History of Palestine

Yup - jews were only ever tolerated in muslim land so long as they accepted second class status - and even then they were subject to constant harassment and periodic pogroms. Add that to the Cathololic persecutions, the inquisition etc, plus numerous pogroms in Russia and finally the Nazi Holocaust (burn't offering).

The powers that rule the world seem to have a special interest in exterminating the jews - they are arranging Holocaust no 2 as we speak.

The jews have done more to advance the human race than any other group by a long way - just as Islam, Catholocism and Communism have done more to retard it.

Under the Turks the Palestinians were not allowed to read and write. Many people look at the Palestinians and think they are a primitive people. They are, and the Turks were to blame. Now the Isralies are to blame. It is the man, holding them down.

reply to post by dilly1

People like yourself assume and don't read carefully.

LOL, ummm, apparently you didn't read a single link he included in that post, either carefully or carelessly.

Originally posted by ghash

Despite the fact that Arabs were more than 2/3 of the population, owned 97% of the land, they were given only 43% of the land.

Arabs or "Palestinians" didnt own no where near 97% of West Palestine:

The inhabitants of Palestine are composed of a large number of elements, differing widely in ethnological affinities, language and religion. It may be interesting to mention, as an illustration of their heterogeneousness, that early in the 20th century a list of no less than fifty languages, spoken in Jerusalem as vernaculars, was there drawn up by a party of men whose various official positions enabled them to possess accurate information on the subject....The pure Arab origin of the Bedouins is recognized in common conversation in the country, the word " Arab " being almost restricted to denote these wanderers, and seldom applied to the dwellers in towns and villages....


The Turkish element is small, consisting exclusively of officials sent individually from Constantinople. There are very large contingents from the Mediterranean countries, especially Armenia, Greece and Italy, principally engaged in trade. The extraordinary development of Jewish colonization has since 1870 effected a revolution in the balance of population in some parts of the country, notably in Jerusalem....


Turkoman settlements in the Jaulan, a number of Persians, and a fairly large Afghan colony that since 1905 has established itself in Jaffa. The Mutawileh (Motawila), who form the majority of the inhabitants of the villages north-west of Galilee, are probably long-settled immigrants from Persia. Some tribes of Kurds live in tents and huts near Lake Huleh. If the inmates of the countless monastic establishments be excluded, comparatively few from northern or western Europe will remain: the German "Templar" colonies being perhaps the most important. There must also be mentioned a Bosnian colony established at Caesarea Palestina, and the Circassian settlements placed in certain centres of Eastern Palestine by the Turkish government in order to keep a restraint on the Bedouin: the latter are also found in Galilee. There was formerly a large Sudanese and Algerian element in the population of some of the large towns, but these have been much reduced in numbers since the beginning of the 20th century: the Algerians however still maintain themselves in parts of Galilee.

1911 Encyclopedia Britannica www.1911encyclopedia.org...


Sorry to bust your little often promoted myth, Palestine was not a Palestinian country but a country of religious immigrants from around the world. Many Arabs immigrated there under the British Mandate who allowed illegal Arab immigration to counter the Zionist movement to appease the Gulf Oil states.

And the most shocking thing, is that the rest of the world blames Palestinians for their plight, because they did not accept giving up their land, their homes and lives; simply because people of the same religion once used to live there thousands of years ago.

Actually, Palestine always had a continuous Jewish population who were oppressed as Dhimmis and "Christ killers" by the Muslim and Greek/Latin invaders...until the brothers from Europe returned to liberate the land of Judea...which will finally be completely liberated very soon:

“For behold, in those days and at that time, When I bring back the captives of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather all nations, And bring them down to the Valley of Jehoshaphat; And I will enter into judgment with them there On account of My people, My heritage Israel, Whom they have scattered among the nations; They have also divided up My land.

Joel 3

reply to post by Corruption Exposed

Guess which countries voted in Israel's favor

The only reason those countries voted for Israel was because of the pressure Truman put on them, who in turn was pressured by the pro-Israel voting constituents in America, who overwhelmingly supported the creation of Israel. But, the US State Dept. and the UN had no intentions of letting the Israeli state survive the War of 48. The US slapped an arms embargo on Israel, the Brits led the Arab forces, supplied them with weapons, and the UN employed Count Bernadotte, to shrink the Israeli state by demanding the Negev be given to Jordan, then an enemy of the Israelis. Even in the face of all these efforts, the Jews still defeated their enemies, and the world has been trying to dissolve this state ever since....this plan will fail because God has Big Plans for Israel.

Originally posted by Corruption Exposed
reply to post by PURIFIER

 

My father spent time in Israel and Jordan. The difference in attitude towards foreigners between Israelis and Arabs is like night and day. I'm not saying this applies to all Israelis, but the only ignorant people my father met during his travels were the Israelis. The Arabs welcomed him with arms wide open.

Yeah right. Anybody can make baseless claims over the net...Friendly? Arabs are anything but.

Palestine exists, but it's almost gone. This map says it all:

You got that map from a pro-Palestinian site. Try a map the French UN commission produced in 1947. The Arabs didnt own the Negev which is 55% of modern Israel today...nor did they own all the land in the north and East Judea. In fact, most "Palestinians" were not land owners, but tenants. So try again.

I blame religion, indoctrination through education, and the media for the widespread misconception that Palestine or Palestinians never existed.

The Media promotes the Palestinian Narrative as well as the education system...the fact is however the Palestinians are simply Arabs, most of whom immigrated into West Palestine during the British Mandate. Archeology, and recorded history shows the Palestinian nationally doesnt exist, and is a recent invention.

Originally posted by stumason
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Don't forget, Jewish terrorists were targetting British interests and soldiers to get them out so they could forcibly take over, as we were stopping them, which is exactly what they did when the mandate ended.

Because the Brits were instigating the Arab riots behind the scene, to alter British policy against the Zionists...especially when oil was discovered in Saudi Arabia in 1933.

As an interesting side note (and proof that Arab soldiers aren't useless or that Israels victories over the Arabs was divinely ordained, as some like to claim), the only Arab formation to hold it's ground against the IDF was the Arab Legion. Trained and led by British officers. Had the other Arab armies had the same training, we wouldn't be having this discussion now and the "problem" would be solved.

The Arabs would still have lost even if all the nations assisted them...God is behind Israel, and the IDF with His help, will break all the tyrannical forces of the world just as He wrote in His Word. Israel is the Ultimate Resistance Movement, and it's existence is the sign that the world of the tyrants is almost up.

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Any argument for Israel that involves "God", "the chosen people" or anything similiar just highlights the ludicrous thought process of some people and how this issue can never be resolved while people believe in idiotic fairy stories conjured up by some crazy goat herders millenia ago.

Originally posted by stumason

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood

An interesting (and often ignored side of Islamic history) is that many of the earlier converted tribes were Jewish!

False. There was never any mass conversion of Jews to Islam or Christianity. Most Jews payed the Jiyza, to avoid conversion, while others chose death. Converting Jews is one of the most difficult projects ever...This refusal, provoked the Greek-Jewish wars, Roman-Jewish wars, pogroms, Mohammad expelling and massacring the Jews of Medina etc etc...so dont delude yourself.

And you also have to bear in mind that the diaspora happened LONG before the Muslims turned up. Either way, this was at least 1600 years ago, so they simply have no right to the land now.

There remained a continuous Jewish population in Judea for over 3000 years. Many Jews were forced to migrate due to Islamic Dhimmi oppression. The fact that Judea maintained a continuous Jewish presence gives the right of title to those Jews and their brothers in the Diaspora, not to the Arab usurpers, who think everybody lands belongs to them...hence the Arab annexing lands in the Mid-East and Africa. The Jews partially liberated theirs...full liberation is around the corner.

There is no such thing as "right of conquest" in international law. Annexing of land is illegal.

The Jews actually purchased 500,000 acres of land in Judea, and gained a bit more after a failed extermination plot,a plot the Arabs havent given up on until this day.

It was after the mass of Arabs were ejected by the Jews, so it can be seen as a retaliation, but in no way fair.

Well the late Syrian Prime Minister who was involved in the war of 48, (in addition to newspapers from that time) wrote in his memoirs that the "Palestinians" fled obeying the orders of the Arab leaders....The Israelis destroyed a handful of villages, most of which were located on the borders being used as infiltration points for foreign Islamic Jihads. Hey you know why "Palestinians" do this:



Yeah, I wonder why you pro-Palestinian folks fail to admit that the "Palestinian' Movement is also a Nazi one.

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
The jews have been persecuted and hounded from one country to another since egyptian times, vilified, slandered, inquisited, pogrommed, holocausted, terrorised - by Roman Catholicism, Islam and the Nazis.

And one wonders why this is..................



Well because of Jew hatred...the same hatred being expressed in this thread.

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Learn to quote properly, I can't even read your replies the text is so small...

remove the first "quote" and the last "/quote" from your post, that should sort it out.

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Sugarhitman

 

Any argument for Israel that involves "God", "the chosen people" or anything similiar just highlights the ludicrous thought process of some people and how this issue can never be resolved while people believe in idiotic fairy stories conjured up by some crazy goat herders millenia ago.

God isnt the problem...Jew hatred is.

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Sugarhitman

 

Any argument for Israel that involves "God", "the chosen people" or anything similiar just highlights the ludicrous thought process of some people and how this issue can never be resolved while people believe in idiotic fairy stories conjured up by some crazy goat herders millenia ago.

God isnt the problem...Jew hatred is.

reply to post by Sugarhitman


Who said anything about hating Jews?

I certainly don't. Each to their own. My only issue is the taking of one group of people's land and giving it to another based solely upon the latter group of peoples "holy book", which in all honesty is a bunch of superstitious crap and no religious text, edict or practice should EVER be used to grab someone elses home.

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
Yup - jews were only ever tolerated in muslim land so long as they accepted second class status - and even then they were subject to constant harassment and periodic pogroms. Add that to the Cathololic persecutions, the inquisition etc, plus numerous pogroms in Russia and finally the Nazi Holocaust (burn't offering).

The powers that rule the world seem to have a special interest in exterminating the jews - they are arranging Holocaust no 2 as we speak.

The jews have done more to advance the human race than any other group by a long way - just as Islam, Catholocism and Communism have done more to retard it.

Yup- jews and muslims weren't down with each other. Cause ,,,you know so many muslims who knew the muslims back in day that apparently treated jews as second class citizens. And you are sure about this how?

Yup- you sure know who the "powers it be" are,,,, who are they exactly? Cause last time I checked the elite ashkenazi jews run every show, in every town. From Hollywood to London. But I am sure you have an adequate answer. FYI,,The holocaust was extremely unsuccessful in exterminating the jews. Hell,, the Armenian Holocaust was much worse than the jewish one. Your another case of drinking way too much jew-juice. And don't attempt to give me the famous 6million # crap. Don't even try it.

What advancement have the jews done for humanity? What,,, are you going to yap about Einstein. Thousands of German patents were stolen in WWII by the allied forces(no thanks to the Ashkenazi elite). Spare me the BS.

Do you know who invented
Communism? Karl Marx, an ashkenazi jew

Do you know who invented Fascism? Karl Ritter, an ashkenazi jew


Do you know who sponsored and funded these to pathetic social inventions(and all wars after the American Revolution)? Amshel Meyer Bauer an ashkenazi jew(and his descendants). The Bauer name was later changed to Rothschild



Yup

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Or perhaps you should consider the metaphysical basis of those beliefs.

It's that aspect which remains unknown, and indeed, it is that aspect which motivates antisemites (or Amalek) to doubt (Safuk in Hebrew, doubt, has the same gematria as Amalek, indicating that the physical manifestation of Amalek is in those types of people, like yourself, who are so certain that their views of how the world works are the only positive ways in which it can ever function. This is a proverbial example of the 'chicken of the egg' conundrum. What comes first, the random laws of nature? Or human disobedience and rebellion against divine law, which results in another form of law, natural determinism) the magnificent agenda of the God of Israel, via his earthly ambassadors, the Hebrew-Jewish people.

It's two worlds. The one created and fostered by the pagan mentality, by Hellenism, is diametrically opposed to that fostered by Hebraism. The world is quite subject to our perception of it. If we doubt, and allow to doubt to become our attendant in all that we do, than the world will become what we imagine it to be; it'll be fixed, just as in any individual case, by what preconsciously assume.

In other words, what the Jews believe, is a real thing. The religion of the sophia perennis, which finds expression in Islam, Christianity, Hinduism, and Buddhism, in some original form, undercuts the metaphysical system imbedded in the Hebrew Torah.

Say of this what you will, just understand, this is why religious Zionists (studied in the Orthodox Kabbalah) fight for the holy land. The holy land is considered to be a spatial prototype of the universe, and likewise, it is believed (and even taught in Bailey's neo-theosophy, and at the lucis trust website, but understood in a different sense i.e. the Jews need to forgo their primitive tribalism and contribute their talents for the betterment of 'mankind') that the Jews are the spiritual center of mankind (In Biblical language, the Israelites are called Gods "first born", which is another way of saying they are the 'core' or surplus, which mankind assembles around. Archetypally, everything found in mankind first appears through them. Just look at how inordinately successful they are relative to other peoples. 20% of all Nobel prize laureates are Jews (and when you consider the probability of that, it really does beg a metaphysical explanation). 8 Israeli's have won Nobel prize since 1948, which per capita is more than any other nationality. In metaphysical language, this would be explained by a higher energetic sensitivity, and thus, creativity, in the Jewish consciousness verses the non-Jewish consciousness), Meaning, when the spiritual center, the people, the subject, unites and performs the Mitzvoth of the Torah in the spatial and objective center - the land - then Gods direct providence subverts the normal laws of causation - the natural order.

We saw this in brief in the '48 and '67 wars. I cant wait till the world see's it again.

Only the Jews and their religion seek to unite the divine masculine - the creator - with the divine feminine, mankind. Islam allows deviation, for instance, highlighting the Sufi perspective, I'll quote Frithjof Schuon:

From a slightly different point of view, it might be objected that a quintessential and consequently very free interpretation of the Sunna could only concern a few Sufis and not the salikun, the “travelers”. We would say, rather, that this freedom concerns the Sufis insofar as they have transcended the world of forms; but it also concerns the salikun insofar as they follow the path of Gnosis inspired by the perspective that conforms to this path; by the nature of things, they are aware a priori of the relativity of forms, especially of some, so that a social formalism with sentimental undertones cannot be imposed on them.

Non-Jewish philosophers always have some sophisticated reasoning for why the 'form', particular moral actions, aren't incumbent on those who achieve Gnosis.

Conversely, the Jewish perspective is understood by this: There are two realms, the Absolute and the particular. In all non-jewish philosophies, the former can obivate the latter. In Jewish phraseology, this is called ""katzitz b'niti'yot" which means to "cut down the young saplings". Elisha ben Abuya, who later Rabbinic thought chastised by calling "acher" (the "other") made precisely this mistake (he rejected Judaism/Torah and followed a gnostic path). What he "cut" was the union of the "Yihud Elyon,” (the upper unity, the absolute) and the "Yihud Tahtone” (lower unity). He thought them to be two separate ways of Divine providence, and the one who perceives the one cannot perceive (observe) the other.

There is a very deep theology behind the millenia long conflict between the Jews and Gentiles, which only the elite understand.

Originally posted by Sugarhitman

Originally posted by stumason
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Any argument for Israel that involves "God", "the chosen people" or anything similiar just highlights the ludicrous thought process of some people and how this issue can never be resolved while people believe in idiotic fairy stories conjured up by some crazy goat herders millenia ago.

God isnt the problem...Jew hatred is.

No,,,,, more like "Elite Euro Ashkenazi Jew from Kazaria" hatred.

And I don't hate anyone. I'm just stating the truth. Its you ,like the rest who switch it around to be anti-semitic jargon.

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Sugarhitman

 

Who said anything about hating Jews?

I certainly don't. Each to their own. My only issue is the taking of one group of people's land and giving it to another based solely upon the latter group of peoples "holy book", which in all honesty is a bunch of superstitious crap and no religious text, edict or practice should EVER be used to grab someone elses home.

Im speaking of the conflict. God is not the problem, intolerance towards Jews have always been the problem...Oh and most Zionists are not religious and only use the Bible in a historical context to prove their ties to Judea....lands stolen from them by Muslims, Greeks/Latins.

Originally posted by dilly1

Originally posted by Sugarhitman

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Sugarhitman

 

Any argument for Israel that involves "God", "the chosen people" or anything similiar just highlights the ludicrous thought process of some people and how this issue can never be resolved while people believe in idiotic fairy stories conjured up by some crazy goat herders millenia ago.

God isnt the problem...Jew hatred is.

No,,,,, more like "Elite Euro Ashkenazi Jew from Kazaria" hatred.

And I don't hate anyone. I'm just stating the truth. Its you ,like the rest who switch it around to be anti-semitic jargon.

You mean Ashkenazi Jews who were oppressed in Europe? Doesnt sound very elitist to me. And I think the Khazars of modern Kazakhstan may have something to say about Ashkenazi Jews being the Khazars...Oh and the latest DNA tests taken in 2010...but let me guess, those tests are part of a Zionist conspiracy am I right?

Originally posted by dilly1

Originally posted by Sugarhitman

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by Sugarhitman

 

Any argument for Israel that involves "God", "the chosen people" or anything similiar just highlights the ludicrous thought process of some people and how this issue can never be resolved while people believe in idiotic fairy stories conjured up by some crazy goat herders millenia ago.

God isnt the problem...Jew hatred is.

No,,,,, more like "Elite Euro Ashkenazi Jew from Kazaria" hatred.

And I don't hate anyone. I'm just stating the truth. Its you ,like the rest who switch it around to be anti-semitic jargon.

You mean Ashkenazi Jews who were oppressed in Europe? Doesnt sound very elitist to me. And I think the Khazars of modern Kazakhstan may have something to say about Ashkenazi Jews being the Khazars...Oh and the latest DNA tests taken in 2010...but let me guess, those tests are part of a Zionist conspiracy am I right?

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No Palestinians were removed from Israel.

So no Palestinians left Israel during the War of Independence and after the Deir Yassin massacare? So no Palestinians left their homes after the 6 day war? So Israel dosen't expand Jewish settlements in the West Bank like a conquerer would to mitigate the conquered and claim its hegemony over the territory? Ok, then I guess you are in a sad state of denial.

The rest of the story is the fault of the Arabs.

That is a small minded and over simplified view of events.