Superman was a Socialist

Originally posted by Algernonsmouse

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
There are some threads that just make me sad to see..... The headline alone gave me a heavy heart. Reading the logic behind it just makes me feel sad. Nothing more or less... It's come to this. Superman a socialist? Mext we'll be saying Walt Disney really meant for Mickey to be a marxist. Fine..I get it.. We have a whole generation of people who see Che Guevara as a cultural hero. Ugh..thats enough to stomach and remain fairly quiet about. Please don't try and rewrite the history of cultural American icons though. Superman *WAS NOT* a Socialist. Thank you, very much.

This is what you are going to get. People that are upset because superman is not a socialist TO THEM. These people often display a great deal of ignorance about socialism and go out of their way to ignore the reality presented to them.

This post for example above. It makes him sad but he cannot articulate why. From post history, I am guessing it is the lack of understanding of the word socialism and this need to defend against that evil word at any cost.
Superman was a socialist by the standards of the people that worked on superman. You are just the reader. How much it upsets you does not change reality.
Get a dictionary.

Well, hello again. Interesting thread we had going on the cat vs snake, eh? You had some interesting view points over there. Now I may not have the pulse of what some people are calling socialism these days, although I believe I do get it just fine. When I think of Socialism or Communism, I think back to the 80's and the hangover being experienced from the 60's and 70's.

I didn't grow up hearing a President redefine sexual conduct in office. I grew up listening to Ronald Reagan and watching the last death throws of the Soviet Empire as it stood. EVIL Empire is what it was called then and I've never seen a reason to think of it otherwise. Now, I also look at Socialism as it's practiced in Cuba, North Korea and China. All have variations, to be sure...but same rotten lump at the core of it.

If someone means the Socialism of the Scandinavian nations, well, that is something else again. Not a bad thing, really. They've made it work well.....and they've also said themselves it's a question of scale which would never work in a nation the size of the United States. I'll take 'em at their word there. They would know. They are unique in making a form of socialism work over the long term...relatively speaking anyway.

If there is some other more specific way you'd like me to articulate what I find MOST repugnant about Socialism or how I feel it's MOST likely to lead to the same dead end of failure eventually...let me know. There are more than one to choose from...and this reply is already a bit long.

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
When I think of Socialism or Communism,

Sorry but that says it all right there. Communism is not Socialism and what you saw had nothing to do with socialism. It had to do with totalitarian regimes, power struggles, and a form of communism. At least the brainwashing of linking the two and painting them with an 80s red scare is still working.

No offense but when you thinkg of Socialism or Communism you are already confused.

If there is some other more specific way you'd like me to articulate what I find MOST repugnant about Socialism or how I feel it's MOST likely to lead to the same dead end of failure eventually...let me know. There are more than one to choose from...and this reply is already a bit long.

But look what a glaring success capitalism has been. First, let me know where to look for that. Point me to the political/economic structure that has been perfect. The US is not pure capitalist, it is highly infected with socialism so I am not sure where to look for this. I hope you know because you seem to be making the argument that because men who have had power failed, the ideology historically associated with them, accurate or not, those are bad ideas. Unfortunately pure capitalism leads to fascism so what do you like and where do you find it?

From the sound of your post, we grew up in the same time. I wonder if that changes your perspective on what you seem to think is my perspective or not.

BTW, thanks for calling my points in that thread "interesting." The words used in the U2Us I was getting were a lot less nice.

reply to post by Skyfloating


There is always a happy medium.

I think its clear that Superman would vote Ron Paul.

Originally posted by FailedProphet

Ever hear of Superman, Red Son?

Superman: Red Son is a three-issue prestige format comic book mini-series published b
y DC Comics that was released under their Elseworlds imprint in April 2003. Author Mark Millar created the comic with the premise "what if Superman had been raised in the Soviet Union?" It received critical acclaim and was nominated for the 2004 Eisner Award for best limited series.

The story mixes alternate versions of DC super-heroes with alternate-reality versions of real political figures such as Joseph Stalin and John F. Kennedy. The series spans approximately 1953-2001, save for a futuristic epilogue.

In Red Son, Superman's rocket ship lands on a Ukrainian collective farm rather than in Kansas, an implied reason being a small time difference (a handful of hours) from the original timeline, meaning Earth's rotation placed the Ukraine in the ship's path instead of Kansas. Instead of fighting for "...truth, justice, and the American Way", Superman is described in Soviet radio broadcasts "...as the Champion of the common worker who fights a never-ending battle for Stalin, socialism, and the international expansion of the Warsaw Pact." His "secret identity" (i.e. the name his adoptive parents gave him) is a state secret.

(More at wikipedia link above)

...and interestingly enough, in this universe, Batman is a kind of anarchist-dissident escapee from the Soviet Gulags

Batman as an anarchist dissident



I so have to get this comic.

reply to post by Algernonsmouse

Sorry but that says it all right there. Communism is not Socialism and what you saw had nothing to do with socialism. It had to do with totalitarian regimes, power struggles, and a form of communism. At least the brainwashing of linking the two and painting them with an 80s red scare is still working.

Perhaps that is the difference between talking in theory and looking at a potential reality we wake up to every morning as a new way of living in this country. In the strictest sense, you are right. Communism, Socialism and Marxism are actually 3 distinct ideologies. There again though, I see a distinction between them without enough difference to really argue at length with. The end result I have a mind to AVOID is just too likely given any of those 3 approaches. They aren't, after all, THAT distinct from each other.

I'm also more accustomed to debating the meat and potatos of the issue when this topic comes up, not the symantics of terminology. Collective this or Centrally planned that is common to them all and just one of many facets of that entire world view I have absolutely no desire to ever live under.

Now since America has been a market based system moving toward and away from Capitalist ideals over the course of it's 200+ year run, I think it's a perfectly fair thing to say that the minority who very much want Socialism in the United States can seek such a system elsewhere that it already exists. I see nothing extreme about suggesting the effort to turn America isn't something entirely different than it's ever been..and MOST of the population ever wants to see is ill conceived.

Does the U.S. need reform? Oh heck yes... I'll be first in line to demand it. Does the US need to be brought down for a total rebuild? No....and I'll stand just as fast to defend against THAT outcome from coming to pass.

Originally posted by theovermensch
reply to post by Skyfloating

 

There is always a happy medium.

I think its clear that Superman would vote Ron Paul.

ROFL..... Now on THAT we have 'consensus'

Text But look what a glaring success capitalism has been. First, let me know where to look for that. Point me to the political/economic structure that has been perfect. The US is not pure capitalist, it is highly infected with socialism so I am not sure where to look for this. I hope you know because you seem to be making the argument that because men who have had power failed, the ideology historically associated with them, accurate or not, those are bad ideas. Unfortunately pure capitalism leads to fascism so what do you like and where do you find it?

reply to post by Algernonsmouse

reply to post by Wrabbit2000


I wouldn't worry about what Superman thinks. He was a made up character, the only reason people would like him to be a socialist is because they can not find one in the history of their own movement who was a hero, but instead they were all murderous dictators or tyrants.

PS just wanted to say good work though, I applaud you.

And with that I am deleting this thread from my list now.

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Chavez has his own superhero

www.bloomberg.com...

Originally posted by Danbones

Superman renounces U.S. citizenship– latest victim of Globalist Propaganda

In the 900th issue of Action Comics coming out, featuring Superman, the decades long fictional icon renounces his U.S. citizenship and declares himself a “citizen of the universe”.

deadlinelive.info...


maybe things are even worse then you think OP s and f though

Ha!

Thanks for reading hey

First it was Hitler now its Superman. i count at LEAST half a week before a Jesus was a socialist thread pops up.

Superman was.. a super man. The idea being reflected at its heart was akin to Hercules or the idea of a material god that we weak pitiful types can aspire to.

... Though if you guys remember those old 50's comics.. and the Super pets. and super horse. sometimes ideas get distorted from their original draft.

Socialism included.

Also.. lets not judge the merit of an idea by their participants. or.. unsung mascots. People... characters.. deeds should stand on their own.

reply to post by Huggiesunrise


I was thinking about a Jesus was a socialist thread. He must have been a socialist when you think about it

Originally posted by Huggiesunrise
First it was Hitler now its Superman. i count at LEAST half a week before a Jesus was a socialist thread pops up.

Superman was.. a super man. The idea being reflected at its heart was akin to Hercules or the idea of a material god that we weak pitiful types can aspire to.

... Though if you guys remember those old 50's comics.. and the Super pets. and super horse. sometimes ideas get distorted from their original draft.

Socialism included.

Also.. lets not judge the merit of an idea by their participants. or.. unsung mascots. People... characters.. deeds should stand on their own.

'Jesus was a socialist' has a facebook page
www.facebook.com...

It makes perfect sense really.

There are more posts defending Superman and his ultra American-ness.
He was an illegal immigrant that just invaded our country without following the proper legal steps.

Let me hear those conservatives frothing at the mouth to defend the illegal against charges of socialism.