History of Palestine

Originally posted by stumason
reply to post by nenothtu

 

If you read my other posts, you'll see that I would support a state that incorporated both "Israel" and "Palestine" which was secular and favoured no one. As it stands, Israel is a Jewish state and, at it's birth, forced out a a good majority of the non-Jewish people who lived there.

Quite why they couldn't simply have moved in and got along mystifies me. But when you look at through the whole "Gods Chosen" crap and the superiority complex that is so blatant from the Israei side, you can see they had no desire whatsoever to live peacefully with anyone and wanted it all to themselves.

Well there's your problem, then. You seem to be of the opinion that only Jews have the "I'm God's Chosen and get to write policy for him" mindset. They are not. Muslims have the same mindset (hence the history of Islamic conquest), and to a lesser degree in general, but a MUCH greater degree in some particular cases, so do the Christians.

Until they all learn that God demands only what is his, and that they don't get to write policy for him and tell HIM what to do, we will have what we have. The things of God are spiritual in nature, and physical things are secular in nature. Until and unless people can realize that, they'll always be killing each other over their interpretation of what someone else told them that this god or that one said. Those people will no doubt have a lot of 'splainin' to do if they ever come face to face with the god they presumed to command and dictate terms to in order to make their own physical realities something they can sleep with at night.

They're too busy killing off bodies to hear the Spirit.

Originally posted by dilly1

Real Jews don't have pale skin and blue eyes like Ashkenazi jews from khazaria. Do you really think the descendant from the 12 tribes would have blonde hair green/blue eyes?? Do you!! Do you know the word "Caucasian" come from a mountain range in Khazaria called "caucus".. There is no relation to the 12 tribes .

You probably didn't get the memo that genetics - physical traits - doesn't determine religious practice or choice. There isn't a "religious gene" that forces you to follow a particular religion, or limits you to a particular religion, hardwired in right along with eye, skin, and hair color.

This is a prime example of those unable to separate the physical from the spiritual.

reply to post by Sugarhitman


(quote from my post

If God handed Moses all the lingo about being the chosen ones, why has Judaism not eliminated the wicked ways of the others by now ? AND, why did the other Abrahamic religions even spawn in the first place ? AND, why has the Zionist always needed and pleaded for "assistance" ?

Where was that "assistance" when the Arabs invaded Israel in 48? No where to be found, and yet the Jews were victorious. Biblical Christianity has it's roots in the Jewish Nazarene sect, Islam is something different and is not Abrahamic.

Islam is Abrahamic.

The three major Abrahamic religions are, in chronological order of founding, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Judaism regards itself as the religion of the descendants of Jacob,[n 1] a grandson of Abraham. It has a strictly unitary view of God, and the central holy book for almost all branches is the Hebrew Bible, as elucidated in the oral law.

Abrahamic religions


Israel had assistance in 1948 and before statehood.
If they did not, where did they get a military establishment ?

Israel’s Allies in 1948; The USSR, Czechoslovakia, American Mainline Churches and the Left

Czechoslovak military aid to Israel

It seems there was a concerted effort to support Israel before the big war started.

Perhaps the entire event was a financial agenda.

It has always seemed a little too "easy" and and at the same time, a little too "miraculous".

reply to post by xuenchen

f God handed Moses all the lingo about being the chosen ones, why has Judaism not eliminated the wicked ways of the others by now ?

Reverse that statement. Why have the Jews managed, despite all odds, and despite conventional anthropological- historical theory, survived 2000 years of wandering, wherever they went? From India, to Portugal, Morocco to Lithuania, amidst challenges that would have and HAVE destroyed other cultures, weak to the influence of Christendom and Islam. But the Jews survived - - Why? And even more emphatically, How?

AND, why did the other Abrahamic religions even spawn in the first place ?

Read the Hebrew Torah. It almost reads, despite being written before the existence of Islam and Christianity, as a testament to their future existence. Islam is Ishmael, the rejected son of Abraham; and as is known, Ishmael, according to Islam, was the accepted son of Abraham. But of course, the Dead sea scroll finding shatter historical Muslim claims that the Bible was changed. Given those statements were made in the late 8th century, a full 1000 years after the period that the Dead Sea scroll date to.

The bible was never changed; Christianity and Islam changed the Bible, and manipulated it to fit their theological fancy.

Christianity, conversely, is the rejected son of Isaac - Esau. Is that not curious? That the two rejected sons of the biblical patriarchs perfectly correspond to the two religions derived from Hebraism?

Esau, is Edom, as the Bible states. And Edom, according to the ancient Rabbis, was Rome. And Rome, became Christendom.

It is so hilarious that people don't see this. Rabbinic tradition reads almost like a manual of how things have gone and how things will finish. Its said of the end of days that Esau will enlist the help of Ishmael in his fight against Jacob - since it is more a fight of Esau, than it is Ishmael. Ishmael will be used as a weapon in the hand of Esau, or, Islam, or Islamic radicalism, will be used as a distraction by the west in their fight against Israel.

AND, why has the Zionist always needed and pleaded for "assistance" ?

*Correction, the secular zionist has pleaded for assistance. This was the modus operandi of Secular thinking. One has to make recourse to politics in order to get things done in the world we live in. And hence, they have compromised their vision. But on a deeper level, the secularists don't even believe in Zionism. Hence "post Zionism", which means, the end of Jewish nationalism... Isn't that a clever idea?! They created Israel as a home for the Jews. Eventually, Israel, which teaches a secular culture, became the ultimate experiment, or weapon, against what the Christians and Muslims could never accomplish: destroying the Jew. The title Jew, and what came with it, has been severely obfuscated by secular Zionism, and because of it, many Israelis dont consider themselves Jews. Which means, why cant we have a secular state called Israel with Jewish and Arab citizens? Such a state would produce a homogeneous culture that would finish off the Jewish identity.

Friends don't allow friends to drink and enter Israel.

In other words.

Originally posted by PURIFIER
I happen to visit Jordan for two weeks (business) in 2003. I stayed in the hotel with a lot of Palestinians workers. There were a lot of Palestinians in that town as well. They were one of the most friendliest people I have ever met (And I do travel a lot in my life). I had a few drinks with them one night and they expressed it very succinctly: "How would YOU feel if they (Zionists) chose your country as their sacred land and kick you out?" But I haven't met any violent types. About Afganis (from Palestinians): "They are the very primitive nations of tribal warriors. When they have no outside enemies they fight each other.". And no, Palestinians didn't support 9/11 attack in those conversations.


Should I add that I was denied entry to Israel (without explanations)? Don't drink with Palestinians before entering Israel :-)

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by dilly1

Real Jews don't have pale skin and blue eyes like Ashkenazi jews from khazaria. Do you really think the descendant from the 12 tribes would have blonde hair green/blue eyes?? Do you!! Do you know the word "Caucasian" come from a mountain range in Khazaria called "caucus".. There is no relation to the 12 tribes .

You probably didn't get the memo that genetics - physical traits - doesn't determine religious practice or choice. There isn't a "religious gene" that forces you to follow a particular religion, or limits you to a particular religion, hardwired in right along with eye, skin, and hair color.

This is a prime example of those unable to separate the physical from the spiritual.

So are you asserting that being a Jew is not a racial identity? I get confused by this; one time being a Jew is a religious thing and on another occassion it is a race.

So which is it? I have a feeling zionist will claim that it is a race so that they can call you a racist and claim protection from anti-racism laws while they go to town on muslims in the US and Europe.

When you hear something nasty about Christianity such as Mary mother of Jesus being a whore or something about Islam you will often find a Jew behind it. To respond in kind to a Jew will result in accusations of being an anti-Semite when being a Jew does not mean being a Semite. How can these Russian Khazars be Semites?

reply to post by dontreally

reply to post by xuenchen

 

f God handed Moses all the lingo about being the chosen ones, why has Judaism not eliminated the wicked ways of the others by now ?

Reverse that statement. Why have the Jews managed, despite all odds, and despite conventional anthropological- historical theory, survived 2000 years of wandering, wherever they went? From India, to Portugal, Morocco to Lithuania, amidst challenges that would have and HAVE destroyed other cultures, weak to the influence of Christendom and Islam. But the Jews survived - - Why? And even more emphatically, How?

Perhaps they were the ancient merchant class with elites forging the financial agendas.

I always wondered why it was easy for the expelled groups to move around so quickly.

Only the trade groups (some with military assistance) could do that.

Were ancient religions actually emphasized to the extent of today's thinking ?

Many ancient migrations resulted in future financial successes.

The bible was never changed; Christianity and Islam changed the Bible, and manipulated it to fit their theological fancy.

I agree, as long as we can accept all the varied translations and interpretations.

And, as long as people accept which "Bible" was first, and what the true intentions were.

*Correction, the secular zionist has pleaded for assistance. This was the modus operandi of Secular thinking. One has to make recourse to politics in order to get things done in the world we live in. And hence, they have compromised their vision. But on a deeper level, the secularists don't even believe in Zionism. Hence "post Zionism", which means, the end of Jewish nationalism...

I agree, as long as people understand the differences.

Originally posted by nenothtu
You probably didn't get the memo that genetics - physical traits - doesn't determine religious practice or choice. There isn't a "religious gene" that forces you to follow a particular religion, or limits you to a particular religion, hardwired in right along with eye, skin, and hair color.

This is a prime example of those unable to separate the physical from the spiritual.

Ok, so herein lies the problem. If Jewish folk claim they are ethnic group, then reason suggests that they could trace a lineage back to the original inhabitants and have a modicum of a claim (although it still doesn't hold much water), but if we're now just calling it a religion and it has no "ethnic" grouping, then reason suggests that anyone can become a Jew, which puts any claims from 2,000 years ago on very shaky ground.

Let's put this into another context.. For sake of argument, lets say Native Americans were "animists" and claimed land back from the USA based on the fact their genetic ancestors resided in such locations.

The UN relents and grants a huge swathe of the US to be given back to them.

Based upon ancestry, one could argue that they have some claim, as their actual ethnic group was forced from their homes.

But what your saying is that the claim is based upon religion, not ethnicity, which means anyone could convert to animism and lay claim to the lands simply by virtue of the fact they worship the same gods, even if they were ethnically a Nigerian, for example. This makes no sense.

Are you searching for the the word "cult?"

Tens of thousands of people have joined the cult and tens thousands of people have quit the cult over the centuries.

That is why there will never, ever, ever be a DNA test to determine who gets to be a citizen of the state of hate, as I call it.

Not only is there no base genetic signature that would allow one to make a unchallenged claim to be a memeber of the cult, any common geneitcally trait associated with the cult is not in any way unique to them and tens of thousands if not millions of people who do not have any interested in claiming to be part of the cult share that genetic trait.

Zionism is a complete and total fraud and this is just one aspect of the fraud.

It worked half-assedly 120 years ago but now we just have to laugh in the face of the cultists and demand justice for the people they have cheated.

Originally posted by xuenchen
reply to post by dontreally

 

reply to post by xuenchen

 

f God handed Moses all the lingo about being the chosen ones, why has Judaism not eliminated the wicked ways of the others by now ?

Reverse that statement. Why have the Jews managed, despite all odds, and despite conventional anthropological- historical theory, survived 2000 years of wandering, wherever they went? From India, to Portugal, Morocco to Lithuania, amidst challenges that would have and HAVE destroyed other cultures, weak to the influence of Christendom and Islam. But the Jews survived - - Why? And even more emphatically, How?

Perhaps they were the ancient merchant class with elites forging the financial agendas.

I always wondered why it was easy for the expelled groups to move around so quickly.

Only the trade groups (some with military assistance) could do that.

Were ancient religions actually emphasized to the extent of today's thinking ?

Many ancient migrations resulted in future financial successes.

The bible was never changed; Christianity and Islam changed the Bible, and manipulated it to fit their theological fancy.

I agree, as long as we can accept all the varied translations and interpretations.

And, as long as people accept which "Bible" was first, and what the true intentions were.

*Correction, the secular zionist has pleaded for assistance. This was the modus operandi of Secular thinking. One has to make recourse to politics in order to get things done in the world we live in. And hence, they have compromised their vision. But on a deeper level, the secularists don't even believe in Zionism. Hence "post Zionism", which means, the end of Jewish nationalism...

I agree, as long as people understand the differences.

Originally posted by Helixer

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by dilly1

Real Jews don't have pale skin and blue eyes like Ashkenazi jews from khazaria. Do you really think the descendant from the 12 tribes would have blonde hair green/blue eyes?? Do you!! Do you know the word "Caucasian" come from a mountain range in Khazaria called "caucus".. There is no relation to the 12 tribes .

You probably didn't get the memo that genetics - physical traits - doesn't determine religious practice or choice. There isn't a "religious gene" that forces you to follow a particular religion, or limits you to a particular religion, hardwired in right along with eye, skin, and hair color.

This is a prime example of those unable to separate the physical from the spiritual.

So are you asserting that being a Jew is not a racial identity? I get confused by this; one time being a Jew is a religious thing and on another occassion it is a race.

Jews are both a race and a religion...the word Jew is short for Judah, the patriarch of the tribe of Judah. In later times the descendants of Judah, named their state Judah, after their father...and their religion became known as Judaism, religion of the Jews....which also accepts converts. Also some Jews having blue eyes means what exactly? That theyre not ethnic Jews? LOL! Most Ashkenazi Jews do not have blue eyes BTW. So, all those white skinned Arabs like Helen Thomas are they Europeans too? LOL! Most Ashkenazi Jews look like Jeff Goldblum, Ben Stein, Ben Stiller, Ron Pearlman, Ben Bernanke...and they are clearly not whites nor Mongol Turks (Khazars)...your Khazar Theory is a dead theory.

When you hear something nasty about Christianity such as Mary mother of Jesus being a whore or something about Islam you will often find a Jew behind it.

LOL! Jesus was Jewish, and so was Mary...this is an internal matter which has nothing to do with bigots who hate all Jews..including Mary and Jesus.

It goes like this - crap, lies, crap, fraud, crap, lies, denial, call names, crap, DNA, crap, lies, religion, lies, crap, ethnic-cleansing, lies, crap, chosen people, crap, fraud, denial, UN, lies, fraud, denial, holocaust, lies, crap, lies, right to exist, lies, crap, they don't exist, lies, crap, crap.

Zionism is basically a Monty Python script masquerading as an ideology of national liberation for a cult entity that is not a nation or a nationality.

And that is the truth!

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by dilly1

Originally posted by JohhnyBGood
Yup - jews were only ever tolerated in muslim land so long as they accepted second class status - and even then they were subject to constant harassment and periodic pogroms. Add that to the Cathololic persecutions, the inquisition etc, plus numerous pogroms in Russia and finally the Nazi Holocaust (burn't offering).

The powers that rule the world seem to have a special interest in exterminating the jews - they are arranging Holocaust no 2 as we speak.

The jews have done more to advance the human race than any other group by a long way - just as Islam, Catholocism and Communism have done more to retard it.

Yup- jews and muslims weren't down with each other. Cause ,,,you know so many muslims who knew the muslims back in day that apparently treated jews as second class citizens. And you are sure about this how?

One has only to read the Muslim's own source materials - the Qur'an, the hadith and sunnah. Your answers will be found there.

In their own words.

Its not about religion..jeeesssssus... You can hit yourself over and over. It won't make you smarter.

reply to post by Sugarhitman

Jews are both a race and a religion...the word Jew is short for Judah, the patriarch of the tribe of Judah. In later times the descendants of Judah, named their state Judah, after their father...and their religion became known as Judaism, religion of the Jews....which also accepts converts.

Not exactly true. Paul calls himself both an "Israelite" and a "Jew" and he is from the tribe of Benjamin. In Acts Peter addresses the crowd as "Ye men of Judea" and in the next breath he calls the same crown "Ye men if Israel..".

Originally posted by Sugarhitman

Originally posted by dilly1

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
reply to post by dilly1

 

People like yourself assume and don't read carefully.

LOL, ummm, apparently you didn't read a single link he included in that post, either carefully or carelessly.

Wow,,,I almost missed your cynical post. And now your going to wish you didn't send it.

I did read the three links. The first link had a cartoon map of supposed attacks on jews. Its also has testimonials or comments from jewish people. I wipe my arse with "comments" or blogs. But back to the cartoon map. The reason why I focused solely on north africa and spain was that the "middle east" had mostly attacks AFTER 1800. There were 2 in 620'sAD but how accurate is that? And another one in Palestine in 16 century. The rest were after year 1800..

Are you feeling smart now?

In addition the first site has a long list of jews in pretty much every freakin city. Was there violence in those cities before 1800? I checked some ,not all,too many. But there is nothing of the sort. Yes are you going have ignorant people messing it for the rest , yes and it still happens in the modern era. Your point?

The next two are from Wikipedia. If you don't know anything about Wikipedia , you should learn who owns the freakin thing. Do some research on wikipedia and do some research(not from the internet) on the history of spain and spanish moors.

For the majority of Moorish rule jews lived much better and were treated much better in southern spain than how the Christians treated the jews. You have no freakin clue of what really happened or the history of jews in that era or frankly any era. But enjoy your Wikipedia PHD.


Are you feeling smart now?



The 3rd link , again freakin wikicrap. I don't know what to say. I guess this is why the current population is so stupid and disconnected. They literally think they are learning something by going to these sites.

A bit of advice , I know you didn't post these links, but if your going to use a source, use a freakin book .


Are you feeling smart now?

Im feeling smart:



""I wish you to know how these dogs of Jews are trampled upon, beaten and ill-treated, as they deserve, by every infidel nation, and this is the just decree of God. They live in this country [Palestine] in such subjection that words cannot describe it. . . there in Jerusalem, where they committed the sin for which they are dispersed throughout the world [i.e., the Crucifixion], they are by God more punished and afflicted than in any other part of the world. And over a long time I have witnessed that . . . No infidel [= Muslim] would touch with his hand a Jew lest he be contaminated but when they wish to beat them, they take off their shoes with which they strike them on the mustaches; the greatest wrong and insult to a man is to call him a Jew. And it is a right notable thing that the Moslems do not accept a Jew into their creed unless he first become a Christian. . . And if they were not subsidised by the Jews of Christendom, the Jews who live in Judea would die like dogs of hunger." Francesco Suriano, Treatise on the Holy Land (Jerusalem: Franciscan Press, 1949) [in original: Trattato di Terra Santa e dell'Oriente], pp 101-02. For a scholarly view of the Jews in Jerusalem in the late Mamluk period, when Suriano lived there, see Avraham David in "The Mamluk Period" in Israel: People, Land, State (Avigdor Shinan, ed.: Jerusalem: Yad Izhak Ben Zvi, 2005). and books.google.com... vtKFOrM0T-jIlOG3VWo0s&hl=en&sa=X&ei=9mz6TpOdEoOWtwe6_LGtBQ&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=the%20jews%20of%20judea%20will%20die%20like%20dogs%20of%20hunge r&f=false



Thats how "Palestinian" Jews were living "in peace" with Muslims in the 15th century.

Thank you,,,sincerely thank you. Thank you for feeling smart,,,started well but you blew it when you think that this source entails the full story. Honestly, the source is actually pretty good , but its from one side.

Author = self proclaimed Zionist euro jew


Publishers= jewish


Again thank you for the source and for feeling smart. But don't think this is the deal breaker.

Originally posted by Helixer

So are you asserting that being a Jew is not a racial identity? I get confused by this; one time being a Jew is a religious thing and on another occassion it is a race. ermined by genetics.

Yes. Being a "Jew" is a religious affiliation in which a choice is involved. Being of the Hebrew branch of the Semites is a racial affiliation, determined by genetics.

So which is it? I have a feeling zionist will claim that it is a race so that they can call you a racist and claim protection from anti-racism laws while they go to town on muslims in the US and Europe.

I can't help what a "zionist" thinks. that's not my problem, it's his. I don't have any "zionists" hiding under my bed or in my closet, and I can't imagine caring less what one would think.

BTW, "Muslim" is not a race, either - it's a religion, in which a choice is involved. There are Black Muslims, Asian Muslims, even white Muslims with hillbilly accents.

When you hear something nasty about Christianity such as Mary mother of Jesus being a whore or something about Islam you will often find a Jew behind it.

Religious chauvenism isn't my problem, either. If someone says something a god doesn't like, I'll let that god handle it in his own way. Not my job.

To respond in kind to a Jew will result in accusations of being an anti-Semite when being a Jew does not mean being a Semite. How can these Russian Khazars be Semites?

They're not. They're Jews. Speaking against Jews is no more "anti-semitic" than speaking against Muslims. I can't honestly say I give a rats ass about any sort of accusations that are insupportable. They don't hurt my feelings either way.

Originally posted by The time lord

Originally posted by dilly1

Originally posted by The time lord
Before people start saying it has nothing to do with the Jews, you can not deny the Romans existed in Isreal the evidence is overwhelming, the Bible states the Romans were there, the Romans wrote about the Christ and quoted from the Bible so much that it creates a second reference outside the Jewish history as evidence.
The Romans have Menorahs carved in their stone, Menorahs are found in ancient Israel's buildings, biblical buildings and places and ruins match the Bible from the time of Christ.

Then you have the ancient Tombs of the patriachs and other Biblical prophet tombs around the Middle East aswell like Ezekiel Tomb with Jewish writing on it.

Just look at the acheology and its all Biblical related with no sign of Islam anywhere before 650AD.

You do understand before 1800 jews,christians and muslims lived peacefully ALL over the middle east. Please tell me you understand that .

It wasn't until the "fabricated" and "pointless" WWI ,that all this moronic tension began.

The jews living in the middle east(NOT the freakin euro jews, big freakin difference) denounce an actual state for Israel or palestine.

This land is for no one but for everyone!!!

No one cares about fabricated and manipulated history of romans,jews and muslims. Its not about history,its not about religion. Its about jews from Kazaria who successfully claimed something that is not there's.

I agree but Israel needs to be spiritually Jewish in order for the prophecies to come about otherwise their God will not even think about coming down to show his face and bring peace to the world. Consequently by setting up Israel all the other surrounding peoples and nations will want to stop that and cause wars upon Jews ruling Jeruselem. The Muslims have been there to but nothing spiritual came of it, now that Israel is a nation many prophecies have been fulfilled and will continue to fullfil even the negative ones.

WW1 was partly to blame the Ottomans who joins the Germans and who Turkey still deny any connection with the Armenian genocides, it was there loss and the power shifted back to the Jewish and Christian faith. The Bible stated that God will bring the Jews back to the land.

Many Jews that came back to Israel were not even from Europe, they were cast out from Babylon/Iraq and Egypt aswell, that is why none of them live there today, the illusion is to think they all came from Europe, the fact is everyone eventually pushed them out including Arabs nations.

en.wikipedia.org...

From 1948 until the early 1970s, 800,000–1,000,000 Jews left, fled, or were expelled from their homes in Arab countries; 260,000 of them reached Israel between 1948 and 1951; and 600,000 by 1972. Lebanon was the only Arab country to see an increase in its Jewish population after 1948, which was due to an influx of refugees from other Arab countries. However, by the 1970s the Jewish community of Lebanon too dwindled due to hostilities of the Lebanese Civil War. By 2002 Jews from Arab countries and their descendants constituted almost half of Israel's population.

The reasons for the exodus included push factors such as persecution, antisemitism, political instability and expulsion, together with pull factors, such as the desire to fulfill Zionist yearnings or find a better economic and secure home in Europe or the Americas. A significant proportion of Jews left due to political insecurity and the rise of Arab nationalism, and later also due to policies of some Arab governments who sought to present the expulsion of Jews as a crowd-driven retaliatory act for the exodus of Arab refugees from Palestine. Most Libyan Jews fled to Israel by 1951, while the citizenship of the rest was revoked in 1961, and the community remnants were finally evacuated to Italy following the Six Day War. Almost all of Yemeni and Adeni Jews, were evacuated during 1949–1950 in fear of their security. Iraqi and Kurdish Jews were encouraged to leave in 1950 by the Iraqi Government, which had eventually ordered in 1951 "the expulsion of Jews who refused to sign a statement of anti-Zionism". The Jews of Egypt began fleeing the country in 1948,and most of the remaining, some 21,000, were expelled in 1956. The Jews of Algeria were deprived of their citizenship in 1962 and had mostly immediately left the country for France and Israel. Moroccan Jews began leaving for Israel, as a result of the 1948 pogroms, with most of the community leaving in 1960s. Many Jews were required to sell, abandon, or smuggle their property out of the countries they were fleeing.

An additional 200,000 Jews from non-Arab Muslim countries left their homes due to increasing insecurity and growing hostility since 1948. Many Iranian and Kurdish Jews fled Iran and abandoned their property in fear, that

edit on 27-12-2011 by The time lord because: (no reason given)

Your spiritual talk about prophecies literally happening is where we will never agree. Your wasting your time. Its pointless to debate(on this thread obviously).

Your right about the type of jews arriving during WWI. The only difference is 90% of the jews in Israel today came from WWII europe. Meaning euro jew.


Did I ever tell you I love wikipedia. Its my bible.

reply to post by The time lord


Your spiritual talk about prophecies literally happening is where we will never agree. Your wasting your time. Its pointless to debate(on this thread obviously).

Your right about the type of jews arriving during WWI. The only difference is 90% of the jews in Israel today came from WWII europe. Meaning euro jew.


Did I ever tell you I love wikipedia. Its my bible.

reply to post by nenothtu


I have to say I agree with you on all points. You are fairly straight up and neutral on the matter. The funny part with zionists is that being a neutral is as bad as being a member of Hamas.

With the zionist you deal with the unreasonable.

Originally posted by nenothtu

Originally posted by dilly1

Real Jews don't have pale skin and blue eyes like Ashkenazi jews from khazaria. Do you really think the descendant from the 12 tribes would have blonde hair green/blue eyes?? Do you!! Do you know the word "Caucasian" come from a mountain range in Khazaria called "caucus".. There is no relation to the 12 tribes .

You probably didn't get the memo that genetics - physical traits - doesn't determine religious practice or choice. There isn't a "religious gene" that forces you to follow a particular religion, or limits you to a particular religion, hardwired in right along with eye, skin, and hair color.

This is a prime example of those unable to separate the physical from the spiritual.

Memo to Leo:

The Jewish religion is the only exception where genetics and physical traits and vices are determined. They were separated spiritually and philosophically from all gentiles.. Inter breeding wasn't always on there "to do" list as much as goyims. Obviously they inter breed in the modern era but in antiquity ,not a chance(but taking into account there's always exceptions). Judaism is a way of life its an identity.... Not just faith.


Send me more memos