So why is the NWO bad?

Originally posted by WhoKnows100
1.The "NWO" leaders fell for the same lie that tempted Eve.
2.Satan promises the world, all power and control, and this promise is believed.
3.God separated the world by race and language at the Tower of Babel and "globalisation" and "multiculturalism" and "racism" are used to justify the undoing of this. Look at the new Tower being built by the EU biblelight.net...
4.Evil exists.
5.it will be by force and done by the age old "Create the problem to produce a desired reaction then offer the planned solution"
6.The ruling families are known Satan worshippers, yet the vast majority of people now roll their eyes at this because they first believed the lie that God does not exist.
7.Look around you at the multitudes of people obvlious to the planned take down of the western and predominantly Christian professing nations all in the name of "multiculturalism". They are creating the problems by massive immigration of nonsimilar cultures, and managing the desired reaction of riots, strife and public media reaction all to further their intended solution I.e. Take a look at the Denver Airport mural of the kids in the coffins and scenes of destruction.

And so how can anyone not see and understand that the "NWO" is against humanity, that it is against God and that it offers nothing of value except to those in charge who feel that they are gods who have the moral right to decide who lives and dies. If you choose to believe the lie that evil does not exist, you will not understand any of the points that I have put forth.

'God' is the ancient term for 'higher, advanced being'.....today, we call them aliens.

The mere fact that people tend to associate the 'Illuminati' or NWO with 'the devil' is the very reason I had to begin to rethink it...

The devil / Satan/ Lucifer was on the side for humanity, while Lord God was not. You mentioned how Satan tempted Eve in the Garden. Yes...but tempted her with what? A real apple? No...Apple was the symbol for knowledge, just as it is today. Lord God was upset at this, because your slaves do not need intelligence.

Americans have been losing freedom and rights faster than the Federal Reserve is printing money.


The IMF/World Bank forces countries to pass new laws to enslave their people if they can't make debt payments.

Enslavement isn't coming. It's here.

A Free Open Internet for the world, doesn't exist. You see, what you're allowed to see.

The New World Order is bad because everything these leaders are doing is being done in secret. They are not being genuine in why or how they want to help. They want to kill 90% of the human race which is a bad thing. If they changed their system, and opened the political/problem solving aspects of society to everyone, we would have solved our problems by now.

The New World Order does not share, they make decisions for us. They think they have all the answers and hide their plans from the public. This makes them bad.

If they were good, they would be honest and upfront with their goals. They would say in public "We want to help 3rd world countries", they would say "we want to help control the population because we wont have resources". They would say "we want a one world government because we have tried nations and all we have done is killed eachother."

But no, they do everything in the back room and subject us to their agenda without our consent. They treat the people like idiots while they cut our access to education, resources, and time.

They are bad because they only have one solution to every problem, their solution. There isn't any debate, there isn't any various options, only one point of view that remains partially hidden.

The only way that the NWO makes any sense is if they are the proxies for aliens that don't want us to expand. Only aliens would want to kill 90% of us. Humans would never want this. Only aliens would hold back our space travel so that we can't explore and expand, every space based venture eventually dries up and we continue to rot on this rock.

If the universe and the galaxy is billions of years old, it would make sense that one species billions or millions of years ago would have already taken everything over and we're just one planet and underdeveloped. We are primitive by their standards which is why we are treated as such. It is the only way that it makes sense to me. Maybe I don't know what I'm talking about but just thought I'd throw my point of view out there.

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Where does our understanding of the NWO come from?

From the Marxist globalist oligarchy IN THEIR OWN WORDS!

I've studied it since 1965. Here's just a sampling of their evil hideousness:

from:

www.paulmcguire.org...

"The powers of financial capitalism had another far reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements, arrived at in frequent private meetings and conferences.

The apex of the system was the Bank for International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the worlds central banks which were themselves private corporations. The growth of financial capitalism made possible a centralization of world economic control and use of this power for the direct benefit of financiers and the indirect injury of all other economic groups."

–Excerpt from: "Tragedy and Hope: A History of The World in Our Time" (Macmillan Company, 1966,) by Professor Carroll Quigley of Georgetown University, highly esteemed by his former student, President William Jefferson Clinton.

Aaron Russo and Nick Rockefeller

The following quote in red was told to Aaron Russo, the Hollywood producer of “The Rose”, “Trading Places”, “Wise Guys” and “America, Freedom to Fascism”.
He was the founder of “Restore the Republic”

(www.restoretherepublic.com...)

He attempted to start the Constitution Party in 1994. Aaron died in 2007 of bladder cancer.
The following quote by Nick Rockefeller (David Rockefeller’s brother) is paraphrased by Russo.

“The end goal is to get everybody chipped, to control the whole society, to have the bankers and the elite people control the world”

Nick (Rockefeller)offered Russo membership in the CFR. Russo turned him down.

riffenberg.wordpress.com...

Henry Kissinger
CONTROL THE OIL AND YOU CONTROL THE GOVERNMENT, CONTROL THE FOOD AND YOU CONTROL THE POPULATION

-–Henry Kissinger, circa 1970, author of the phrase, “Useless Eaters.”

U .S.House of Representatives Puts U.S. Oil and land under U.N Control, Bill Goes To Senate
Zbignew Brzezinski


National Security Advisor to Democratic President, Jimmy Carter, and Co-founder of the Trilateral Commission

“Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen…. “
“The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values. Soon it will be possible to assert almost continuous surveillance over every citizen and maintain up-to-date complete files containing even the most personal information about the citizen. These files will be subject to instantaneous retrieval by the authorities.”

From, “Between Two Ages”, by Brzezinski

Alice Bailey

ALICE BAILEY
Globalist Advocate
Of
One World Religion

Just as THE BIBLE predicted
For our END TIMES era.

“The day is dawning when all religions will be regarded as emanating from one great spiritual source ; all will be seen as unitedly providing the one root out of which the universal world religion will inevitably emerge.

Then there will be neither Christian nor heathen, neither Jew nor Gentile, but simply one great body of believers, gathered out of all the current religions.” —Alice Bailey & Djwhal Khul

"Alice Bailey who channeled the words "points of light" in the book Externalization of the Hierarchy which was published by the Lucis Trust, incorporated originally in New York as the Lucifer Publishing Company. Lucis Trust is a United Nations NGO and is actively involved in U.N. summits. Assistant Secretary General of the U.N. Robert Mueller credited the creation of his World Core Curriculum for education to the underlying teachings of Djwahl Kuhl via Alice Bailey's writings on the subject."

"The purpose of modern education is social engineering designed to program students into accepting this new world religion of global government. In 1947 John Dewey, the father of American public education said that education must teach "...establishment of a genuine world order, an order in which national sovereignty is subordinate to world authority... "

In 1947 National Education Association Associate Secretary William Carr writes in the NEA Journal that it is the job of teachers to:

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the idea of centralized global power should be of concern to anyone who considers themselves free.
one ruling party over the affairs of the planet doesn't leave a lot to the imagination. one only needs to look to north korea to see why.

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IF

You believe that

1. Genocidally murdering the global population down to 200 million is a wonderful idea, you'll love the NWO Marxist globalists.

2. ID chip implant monitoring your second by second activities, spending, writing, speaking is a wonderful straight-jacket to walk around in--you'll love the NWO Marxist globalists.

3. Being shot dead instantly for any infraction of the law by the local police without any trial or any other bother or fall-der-all is a wonderfully efficient idea of justice--you'll love the NWO Marxist globalists.

4. Maintaining all the surviving 200 million but the top elites as a serf/slave class like yourself at the lowest common denominator of bare subsistence is a wonderful idea--then you'll love the NWO Marxist globalists.

5. Destroying all private property and preventing private ownership of any kind is a wonderful idea--you'll love the NWO Marxist globalists . . . besides all those huge National parklands reserved for the elite's fun and naked games will be so beautiful to look at from a great distance.

6. Herding the masses into Soviet style dormitories and apartment blocks instead of individual dwellings is a wonderful idea--you'll love the NWO Marxist globalists.

7. Numbing brains, free will and free speech, free artistic expression into oblivion with drugs, mass hypnotic media mind control, instant extermination and other mechanisms of individual and group brain control is a great idea--You'll love the NWO Marxist globalists.

8. that literally worshiping satan under pain of death to not do so is a wonderful idea--you'll love the NWO Marxist globalists.

I could go on. Maybe you can kind of get the idea . . . a little bit . . .

IF

you have any brain or free will or objectivity left with which to think the least bit critically.

One of their main goals is to disarm the world. Nobody can own small arms.


Everytime in history a group of people is disarmed, they are slaughtered.

People think that NWO is bad because they think that only richest people will survive and everyone else will get killed or will be slaves for the rich people. People like to think negative on things they don't know, most people don't think that maybe NWO is to correct the mistakes that were made in history and are still present today.

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People think the NWO is bad because, conceptually, it is the antithesis of how order should exist to them. You are absolutely right in the idea that if we are ever to advance as a species, we must unite globally, but what this means is that the system of order, the Old World Order(the Era of Nations) must come to end. People are invested in the way things are, many people are unwilling to give up what they see as their liberty for the betterment of civilisation as a whole because the OWO spent a lot of time and money selling us a "have it your way" society.

Then again, that is MY perspective of it...

Thing is, the NWO is the OWO.

Insanity. Mankind has been one long struggle of breaking free from government. Now you want to turn the course of history upon its head? What gives you the right in the US or UK, etc., to tell somebody in Africa how they must live, what rules they must follow. Do you not understand that tehy only way for this to happen is for the entirety of our population to give up aspirations for personal liberty and freedom? To a small, centralized group of people who think they know better? Do you further understand that there will never have existed a situation where so few had so much power to oppress the many? Talk about a power trip those select few would be on.

The problem with my country, the US, and many others, is precisely what you advocate - government, a select few self appointed elite, have TOO MUCH control as it is. 1984, here we come.

The NWO is all good and well if you want your identity, rights, choices and free will stripped from you.
They will govern everything that will effect you.
I imagine it being a world a bit like in the book A Brave New World, only they're not making people, the people are already there for use and disposal

reply to post by definity


I suppose you are familiar with the Georgia Guidestones?

www.radioliberty.com...

Since they were erected, purportedly the goal now is a max of 200 million global population.

And, a forced reduction down to that ASAP.

. . . via WWIII, bioengineered plagues, etc. etc. etc.

Sooooooooo, in the interest of and support of globalism . . . are you volunteering to be injected with the plague immediately?

Or perhaps you would volunteer to be on the first front lines of WWIII?

Or perhaps you'll volunteer to have an iranian slice your head off as an infidel/non-Muslim?

Given . . . your view that the NWO is so wonderful and all . . .

reply to post by BO XIAN


Globalism, as it exists, is the product of Corporatism, not Marxism.

Originally posted by BO XIAN
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IF

You believe that

1. Genocidally murdering the global population down to 200 million is a wonderful idea, you'll love the NWO Marxist globalists.

2. ID chip implant monitoring your second by second activities, spending, writing, speaking is a wonderful straight-jacket to walk around in--you'll love the NWO Marxist globalists.

3. Being shot dead instantly for any infraction of the law by the local police without any trial or any other bother or fall-der-all is a wonderfully efficient idea of justice--you'll love the NWO Marxist globalists.

4. Maintaining all the surviving 200 million but the top elites as a serf/slave class like yourself at the lowest common denominator of bare subsistence is a wonderful idea--then you'll love the NWO Marxist globalists.

5. Destroying all private property and preventing private ownership of any kind is a wonderful idea--you'll love the NWO Marxist globalists . . . besides all those huge National parklands reserved for the elite's fun and naked games will be so beautiful to look at from a great distance.

6. Herding the masses into Soviet style dormitories and apartment blocks instead of individual dwellings is a wonderful idea--you'll love the NWO Marxist globalists.

7. Numbing brains, free will and free speech, free artistic expression into oblivion with drugs, mass hypnotic media mind control, instant extermination and other mechanisms of individual and group brain control is a great idea--You'll love the NWO Marxist globalists.

8. that literally worshiping satan under pain of death to not do so is a wonderful idea--you'll love the NWO Marxist globalists.

I could go on. Maybe you can kind of get the idea . . . a little bit . . .

IF

you have any brain or free will or objectivity left with which to think the least bit critically.

so your saying the world is going to turn into a giant North Korea?

reply to post by madhatr137


That's INACCURATE, at best.

Actually, the one world government folks originated Marxism AND the bastardized conglomerate monopolistic tyrannical form of capitalism and are determined to marry the two as the structure of the world system.

www.silverbearcafe.com...

CHAPTER SIX

THE ORIGIN OF COMMUNISM

In Chapter One, we find how the Illuminati created Communism to be used as an adversary against liberty. An indication of that fact came from a statement by Dr. Bella Dodd, who was a member of the National Committee of the U. S. Communist Party. She indicated that when their Board could not reach a decision, one of their members would go to the Waldorf Towers in New York City to consult with Arthur Goldsmith. Goldsmith's decision would later be confirmed by Communist officials in Russia. Goldsmith was not a Communist, but was a wealthy "capitalist." The Communist movement was created out of the roots of Socialism, in fact, President Hoover said: "Socialism is the forerunner of communism."

Socialistic ideas can be traced back to Plato's(427-347 BC) Republic, and English Statesman Sir Thomas More's(1478-1535) Utopia in 1516. Plato envisioned a society where marriage would be eliminated, all women would belong to all men, and all men would belong to all women. Women would be equal to men, working and fighting wars side by side. All children would be raised by the state. There would be a tri-level society consisting of the ruling class, the military class, and the working class. Private property would be eliminated, and the intellectuals would determine what was best for the lower classes.

Indian settlements were communistic. The Pilgrims and Virginia colonists tried them, but failed. Captain John Smith of Virginia said: "When our people were fed out of the common store, and labored jointly together, glad was he who could slip from his labor and sleep over his task..."

THE ULTIMATE GOAL OF COMMUNISM

Remember how communism started? It was a created, nurtured, and supported by the Illuminati as an opposing political ideology in order to achieve their goals. There is certainly enough evidence to indicate massive collusion, but as far as being controlled by the Illuminati, here is what Gary Allen wrote in his book None Dare Call It Conspiracy: "Indicative of this strange event which occurred in October of 1964. David Rockefeller, president of the Chase Manhattan Bank and Chairman of the Board of the Council on Foreign Relations, took a vacation in the Soviet Union. This is a peculiar place for the world's greatest "imperialist" to take his vacation, since much of the communist propaganda deals with taking all of David's wealth away from him and distributing it to 'the people.' A few days after Rockefeller ended his 'vacation' in the Kremlin, Nikita Khrushchev was recalled from a vacation at a Black Sea resort to learn that he had been fired. . . .



Rockefeller had just opened a Hong Kong branch of the Chase Manhattan, for trade with China, but since trade relations had broken off between Russia and China, because of an overbearing Khrushchev, Rockefeller got rid of the problem in order to stabilize the situation. He later formed the National Council for U.S./Red China Trade, with Gabriel Hauge (Manufacturers Hanover Trust), W. M. Blumenthal ( Bendix Corp.), John W. Hanley (Monsanto Chemicals), Donald Burnham (Westinghouse Electric), Thornton Wilson (Boeing Aircraft), William Hewitt (Deere & Co.), and Lucien Pye (Massachusetts Institute of Technology). In the Communist Manifesto, Karl Marx wrote about the abolition of private property, a progressive income tax, a central bank, and state control of the family, religion, and education, which are aspects of a Socialist government, the prelude to the utopian goal of Communism. Yet, they are part of our own political system, which has lead to the "convergence theory." The theory is, that while the Soviets would slowly move to the political right, the United States would be pushed to the left, with the two meeting in the middle as Social Democrats. And from there, it is only a small step to a socialist one-world government, or the New World Order. Norman Thomas (1884-1968 ) , known as the "conscience of America", who ran for President six times as a candidate of the Socialist Party, said: "The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of 'liberalism', they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened." . . . .

Global governance may not be bad in some respects, but what is absolutely crucial is the method by which it is introduced and what it means for the people of the world.

TPTB are not really introducing world governance, they are introducing world slavery and world eugenics which has absolutely nothing to do with decent global governance.

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Continued documentation from

Chapter One:

www.silverbearcafe.com...

THE ILLUMINATI

. . . . Changes like the ones . . . do not take place overnight. . . . a group which must have been growing for a long period of time, in order to obtain the power and influence necessary to achieve the global control now being exercised. . . . there is such a group.

And . . . congruent with, voicing the sentiments of seemingly a great number of ATSers . . . re Christianity . . .

The leader of this group was . . . , Dr. Adam Weishaupt, . . born 1748, . . .. 1753, he was converted to Catholicism by Baron Johann Adam Ickstatt, who turned the early training of the boy over to the Jesuits. Ickstatt, in 1742, had been appointed by the Jesuits to be the curator of the University in order to reorganize it. He had retired in 1765, but still controlled its policies.

Although Weishaupt later became a priest, he developed a distinct hatred for the Jesuits, and became an atheist. Given access to the private library of Ickstatt, his Godfather, the young man became interested in the works of the French philosophers, . . . . . . , Voltaire(1694-1778), a revolutionary who held liberal religious views, . . . in a letter to King Frederick II("the Great", a Mason): "Lastly, when the whole body of the Church should be sufficiently weakened and infidelity strong enough, the final blow (is) to be dealt by the sword of open, relentless persecution. A reign of terror (is) to be spread over the whole earth, and...continue while a Christian should be found obstinate enough to adhere to Christianity."

. . .

There's a wealth of historical facts in the links above. other sources . . .

americanbuilt.us...

"The Illuminati Order was preceded in the 1500's in Spain by the 'Alumbrados', a Christian heresy started by crypto-Jews called 'Marranos'. The founder of the Jesuit Order, Ignatius of Loyola, was a Marrano / Alumbrado. Thus when people today argue whether it is the Jesuits . . . or Illuminati who are responsible for our troubles, they are really talking about the same beast."
— Henry Makow

"For we are opposed around the world by a monolithic and ruthless CONSPIRACY that relies primarily on covert means for expanding it's sphere of influence — . . . vast human and material resources into the building of a tightly knit, highly efficient machine that combines military, diplomatic, intelligence, economic, scientific and political operations. It's preparations are CONCEALED, not published.. . . , not headlined. It's dissenters are SILENCED, not praised. No expenditure is questioned, no rumor is printed, no secret is revealed." — JFK


"We will gradually infiltrate their educational institutions and their political offices transforming them slowly into Marxist entities as we move toward universal [pretend] egalitarianism." [actually masses of slaves and serfs headed by a relatively small percentage of elites]— Max Horkheimer

July 18, 1993: CFR member and Trilateralist Henry Kissinger writes in The Los Angeles Times concerning NAFTA: "What Congress will have before it is not a conventional trade agreement but the architecture of a new international system.... a first step toward a new world order."

"For more than a century, ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum . . . to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions... . . . believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of CONSPIRING with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure - one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."
— David Rockefeller, Memoirs (2002 autobiography)

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americanbuilt.us...

Obama's Democrats Taking "Orders" From Republicans?
"Thank you for that wonderful tribute to Henry Kissinger yesterday. Congratulations. As the most recent National Security Advisor of the United States, I take my daily I take my daily orders from Dr. Kissinger, filtered down through General Brent Scowcroft and Sandy Berger, who is also here. We have a chain of command in the National Security Council that exists today." — U.S. National Security Adviser James L. Jones at the 45th Munic

reply to post by definity

so your saying the world is going to turn into a giant North Korea?

Actually, worse.

The Bible says it will be a time worse than the world has EVER experienced

AND

worse than the world will EVER experience again.

Buckle your seat belts.

Particularly if you don't know and walk with The King of Kings and Lord of Lords . . . Yeshua anointed of The Father.

a world government wouldnt be that bad in a first glance.....it could solve alot of problems and secure humanities survival......it will NEVER be idealistic or honor the things we think are necesary to a scoiety...like individual freedoms....but it would not be messy....I tell ya whaa.........

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Not be messy?

I consider the blood from 6 billion 800 million souls pretty messy . . . very messy.

Then there's all the corrupt evil that goes with an arrogant elite ruling over serfs and slaves.

Just think of all the rapes . . . alone . . . and the murders on pride-insulted-whims.

I guess for some, that might be recreation instead of "messy."