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Originally posted by Algernonsmouse
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
There are some threads that just make me sad to see..... The headline alone gave me a heavy heart. Reading the logic behind it just makes me feel sad. Nothing more or less... It's come to this. Superman a socialist? Mext we'll be saying Walt Disney really meant for Mickey to be a marxist. Fine..I get it.. We have a whole generation of people who see Che Guevara as a cultural hero. Ugh..thats enough to stomach and remain fairly quiet about. Please don't try and rewrite the history of cultural American icons though. Superman *WAS NOT* a Socialist. Thank you, very much.
This is what you are going to get. People that are upset because superman is not a socialist TO THEM. These people often display a great deal of ignorance about socialism and go out of their way to ignore the reality presented to them.
This post for example above. It makes him sad but he cannot articulate why. From post history, I am guessing it is the lack of understanding of the word socialism and this need to defend against that evil word at any cost.
Superman was a socialist by the standards of the people that worked on superman. You are just the reader. How much it upsets you does not change reality.
Get a dictionary.
Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
When I think of Socialism or Communism,
If there is some other more specific way you'd like me to articulate what I find MOST repugnant about Socialism or how I feel it's MOST likely to lead to the same dead end of failure eventually...let me know. There are more than one to choose from...and this reply is already a bit long.
Originally posted by FailedProphet
Ever hear of Superman, Red Son?
Superman: Red Son is a three-issue prestige format comic book mini-series published b
y DC Comics that was released under their Elseworlds imprint in April 2003. Author Mark Millar created the comic with the premise "what if Superman had been raised in the Soviet Union?" It received critical acclaim and was nominated for the 2004 Eisner Award for best limited series.
The story mixes alternate versions of DC super-heroes with alternate-reality versions of real political figures such as Joseph Stalin and John F. Kennedy. The series spans approximately 1953-2001, save for a futuristic epilogue.
In Red Son, Superman's rocket ship lands on a Ukrainian collective farm rather than in Kansas, an implied reason being a small time difference (a handful of hours) from the original timeline, meaning Earth's rotation placed the Ukraine in the ship's path instead of Kansas. Instead of fighting for "...truth, justice, and the American Way", Superman is described in Soviet radio broadcasts "...as the Champion of the common worker who fights a never-ending battle for Stalin, socialism, and the international expansion of the Warsaw Pact." His "secret identity" (i.e. the name his adoptive parents gave him) is a state secret.
(More at wikipedia link above)
...and interestingly enough, in this universe, Batman is a kind of anarchist-dissident escapee from the Soviet Gulags
Sorry but that says it all right there. Communism is not Socialism and what you saw had nothing to do with socialism. It had to do with totalitarian regimes, power struggles, and a form of communism. At least the brainwashing of linking the two and painting them with an 80s red scare is still working.
reply to post by Algernonsmouse
Text But look what a glaring success capitalism has been. First, let me know where to look for that. Point me to the political/economic structure that has been perfect. The US is not pure capitalist, it is highly infected with socialism so I am not sure where to look for this. I hope you know because you seem to be making the argument that because men who have had power failed, the ideology historically associated with them, accurate or not, those are bad ideas. Unfortunately pure capitalism leads to fascism so what do you like and where do you find it?
Originally posted by Danbones
Superman renounces U.S. citizenship– latest victim of Globalist Propaganda
In the 900th issue of Action Comics coming out, featuring Superman, the decades long fictional icon renounces his U.S. citizenship and declares himself a “citizen of the universe”.
maybe things are even worse then you think OP s and f though
Originally posted by Huggiesunrise
First it was Hitler now its Superman. i count at LEAST half a week before a Jesus was a socialist thread pops up.
Superman was.. a super man. The idea being reflected at its heart was akin to Hercules or the idea of a material god that we weak pitiful types can aspire to.
... Though if you guys remember those old 50's comics.. and the Super pets. and super horse. sometimes ideas get distorted from their original draft.
Also.. lets not judge the merit of an idea by their participants. or.. unsung mascots. People... characters.. deeds should stand on their own.