Nearly every cop, current and former, knows what they will do. Believe it or not, even nearly every gang-banger, current and former, knows what they will do.

There is a wider pool than even that.

Now, all those people are not going to decide the same way, or fall on the same side, but they KNOW, already, what they will do.

Who wants to live in a world where the government uses their relatives as collateral, like a common gangster? Who is so soft that the next xbox release will prevent them from defending themselves and their family when a threat is made, REGARDLESS of the source? What kind of man is that shallow?

The kind that would rather live on his knees than die on his feet. Yeah, there are lots of THAT kind here, too. that's what fools people, but don't let it fool YOU. Those people are ALREADY dead - they just haven't fallen over yet.

reply to post by SyphonX


I bet you 10,000$ dollars I would resist if they "PHYSICALLY" came for my weapons...

Originally posted by Vitchilo
Because you have too much to lose.

First of all, you will submit because you will think they ``made a mistake`` :

From the Gulag Archipelago :

"During an arrest, you think since you are not guilty, how can they arrest you? Why should you run away? And how can you resist right then? After all, you’ll only make your situation worse; you will make it more difficult for them to sort out the mistake.

But let's say that is not your case... then you will not resist because you have STUFF to lose. Let's remember that we live in a materialist society and all the crap we buy is so ``important``... Ipads, internet, car, house or whatever.

Then if you do not care about that, you will care about what you do all day... if you resist, you won't be able to go on the internet, or play sports, or watch your favorite tv show or movie or do hiking.

Even if you have given up all that and decide to resist, then the government still has one thing against you and it's the most powerful thing : your family and friends. Resist and your cousin/friend/mother will lose her home/job... your kids will be taken by CPS... your sister's kids will be taken by CPS. So to save your friends/family, you will take the fall, and you'll even be happy about it.

Don't believe me? This is what happened during the Stalin era. It will happen again. Still don't believe me? Read The Gulag Archipelago by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn.

edit on 30-12-2011 by Vitchilo because: (no reason given)

Son, I have already stood up to corrupt cops, and won. More than once.
Know your rights and exercise them like muscles.

Youth today have been brainwashed into being docile.
My generation cares alot less about this "stuff" than yours... hell, mahy of us would be quite happy turning the clock back a few hundred years and living a much simpler life.

Don't worry for all you scared folk, who will be cowering beside the anti gun activists and the poud martyrs, the wil be a few of us who, despite all the crap we have endured from you, will stand up and protect your shivering behinds.

First of all know this... They are not coming for your guns, they are coming for you!

Don't think for a min that they will take your weapons and leave you. Don't you think they know or are going to assume you have a couple weapons stashed? They are not stupid and they are not going to leave you to recover those stashed weapons.

Secondly, they have a red list and it does not take a rocket scientists to know if you are on that list or not. You know, don't lie to yourself.

Finally, if it gets to the point that they are coming for your weapons, it is on. There is no turning back from that point. You can fight and die or you can submit or die... it's your choice. If you submit, you will likely witness atrocities or be the recipient of them and you are going to regret not going out fighting.

reply to post by DAZ21

ya know that back a couple hundred years ago Americans started carrying guns and made their own country largely due to the British oppression... Brits. have no place in an American 2nd amendment thread, you are the reason the 2nd amendment happened in the first place.