Nearly 20% of women in the US are raped, study reveals

Originally posted by Pixiefyre
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Oh that's bad I"m so sorry. I got swords ...no guns but a sword ;P Ill lend you one

I've got guns

That was 30 some years ago. We've all survived.

My older daughter was also a victim of a predator when she was in kindergarten. A teenage boy (unusual) flashed himself in the bushes near her school. He tried to get the girls to touch him. My daughter touched him with her finger. Any physical contact makes it a felony. He was found and placed in a juvenile program.

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While I'll admit that people are capable of almost anything, that story is pretty tough to chew and swallow. In the middle of a public classroom, in front of various people, some guy just randomly decides to forcibly penetrate a girl's vagina... hmm.

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I agree, that scenario is very bad and damaging. I have read about 2 cases that has happened with and it's horrible I agree. It not only hurts him it also hurts other females like my daughter who really have been, BTW the first time I mentioned with her, her symptoms were classic text book I found out after and she hid her clothes so I wouldn't wash them and her have to wear them again, we had dna evidence they wouldn't take it.

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I already presented my argument for "mentally ill" and how a planned rape is proof of mental illness. Its not something I'd ever like to see used as a defense in a court case, as I'm not talking about the incapability to control oneself.

so·ci·o·path   sociopath pronunciation [soh-see-uh-path, soh-shee-] noun Psychiatry. a person, as a psychopathic personality, whose behavior is antisocial and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.

Medically, they may not be sociopaths, but you can't tell me that that doesn't describe a rapist.

Originally posted by unworldly

Originally posted by eNumbra
Nobody thinks the mentally ill are rapists.

Then instead of being a contentious, obnoxious, intolerable jerk; accept the simple logic of your own words. Case rested.

What case? That you are overly-sensitive and better at name-calling?

Well played.

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Its a fact. If they weren't minors, and I wasn't indirectly involved, I'd love to give more details, but it is a fact, as crazy as it sounds.

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I"m glad and she got some justice, it compounds the damage when you go to the authorities for help and they do nothing

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She presented actual evidence that is contrary to your view, and still, you insist on arguing--rather than accept what--for all intents and purposes--should be plain common sense. Using the term "mentally ill" as a generic reference to rapists is not only wrong, but it isn't factual.

To all of you who deny the prevalence of rape and defend the idea that "rape is the fault of the victim", their are rapist out there who are giving a sigh of relief at the stupidity of those who refuse to deny ignorance on this subject. Rapist love those who blame the victim instead of the actual perpetrator of a crime.

A convenience store get robbed, we blame the criminal, a rape occurs, we give the criminal an excuse and say ... well, if the rapist victim hadn't been drinking, or wearing a mini skirt, or actually being alive, or...... what is your excuse that you give a rapist instead of realizing the rapist is a criminal worthy of blame?

Sometimes I wonder how many of those who give the rapist an excuse are rapist themselves who want to perpetuate the idea that it wasn't their fault they raped, it was the fault of the one who was raped.

Do people really think men are animals who cannot control themselves? Not me, I hold men to a much higher standard of respect than that. It surprises me that other men and many women do not. Why is it, that when a rapist rapes we somehow believe that someone else was in control of their emotions and actions? As if they were controlled by someone else ie: their victim? How is it, that we can sit and say that a human is not responsible for their actions by saying.... she wore a mini skirt so it's her fault and not the rapist fault?

Rape apologist make me almost as sick as the rapist themselves do.

Harm None
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Originally posted by unworldly
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While I'll admit that people are capable of almost anything, that story is pretty tough to chew and swallow. In the middle of a public classroom, in front of various people, some guy just randomly decides to forcibly penetrate a girl's vagina... hmm.

It happens.

People ignore. Don't want to get involved.

Originally posted by unworldly
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She presented actual evidence that is contrary to your view, and still, you insist on arguing--rather than accept what--for all intents and purposes--should be plain common sense.

Homosexuality was once a mental illness, once common sense and if everybody just accepted it and didn't argue it, it still would be so.

Things change, don't get upset just because you don't like being behind the curve.

Originally posted by unworldly
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

While I'll admit that people are capable of almost anything, that story is pretty tough to chew and swallow. In the middle of a public classroom, in front of various people, some guy just randomly decides to forcibly penetrate a girl's vagina... hmm.

Middle school classroom sexual assault

9 year old assaulted in classroom

16 year old assaulted in classroom

Happens.

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You speak as if this an commonplace, everyday event that's happening frequently all over the place. I can't possibly roll my eyes enough at this.

Would it be safe to say, then, that everyone should homeschool their female children; because there is apparently a pretty fair chance of them being sexually penetrated by force in the middle of their classrooms--while surrounded by the teacher and other students?

/facepalm

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After I found out about the first time with my daughter I did a lot of research and at that point they were saying 1 in 3 girls would sexually assaulted by the age of 18

Anyone who doesn't teach their children to scream bloody murder and become physically violent when someone tries to forcibly violate their body in some way, has utterly failed as a parent. Aside from that, this would be a natural reaction for most human beings, anyway.

There is no possible, conceivable way that a would-be abuser is going to be successful at sexually penetrating a female student in a classroom full of people if she is yelling and violently resisting. Either the abuser will be scared off, or the teacher and students will intervene. Nothing can convince me otherwise.

Originally posted by unworldly
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You speak as if this an commonplace, everyday event that's happening frequently all over the place. I can't possibly roll my eyes enough at this.

Would it be safe to say, then, that everyone should homeschool their female children; because there is apparently a pretty fair chance of them being sexually penetrated by force in the middle of their classrooms--while surrounded by the teacher and other students?

/facepalm

I don't support homeschooling - - unless there is a specific problem - - such as extreme bullying.

One year (only one) my daughter's primary school had an exchange program with another district. The kindergarten teacher discovered a 5 year old boy and girl - - having sex in the bathroom. Yes! Actual sex. The boy said he learned it from his uncle.

Public school assures every child has the right to an education (not every country offers free education). Sexual assault is not the only problem in public school. However - - the right of every child to an education takes priority.

I am raising an 11 year old granddaughter right now - - in public school. An absolutely stunning one - for that matter. It would be shocking to many how much the children of this generation know or are aware of. She is practically in "lock down" as we work with her in understanding her own world.

i have mixed feelings about this. one of my friends was "raped". she would say that she was raped, but in reality...i'm not sure that is the best word.

she was a complete flirt, and because of that, she's been dumped by most of her boyfriends. i guess it's one of those attention things. she dresses like a slut, and parades around in front of boys because she likes them fighting over her.

anyways, her boyfriend broke up with her because of this, and she went to the house of one of the boys she had been flirting with. they both got drunk, and things happened. do i think she was raped? not really. i think she was looking for the wrong things, and she found what she was looking for.

i'm not trying to blame victims, but how is someone a victim when they go looking for it? if a girl is a complete tease and dresses like a slut for attention, then she shouldn't be surprised when she gets sexually assaulted.

Originally posted by Bob Sholtz
i'm not trying to blame victims, but how is someone a victim when they go looking for it? if a girl is a complete tease and dresses like a slut for attention, then she shouldn't be surprised when she gets sexually assaulted.

NO means NO

If she said NO - - and the man ignored that - - she was raped. No matter the condition. No matter her behavior. No matter she is a flirt.

NO means NO - - - PERIOD!

Originally posted by unworldly
Anyone who doesn't teach their children to scream bloody murder and become physically violent when someone tries to forcibly violate their body in some way, has utterly failed as a parent..

I tried she and have always been very close so I made sure talk to her about those things before anyone else had a chance. And you know up until that day I always knew exactly where she was and when and would have been looking for her if she was more than 5 minutes late.

But it was the last day of her freshman year, we lived so close to the school I could ear the kids laughing from my porch and could walk less 1/2 a block to see the kids in front of the school. I kept looking and seeing kids there laughing and didn't wan to be OVER PROTECTIVE, I thought she was hanging out in front of the school with her friends before the summer started and they didn't see as much of each other..

And he was so much bigger than her and she was so scared that he would actually come and hurt me lie he threatened while she was at her father's for the summer and I was alone, everything we talked about went out the window in her panicv.

People, people, people... rapists are no more "terrorists," "evil," "mentally ill" than the rest of us.

Let me share a little story, and I'll explain. I have been raped, stalked and sexually assaulted in my past. It got to the point where I also thought all sex offenders should be castrated, because I thought they were sick, corrupt humans who did not deserve a place on this planet.

Then, when I got over my anger, I researched the subject for a long time trying to understand why there are so many sex offenders in the first place. It took me a long time to understand what I was seeing, so do the research for yourself before you assume you know what should be done to these people.

Look at our society. It is broken, and it breaks us all in the process. We are TERRIBLY sexually repressed. Women have to worry about being called "loose" or a "slut" for having sex, what do you think that does to them psychologically? Women don't just HAVE lower sex drives than men, they are repressed! Men are repressed as well, their needs will NEVER be met with sexually repressed women, and prostitution isn't an option for them either.

Look at the media and how overly sexed female pop stars are. Do you think that is a coincidence? Do you think there'd be SO much money in being that sexual if they weren't catering to a sexually repressed population? Why do you think porn is a HUGE industry?

I won't even start to mention religion besides to say that we are sexual beings and ANY institution that says otherwise, or tries to label sex as "bad" or a "sin" is trying to destroy the human spirit.


Heres a little scenario:

So what happens to little Billy when he grows up not being able to find a girlfriend. He feels rejected by women, and can't even pay for sex as an adult without having to worry about being arrested. He develops feelings of anger and resentment toward women, and blames them for his sexual repression (and feelings of rejection.) It will get to the point where he will find a way to meet those needs, and he won't feel bad about who he hurts in the process because from what he has seen on TV, women are all teases. Not realizing society is to blame for his suffering, he blames women and hurts them.

On the opposite end of the spectrum, the women who are raped may begin to develop anger and resentment toward men. They might start to believe that sex offenders are a "special" type of sicko that needs to be eradicated from the planet. They lobby to get MORE laws passed to lock these perverts away forever.

What few realize is that no amount of laws would stop a sex offender. Even if rape were punishable by death, we would still have just as many rape victims. If tougher laws on sex offenders made any difference, it MIGHT make more rape-murder victims because the rapist would see killing his victims to be a survival skill. If we want to fix the problem of sex offenders, we need to fix society. That does NOT mean worse punishments or harsher laws. It means we have to get out of everyone elses personal lives and stop sexually repressing eachother.

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Yes, no means no... but that is--for a fact--only one side of the coin. Everyone knows that there are certain women and young girls who talk, dress, and act provactively in order to attract sexual attention. They *like it* when guys want them. Some women thrive so much off of sexual energy that they will deliberately place themselves in situations to encourage a man's lust... just to watch him squirm and see how far he'll go.

In other words, things are not so easily separated into black and white; there are shades of gray. Rape "victims" in certain instances, can and should share in the blame.