reply to post by HeavenWolf
What's really odd is that the Qur'an says the holy land belongs to the Jews; not to Muslims - i.e. followers of Mohammad, and not to Christians, but
specifically to the Yehudim.
And yet here we are today, with very few Muslim theologians (barring a few Sadiqs, such as Sheik Abdul Hadi Palazzi) interpreting that Quranic
narrative in a positive light for the Jews. Nope. They want to deny them everything; they want the complete extirpation of the "Jew", whether that
be through assimilation or extermination.
This debate will go on ad infinitum, I'm sure of it, because at root, this issue is religious, and theological, despite the secular veneer of it all.
The Muslims, like the Christians (and Hindus, Buddhists) on one side, with the Jews on the other, as Balaam poetically expresses in Numbers 23:9
The emotions on each side are much too great, and the history and tradition on both sides, too intense, for either side to capitulate, barring a
miraculous display of loving-kindness, sparked by God knows what; but this is a pipe dream entertained by the politically ignorant. I would love for
that to happen, but unfortunately, my head is twisted on right, I am in tune with reality, and I know how both sides think, and how the world as it is
The only Zionists left are the eligious Jews in Israel today. Those supposed "extremists", attacked by posters like Vatchilo...Secular Zionism,
conversely, is in its death throes, and those who survive it - those Jews who care to defend their right to Israel, for whatever inexplicable feeling,
will necessarily draw closer to their Hebrew Torah, and to Israel's Rabbis, and so to a religious Zionism, as it was created to be, and meant to be,
and paradoxically, despite it's secular political beginnings in the 1870''s, will one day become again. This is the only force powerful enough to
fan the flames of Hebrew nationalism in defense against those who seek to destroy it - both from within and without the state of Israel (for instance,
the liberal elite, 'post-zionist' secular-humanistic-socialist thinkers, who follow the drum beat of world opinion, especially the statements of the
And a few posters here, bravo, corruptionexposed, regardless of what they say, are here to spread propaganda against Israel. I do not believe for a
second - despite their clever tactics (and I will say corruption is more clever, and less overt, than bravo, who is lazy, and repetitive) that they
are just average people; they are way too mechanical in their approach. They write like people who read activist literature, Saul Alinsky's 'rules
for radicals' being their holy bible....And often, you will see corruption appealing to my own way of thinking, speaking just as I would speak, and
this is exactly what Alinsky prescribes, and indeed, whats logically effective; if you want to change people's opinions, you have to camouflage
yourself among them; be like them, talk like them, but subtly introduce ideas to sway their opinion in the direction you want.
A Palestinian people doesn't exist, as a real, and authentic nationality. It is a scheme by the Arabs to dispossess Israel from the Zionists. And an
even further proof, of the ridiculous dogma of anti-zionism is, calling it racism. How come Zionism is racist - but not Palestinian nationalism? Even
better; what the # is meaningful about Palestinian nationalism, verses Zionism - the movement by the Jewish people for a Jewish state? The objective -
the land of Israel, united with the subjective, the Jewish people. Do we even consider the merit of the words we speak, or do we just experienced the
emotionalism of public opinion? Palestinians are Arabs. Before 1947, they didn't exist, which is why Musa Alami famously said: "The people are in
great need of a 'myth' to fill their consciousness and imagination" - the myth being nationalism. What were the people of Palestine fighting
before? For ARAB nationalism....but not now - today they have their minds filled with a fictitious drama called a "palestinian people", and a
"palestinian cause", supported by rejected liberals and socialists - leftists, and other crooked people with political agendas. Now, calmly compare
this flimsy history with that of the Jews - 2000 years of wandering, nationless, and forced to live as second citizens in nations not their own. Herzl
wrote the Jewish state because the myth of the 18th century was, after the Jews were 'emancipated' from the Ghetto, anti-semitism would disappear.
But it didn't. It reappeared throughout the 18th and 19th century, from Russia to France. The Dreyfus affair tilt the table, and forced Herzl to
acknowledge what needed to be acknowledged: the Jew can only survive if he lives in his own land. The only other alternative was conversion to
Christianity - or dropping the title "Jew" altogether.