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Originally posted by ElectricUniverse
reply to post by theovermensch
That is not true in all of America... For example, in a MOSTLY Republican state Wyoming, you can work for Pizza Hut for $15 an hour. Wyoming is one of the states that is doing great during the economic crisis.
Another thing, some people seem to think that "caring for the poor and middle classes is only what leftwing people and ideologies do"... This is NOT true, social programs don't have to be socialist...
Heck, before most of the "progressive ideas" were implemented Americans were able to pay for doctors to go to their home, they could buy houses without having to pay for years the house, and could pay cars without having to buy loans.
The wages are so low in the U.S. BECAUSE of "PROGRESS" not because there is any lack of "PROGRESS"...
edit on 10-12-2011 by ElectricUniverse because: (no reason given)
Text And you can thank Liberal Democrats and their union ties for that. Keeping the poor as a slave voting class.
Originally posted by wingsfan
because in america it is demonized. they brainwashed the feeble populace to root for the wealthy.
Originally posted by OptimusSubprime
reply to post by theovermensch
American politicians know that a person, especially if they have a family, can not live off of $7.25 an hour. The reason it is so low is because the power hungry, elitist politicians (Progressive Democrats) know that a minimum wage worker will need various forms of Government assistance in order to make ends meet, such as WIC, food stamps, Gov't housing, etc... They keep their position of power by enslaving poor people with the minimum wage, coupled with the entitlement/welfare programs. Democrats will tell poor people that the mean old Republicans want to take their food stamps away and that their kids will starve, so ignorant poor people actually believe this and continue to vote for Progressive Democrats, thereby perpetuating the problem generation after generation. If Politicians really cared about poor people they would make the minimum wage $15 an hour, but they can't do that because then poor people wouldn't be as poor, which means that they wouldn't need the government programs that the power hungry politicans control.
Originally posted by AshleyD
reply to post by theovermensch
Here in Australia it is $15.51 an hour.In Australia a 16 year old gets $7.34.
Why would a teenager earn half of the minimum wage? Just curious. Are employers over there allowed to discriminate pay based on age? I don't understand that.
To answer your question, 'minimum wage' is not the same as 'living wage.' It was never intended to be.
Originally posted by Misoir
The United States minimum wage has now risen to the same level (adjusted for 2009 $) as 1984. Between 1968 and 1990 the minimum wage had steadily dropped from its peak at just over $10 an hour at the end of Lyndon Johnson’s second term as President. Under Richard Nixon it dropped considerably from $10 to ~$7.25 then went back up under Carter fluctuating between $8-9 an hour until Ronald Reagan became President when it steadily dropped from about $8.30 to just below $6 at the end of his Presidency.
Why did the minimum wage drop so much under Ronald Reagan? He had argued, even in the debates with Carter, that the unemployment crisis was being exacerbated, especially among young blacks, by the high minimum wage which may require a higher wage being paid than the job is actually worth (according to the market) thus less jobs were available. This same general theory was tied into the policies of Neoliberalism which he brought into government, same with the policies of Thatcher (UK), and have not been abandoned by the ‘Conservatives’ since but has in fact been adopted by the ‘Third Way’, New Democrats (Clinton, Gore, Obama) and New Labour (Blair, Brown).
The late ‘70s stagflation allowed the monetarists on the Right to rise up against the Bretton Woods System of Keynesian economics which had been established to plan the economy in a way that would not permit a return of the 1930s Depression. But these policies were observed as failures, mostly due to the high spending of the Johnson and Nixon administrations (Great Society + Viet Nam War) which led Nixon to removing the Dollar from a gold backing causing mass inflation tied in with the oil crisis, this destroyed the Keynesian system. In Great Britain after the ‘Winter of Discontent’ the Dries rose up in the Tory Party to gain control under the leadership of Margaret Thatcher. This same battle was played out in the US between Reagan and Bush, Sr.
What does this have to do with the minimum wage? Well by arguing that we need jobs which were being stopped by the high minimum wage they lowered the minimum wage which allowed for new jobs to be created except this time they were from the services sector. Meanwhile the Neoliberal policies advocated the opening of borders for free-trade which encouraged industry to move abroad (also add in the high tax, regulations of the Keynesian era which had not been removed yet). Combined this allowed for more jobs to be created for lower pay and less economic security while exporting our manufacturing overseas without everyone noticing because they had jobs outside of this once crucial industry.
But the problem then became immigration which fueled the crisis. Since industry was being exported, encouraged by the ideology of free-trade, it also encouraged the importing of cheap foreign labor which undermines native labor costs. So in order for people to compete with these low-skilled, low-paid immigrants who were taking the jobs domestically, combined with them taking the jobs which had been exported, the Neoliberals were able to again sit at the table and argue that we should let minimum wage either stagnate our cut it further so that more jobs could be created.
The Neoliberals openly encouraged the mass immigration from the third world and the outsourcing of jobs to the third world all for the benefit of big business while having the right-wing cheer on free-trade (protectionism/fair trade is evil) and having the left-wing cheer on mass immigration (closed borders/quota system is evil). Big business got rich, the politicians got rich, we became poorer and sharp divisions were created in our nations based on the resentment towards immigrants who could not be assimilated. It was a win-win for the elite, a lose-lose for the workers.
edit on 12/9/2011 by Misoir because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by cloaked4u
Originally posted by MrWendal
Something has to be done to fix our economy. My thought was that this and other issues like how rent never went down during this recession in fact it went UP. THAT IS NOT RIGHT. Rent should be 425 a month for a 1 bedroom than 850 or higher here in MN.