Merry Christmas every one.'SATAN CLAUSE'

Santa is indeed what some people call Satan but thats only because he is the Norse god Odin(Lucifer) who the Christians,after they made the European pagans convert to Christianity,changed his indentity from the chief god(the All Father) to the devil of their religion.

Have a nice winter solstice everyone.

Originally posted by IAMIAM

Originally posted by stonebutterfly
Let the freaking kids have some damn fun and magic before they grow up and find out about the real world...geez. Believing never killed me.

What?

How about we change the real world to fun and magic so none of us have to grow up!

Christmas is the biggest scam in history.

You set aside one day of the year to act like you are supposed to act EVERY DAY.

Then you substitute that for meaningless exchanges of material goods.



With Love,

Your Brother

edit on 20-12-2011 by IAMIAM because: (no reason given)

I could not have said it better!
Hijacked and morphed by commercialism from "The Gift of the Magi" (sp)? to "shop 'til ya drop" and Black Friday stampedes. Christmas as we celebrate it in the U.S. is gotten way out of hand.

Peace and love back at you IAMIAM, and everyone else in this world, All year long!!!

Originally posted by Viking9019
Santa is indeed what some people call Satan but thats only because he is the Norse god Odin(Lucifer) who the Christians,after they made the European pagans convert to Christianity,changed his indentity from the chief god(the All Father) to the devil of their religion.

Have a nice winter solstice everyone.

You could at least cite some sources of your claim to try and make it somewhat believable, couldn't you?

Originally posted by IAMIAM

Originally posted by stonebutterfly
Let the freaking kids have some damn fun and magic before they grow up and find out about the real world...geez. Believing never killed me.

What?

How about we change the real world to fun and magic so none of us have to grow up!

Christmas is the biggest scam in history.

You set aside one day of the year to act like you are supposed to act EVERY DAY.

Then you substitute that for meaningless exchanges of material goods.


With Love,

Your Brother

Holidays are what we make of them. Nothing you described is found in my family's celebration of Yule. Maybe your hatred of the day originates from the Christian need to market everything they do for profit. Maybe you bought into their nonsense at one time and now feel guilty for it.
If we choose to do things because they are corrupt, instead of doing them anyway, but properly, then we'll soon find that all traditions and everything with meaning is extinct.
Which is why, I suppose, paganistic beliefs have survived for tens of thousands of years, while newer, overbearing religions like Christianity and Islam are starting to falter.

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The origins of Santa come from Odin though and not St Nick although people still argue about where the origins come from.

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Merry Capitalistmas everyone.

Ho-ho-hoard!

I need toys, i need expensive shoes, i need this, i need that.

You need the air that is given to you that, by buying these things, driving your giant cars, you slowly take away from yourself.

You need the roof over your head, which is likely to become harder to pay for because Earth may have given you all of herself to live upon freely, but this system we have sure wont let you get by scott free! Not, even, CLOSE.

You need the food and water that sustains you like the Hydrogen inside the Sun, despite these companies that you've been supporting every christmas are simply feeding this systematic thing, which in turn, feeds you slow poisoning food and water.

Good riddance, Satan Claws.

Originally posted by thoughtsfull
I prefer Father Christmas in his green suit to this *waves hands in the air* Santa Clause in his red one..

I have often wondered what happens if they bump into each other on Christmas eve! do they get into a fight?

No, a vortex forms that combines the two beings into a new form, the green and red combine and make brown.

This is the origin of Mr Hanky.

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You weren't speaking to me, but I thought I'd answer for the person you were commenting to:

Numerous parallels have been drawn between Santa Claus and the figure of Odin, a major god amongst the Germanic peoples prior to their Christianization. Since many of these elements are unrelated to Christianity, there are theories regarding the pagan origins of various customs of the holiday stemming from areas where the Germanic peoples were Christianized and retained elements of their indigenous traditions, surviving in various forms into modern depictions of Santa Claus.

Wiki Link

Scroll down to "Predecessor figures." Santa is based on a myriad of ancient people and myths, the oldest stemming from paleolithic Siberia.

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What can I say? When I was young there was no internet so I had to use my imagination, I knew it was a damn conspiracy though! Any other time of the year that a strange man breaks into your home and leaves or takes something parents would have called the police.

Lol OP your title reminded me of this a few years back......

It was xmas eve & I went in to check my 7yo daughter was asleep.
She was, & I found her note she had wrote to Santa on her bedside table.
It started-

"Dear Satan"
I have been very good.............

Lol, thank goodness I knew she wasn't a great speller, or I would've thought she worked for the dark side, ha ha!!

Even better, thank goodness HE didn't come.......

Originally posted by FugitiveSoul
Holidays are what we make of them. Nothing you described is found in my family's celebration of Yule.

Great! If the shoe does not fit, do not put it on.

Originally posted by FugitiveSoul
Maybe your hatred of the day originates from the Christian need to market everything they do for profit. Maybe you bought into their nonsense at one time and now feel guilty for it.
If we choose to do things because they are corrupt, instead of doing them anyway, but properly, then we'll soon find that all traditions and everything with meaning is extinct.

I have no hatred for the holiday my friend. I do not celebrate it because I celebrate everyday.

I do not give gifts on christmas, because I give them everyday.

I do not do charity on christmas. I do it everyday.

I do not cherish family time on christmas. I cherish it everyday.

I do not need a tradition. Love IS my tradition.

Originally posted by FugitiveSoul
Which is why, I suppose, paganistic beliefs have survived for tens of thousands of years, while newer, overbearing religions like Christianity and Islam are starting to falter.

Bah, paganistic beliefs are simply beliefs wrapped in a different cloak.

Don't try me with the Pagan is better than Christian argument my friend.

I am a Palero.

When you sacrifice a young ram to Odin, when you place the first kill of the hunt into the temple of Diana, when you actually do what the pagans actually did, then tell me about how paganism has survived the ages.

Until then, todays Paganism is nothing more than creating your own beliefs system dressed in the suit of the past, without the body occupying it.

And, there is nothing wrong with this.

With Love,

Your Brother

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no theory.....i did not say st nick......I said santa.....yes st nick is older and even he has an origin somewhere else (odin?) ...but santa, elves, sleigh etc etc is coca cola....

THE HISTORY OF CHRISTMAS: IS IT PAGAN?
Christ.mas n.
-A Christian feast commemorating the birth of Jesus.
-An annual church festival (December 25) and in some States a legal holiday, in memory of the birth of Christ, often celebrated by a particular church service, and also by special gifts, greetings, and hospitality. (www.Dictionary.com)

The celebration of Christmas has caused some controversy in recent years, for a variety of reasons. Many have been concerned that Christ is too often left out of Christmas; replaced by trimmings and presents and fudge. Others have battled over whether we should allow manger scenes on public property or allow the school choir to sing Christmas carols that actually contain a message about Jesus Christ. On the other hand, a growing number of Christians have been arguing that we should not celebrate Christmas at all because there is no command to do so in the Bible and because the celebration has pagan roots.

What stand should we take? How should we approach Christmas in the light of history and in the light of the Bible?

The Pagan History:
Many pagan religions throughout the millennia have worshipped the sun as the source of light and warmth and life. As darkness deepened in the winter and the shortest day of the year approached, many pagans of yesteryear feared that the light might die altogether. Once the winter solstice hit, however, and the hours of sunlight began to increase once again, there would be great celebrations over the return of the sun and the accompanying hope for a future spring. In the northern hemisphere, these celebrations would occur toward the end of December.

Tammuz, the son of Nimrod and his queen, Semiramis, was identified with the Babylonian Sun God and worshipped following the sinter solstice, on about December 22-23. Tammuz was thought to have died during the winter solstice, and was memorialized by burning a log in the fireplace. (The Chaldean word for "infant" is yule. This is the origin of the yule log.) His rebirth was celebrated by replacing the log with a trimmed tree the next morning.

The Roman god Saturn's celebration fell on December 17 and lasted for seven days. Romans would gaily decorate their homes in evergreen boughs and candles, and would give gifts to one another. It was a time of visiting with family and friends, and of often-rowdy merry-making.

December 25 was also considered to be the birth date of the Iranian mystery god Mithra, the god of light and contracts. A once-minor god of the Persian pantheon, Roman soldiers adopted Mithra as the manly man's hero, a divinity of fidelity, manliness, and bravery. Women were excluded from the caves where men worshipped Mithra through secret rituals.

Mithra came to be identified with the sun-god Helios and became known as 'The Great God Helios-Mithras.' Several Roman emperors formally announced their alliance with the sun, including Commodus who was initiated in public. Emperor Aurelian (AD 270 to 275) blended a number of pagan solstice celebrations of such god-men/saviors as Apollo, Attis, Baal, Dionysus, Helios, Hercules, Horus, Mithra, Osiris, Perseus, and Theseus into a single festival called the 'Birthday of the Unconquered Sun,' celebrated on December 25th.

There are a few rumored similarities between the legends of Mithra and the story of Christ. Mithra was said to have been born in a cave, with shepherds attending, (although there were no men on earth at the time (?)). Other legends have him being born from a rock by a river under a tree. According to Persian mythology, Mithra was a moral god, upholding the sanctity of the contract even when the contract was made with one who was sure to break it. Initiates into Mithraism would be 'baptized' with the trickle of the sacrificial bull's blood that would flow into a pit. This blood was said to cleanse the initiates from any impurities.

The few actual similarities between the Persian Mithra and Jesus Christ are superficial and are nothing compared to the major differences between the two. The comparisons that are fairly close - that Mithra was born of a virgin, that he was buried and rose again, are based on Roman versions of Mithra that post date Jesus Christ and not the original Persian stories of the god. That a god who was (in the Persian tradition) born from a rock could also somehow be born of a virgin demonstrates the adaption of the story by the Romans after the time of Christ.

Tertullian (AD 160-220), the early Church writer, noticed that the pagan religion utilized baptism as well as bread and wine consecrated by priests. He considered Mithraism to have been inspired by the devil, who wanted to mock Christians and lead others to hell.

While Tammuz and Saturn, Mithra and the Unconquered Sun may have once been celebrated at the end of December, few people even are aware of them anymore. There are no shrines to Tammuz set up in town squares, nor are carols being sung around the neighborhood in honor of Mithra. Whatever celebrations that pagans once had (and still have) at the end of December, Christmas is a decidedly Christian holiday that celebrates the birth of our Savior.

As the Christmas season gets into full steam, let's certainly avoid the temptation to worship pagan gods (wherever those temptations might yet lurk), but let's do focus on rejoicing that God sent His Son to be a man like us. He was laid in a manger as a baby and later had no place to lay his head (Matt 8:20), yet he is the King of Kings (Rev 17:14) and God the Father has given him a name above all names, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow (Phil 2:8-11). Rather than fearing the pagan history of this time of year, let's take advantage of the current cultural opportunity to worship and bring glory to Christ at a time when people are most open to his being the "reason for the season".

Related Links:
The Origins of Our Christmas Traditions
- Koinonia House
Jesus is Not a Mithras Redux
- The Invisible Things
Mithraism
- NewAdvent.org

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Here is a present from Santa:

How to spell Santa name.

Originally posted by IAMIAM

Originally posted by stonebutterfly
.

What?
How about we change the real world to fun and magic so none of us have to grow up!
Christmas is the biggest scam in history.
You set aside one day of the year to act like you are supposed to act EVERY DAY.
Then you substitute that for meaningless exchanges of material goods.

With Love,
Your Brother

edit on 20-12-2011 by IAMIAM because: (no reason given)

Well said. You know I was just noticing today at the grocery store, people were really nice and seemed in a good mood in spite of it all. Strangers striking up conversations with me and such. I thought that it would be nice if we were like this toward each other all the time. I've definitely been trying harder.

santa claus' red suit originated from Coca Cola Ads

red suit origin

Originally posted by violet
santa claus' red suit originated from Coca Cola Ads

red suit origin

I agree......it did in deed.....and to those nity grity types.....we did not say st nick.......santa claus....big dif

If the jolly red fat man in the suit is the devil its because he is a corporate logo run amok. When I see images of "Santa" these days they all go back to the one spawned by Coke. The info is even on their website for those who care to look.

Before the 1931 introduction of the Coca-Cola Santa Claus created by artist Haddon Sundblom, the image of Santa ranged from big to small and fat to tall. Santa even appeared as an elf and looked a bit spooky.

The Civil War cartoonist Thomas Nast drew Santa Claus for Harper's Weekly in 1862; Santa was shown as a small elf-like figure who supported the Union. Nast continued to draw Santa for 30 years and along the way changed the color of his coat from tan to the now traditional red. Though some people believe the Coca-Cola Santa wears red because that is the Coke® color, the red suit comes from Nast's interpretation of St. Nick.

People loved the Coca-Cola Santa images and paid such close attention to them, that when anything changed, they sent letters to The Coca-Cola Company. One year, Santa's large belt was backwards (perhaps because artist Haddon Sundblom used himself as a model and painted by looking in a mirror). Another year, Santa Claus appeared without a wedding ring, causing fans to write asking what happened to Mrs. Claus.

People and their belief in a product and its packaging are what made Santa what he is today. The company took it and ran with it....but it was with the blessing of the people.

Coke Lore


Proud pagan here and I celebrate this holiday not as a way to scam gifts and go through the holiday motions but because it has held a certain magick for me since I was a small child. I could sit and watch a xmas tree's lights for hours...and I have. In a dark, quiet house it is very soothing. These holidays dont have to be anything you dont want them to be. Take the traditions and make them your own if it makes you feel better. You dont have to embrace materialism and while we should be practicing good will toward men (and women) every day, its nice to come together during the holidays...so have a Merry Christmas, Blessed Yule , Happy Hanukkah, A Kwwaaaaazy Kwanza, A tip top Tet!...and a solemn and dignified Ramadan

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You beat me to it, but yeah, he's mostly logo...its like celebrating Twinkie the Kid coming down your chimney, lol