My new movement, We are the 98%

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

Okay, let's keep it all real here. Occupy has had a major issue from the beginning and it's one of the main ones that are turning off the very public it needs to work hard for the sympathy and support of. It's this whole 'poor us...we've done absolutely nothing...why would mean old po-lice want to come bother us' attitude coming across in statements in the OWS sites, chat rooms and on camera statements.

Occupy is working hard for the public, it is the public; just the ones who are smart enough to open their eyes. I bet you and most people would say the exact same thing in their position; honestly tell me what you would say/do if a cop beat you for no reason?

Those reports are silly. Firstly its been a trend to label any wrong doer a protester, so half of these reports may be people not even associated with occupy. And please don’t tell me the media wouldn’t do that.
Drugs are involved with all groups, demographics and societies. Just as many cops arresting the protesters use them or the politicians sanctioning police action etc...
I don’t see the problem with having body armour and weapons when they are having their constitutional rights broken.
Half of the reports are to do with police anyway and they are the ones escalating the situation.

Unfortunately, OWS is still made up of and tolerating a rough and 'raw' (to be nice about it) element of the homeless and streets around the camps. It would bring a great deal of credibility as well as a possible increase in public support if the problem were simply acknowledged and dealt with head on rather than ignored and pushed aside as if it wasn't actually happening regularly at so many of the camps. The core protesters have never been the real issue on the problems...it's the entire crowd joining up around them, IMHO.

Come on, everyone knows now that occupy is not all homeless hippies or whatever and we all know that they have strong support from all walks of life. Also why should they not tolerate homeless people? Shame on you for thinking anything like that.
I don’t see what problems your talking about, they are no different from any groups like politicians, priests, teachers, military; you cant single them out for a problem that affects every group of people.

reply to post by beezzer

I belong to "individual".

And 99% of the individuals on this planet are being screwed; hence the name.
You don’t have to be in attendance, just know we are fighting for you too.

Originally posted by WakeUpRiseUp
reply to post by beezzer

 

I belong to "individual".

And 99% of the individuals on this planet are being screwed; hence the name.
You don’t have to be in attendance, just know we are fighting for you too.

Don't know what to say.

Er, thank you.

reply to post by beezzer
Everyone will see what we are fighting for soon enough.

reply to post by whoshotJR


this is truly absurd and i can't believe the Fed is getting away with this. For those of you on this site that do not support the OWS movement then shame on you 100%. this is corruption at is finest and without the OWS movement, we wouldve never heard about this. take a quick 15 minutes and watch this youtube video because it will really open your eyes to the f-ed up world we live in. it is entitled DEAR TAXPAYER THE OWS MOVIE and is 15 minutes essentially watching the crooks of the Fed and the US Government lying to congress. It's also 15 minutes of straight CSPAN which no american in their right mind watches because they think its boring. If you do not support the movement please show respect and watch the short film because it relates to not only the movement, but to every single American that pays taxes (aka everyone)

www.youtube.com...

Originally posted by whoshotJR
I have decided I would like to start a new movement, we are the 98%. Unlike the other 2% we have a clear defined message.

We the 98% are getting really sick of the 1% who are breaking the law at OWS movements and stealing our tax dollars while they sit on unemployment and cause massive havoc in the towns we love.

Okay, I can buy that. The OWS movement is the work of Canadian Socialists — let's just call it what it is — backed up by Liberal activists in America, including Van Jones and Acorn. The Democrat Party intends to use Occupy footage for election campaign purposes (and is, in fact, already using OWS for fundraising)... Which is about the only practical purpose of OWS. Otherwise, it's a total FAIL.

Originally posted by whoshotJR
We the 98% are also sick of the 1% who are corrupt and somehow can get laws passed that allow one of the largest companies in the US to pay less then the average person in taxes.

We the 98% are tired of the finger pointing of "its Republicans or Democrats faults". We the 98% just want it fixed and we want our leaders to know right from wrong and not be swayed by the other 2%.

That is my movement and sadly you are the 98% even if you don't like it because well... I said so and its a percent thing.

How do you feel about the new movement you have now joined?

Well, forming a movement based on a non-movement is more than a little naive. See, Occupy was intended to be a DISTRACTION, a marketing ploy, to keep us "occupied," as it were, while the REAL TERRORISTS in the U.S. Congress march us down the grim path to socialism and one-world government.

Frankly, creating ANOTHER ineffectual "movement" or flash mob based on an ineffectual marketing ploy IS NOT the answer to our global conundrum.


— Doc Velocity

Originally posted by WakeUpRiseUp
reply to post by whoshotJR

 

I stopped listening at:

stealing our tax dollars

You clearly dont understand how the world works.

I'd say that whenever the government appropriates your tax dollars and then wastes them on pet projects and cronyism that you could consider the money stolen. Perhaps "immoral confiscation" would make you happier?

EDIT: Okay, I read your second post where you talked about how you already consider tax money to be stolen before the 1% ends up with it (on that we agree)...I still don't quite get what you meant about not understanding how the world works in your above reply to whoshotJR...

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Make that 4 beezzer.

Im in, and I dont need diapers..............yet.

Originally posted by sonnny1
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Make that 4 beezzer.

Im in, and I dont need diapers..............yet.

We can have the Grumpy Old Man Party.

Our platform?
We are the 4. (make room for Neo, maybe 5)

Our issues?
Get off my damned lawn!
Where are my pills?
My hip hurts (again)
My spleen hurts (again)

What we Occupy?
Front porch.
The La-Z-Boy
The toilet.

Originally posted by WakeUpRiseUp[
Occupy is working hard for the public, it is the public; just the ones who are smart enough to open their eyes.

Okay, one the first point. No, Occupy does not speak for the public and you absolutely do NOT speak for me. You're speaking for a segment of the public which does not come remotely close to "99%" and never will. At the very LEAST, Occupy has made painfully clear by it's members from coast to coast in signs, interviews and the like that those in the far right or Tea Party need not bother. In MOST camps...our point of view isn't requested. Fine... thats almost 50% of the public excluded right there and from the word go. That works though since the actions and behavior of OWS on a daily basis have made that feeling MORE than mutual by now. That DOES make the 99% claim something far from accurate though, now doesn't it?

Those reports are silly. Firstly its been a trend to label any wrong doer a protester, so half of these reports may be people not even associated with occupy.

You have got to be kidding me. I understand Occupy has deployed a full blown propaganda..err....media..wing and offensive. I've watched the numerous 100%, absolute and without ANY deviation OWS cheerleaders arrive and jump right in. Most seem to have arrived with sign-up dates in Nov or late Oct actually... odd with that, huh? However, I'm sorry, but I call a total fail on your reply to that point. You just choose to again, ignore the fact the problem even exists. Gee... MOST of these happen *INSIDE* the boundaries of an OWS camp or within YARDS of it....yet, it's still those mysterious 'other people' and not OWS. Of course not... OWS is entirely and without exception, made up of good law abiding, God fearing folk peacefully looking for change right? Not a single convict, fugitive or parolee among 'em...anywhere, is there? Yeah.. right.. whatever. This kind of reply is what loses you public support.

Come on, everyone knows now that occupy is not all homeless hippies or whatever and we all know that they have strong support from all walks of life. Also why should they not tolerate homeless people? Shame on you for thinking anything like that.

No... Occupy isn't entirely made up of homeless people, criminal fugitives, convicts and predatory criminals. I'd give that about a 20-30% make up from what I've seen with my own eyeballs and watched countless nights over the live feeds all over the nation. It isn't even close to a majority...but it never needs to be, does it? A couple bad cops have you condemning the entire department they may come from...but numerous members of a camp can be a serious problem yet that should never reflect on the camp itself? Okay... double standards abound here and again, it's what is costing your movement everything in public support and sympathy. No one faults Ocupy for having the problem.....but failing to deal with it is intolerable to the public around your camps.

Shame on me? No.... There is an element among the homeless and particularly in the rough and wild downtown homeless community of most major cities that is chronic and as much there by choice and acceptance as anything else. You've decided to set your camps up in locations that were OWNED by this homeless element before you arrived and will be owned by them years after you're gone. Embracing that element has all but destroyed the movement I dedicated my time and effort to for a period of time.

I don’t see what problems your talking about, they are no different from any groups like politicians, priests, teachers, military; you cant single them out for a problem that affects every group of people.

Okay, if by now you're still going to simply sit there and stubbornly say 'it doesn't exist...it doesn't exist...it doesn't exist..' and 'well...if it does actually exist..it's other people..yeah yeah thats it...other people who happen to be right in the same camp..but not OUR people..!'.

I can't argue that level of stubborn. The problems are legion, to borrow a phrase. They are public and they are there for the REST of the 99% to see in full living color or video in most cases. The site linked has over 320 incidents *ALL* individually linked to the LOCAL media story giving full details of each one of the listings. Arguing even a fair % would be entertaining to watch..but even trying to debate on the straight facts never seems to be the tactic by OWS media folk..so why bother asking. You deny the problem exists at all, everyone else watches that problem get worse...and it goes on.

Haven't you begun to notice even the media who once loved your movement, is turning agaiinst you? Shouldn't that have rung some bells and sent up some flags? Instead...Occupy has come to almost take pride in it. Well...Therein lies an excellent example of why OWS is doomed to failure. It isn't the message and never was....The message is GOOD. It's the approach.

reply to post by whoshotJR


The occupy movement is not American. It is world wide occupation with over 1200 occupations world wide to date...

If you think people at the occupy movement are stealing your taxes you do not have a clue why they are protesting..
Every dollar has already been stolen. The federal reserve is a private company and every dollar printed is a debt owed with interest to a private company..

It does not stop there the same families that own the central bank in the US own most of the central banks worldwide. They do not just own the central banks they also own the corporations, the news channels, your worlds energy sources, your government and in there eyes you.

So whilst you sit there feeling sorry for yourself that someone else is getting a little piece of the pie. Remember they have you just were they want you.. Bickering among yourselves.. It is simple divide and rule.

Do not worry too much about people breaking the law if it is a good cause. It is called activism and is a type of civil disobedience. It is a very empowering and effective way of protesting.. Do you think the Boston Tea Party would have happened if people never broke the law or do you think that women in the UK would have got the vote if people were not willing to break the law...

There is nothing wrong with standing up and being counted. The more people that do it, the more effective protest will be. I have been arrested for activism and would again. When law has no respect for humanity. Humanity should have no respect for the law...

reply to post by Wrabbit2000

No, Occupy does not speak for the public and you absolutely do NOT speak for me. You're speaking for a segment of the public which does not come remotely close to "99%" and never will.

I'm sure you would agree that money controls almost everything in this world today, no?
If someone controls the thing that controls everything, is that not something that affects everyone?
How does it not speak for you when a group speaks out about the dictators who control what shouldn’t be controlled so wholly.
Occupy speaks for much more then you think, media would have you believe that we are the 1%; but it is now clear we speak for upwards of 50% of the population. This will become obvious soon enough, and even those like yourself who do not support our ideas now, will end up supporting them soon enough.

In MOST camps...our point of view isn't requested. Fine... thats almost 50% of the public excluded right there and from the word go. That works though since the actions and behavior of OWS on a daily basis have made that feeling MORE than mutual by now. That DOES make the 99% claim something far from accurate though, now doesn't it?

What do you mean? These camps want all peoples point of view, they probably just don’t listen to things to the point of 'let’s not take action and wait for stuff to get worse'. We don’t exclude you, you just need to open your eyes and realise what your saying, look at what you’re defending and ask yourself why.
Occupy does represent the 99% because the problems they are raising affect everyone, or at least will obviously affect everyone soon enough.

You have got to be kidding me. I understand Occupy has deployed a full blown propaganda..err....media..wing and offensive. I've watched the numerous 100%, absolute and without ANY deviation OWS cheerleaders arrive and jump right in. Most seem to have arrived with sign-up dates in Nov or late Oct actually... odd with that, huh? However, I'm sorry, but I call a total fail on your reply to that point. You just choose to again, ignore the fact the problem even exists. Gee... MOST of these happen *INSIDE* the boundaries of an OWS camp or within YARDS of it....yet, it's still those mysterious 'other people' and not OWS. Of course not... OWS is entirely and without exception, made up of good law abiding, God fearing folk peacefully looking for change right? Not a single convict, fugitive or parolee among 'em...anywhere, is there? Yeah.. right.. whatever. This kind of reply is what loses you public support.

Any right wing organisation with a voice has attacked them with biased propaganda; yet this appears to be the only place you take your views from. What do you mean ows cheerleaders jump right in?
That’s not a fail, it’s a fail to believe all these stupid statistics like gospel. I’m not ignoring the facts because many of them probably aren’t fact, and I know a problem exists but like I said this problem is everywhere in every type of group; you can’t single them out because you can use the same argument on any group. There are no boundaries of an ows camp, anyone can enter; how do you, the police or media know they are protesters? The movement is peaceful and like I said problems that affect every group should not be used to damn the whole movement because you know that’s childish.

No... Occupy isn't entirely made up of homeless people, criminal fugitives, convicts and predatory criminals. I'd give that about a 20-30% make up from what I've seen with my own eyeballs and watched countless nights over the live feeds all over the nation. It isn't even close to a majority...but it never needs to be, does it? A couple bad cops have you condemning the entire department they may come from...but numerous members of a camp can be a serious problem yet that should never reflect on the camp itself? Okay... double standards abound here and again, it's what is costing your movement everything in public support and sympathy. No one faults Ocupy for having the problem.....but failing to deal with it is intolerable to the public around your camps.

Wow you really do love regurgitating whatever the media shouts out you don’t you. 20-30%, really? Prove it.
There are no more criminals in this group of people then any other group of people around the world; you know I could give you the same views on any groups, professions or whatever.
I don’t think its a couple bad cops when clearly all of them are using illegal force on fellow citizens. There wouldn’t be many there that haven’t been ordered to go on the offensive, because that’s clearly what they are there for. Even the slightest touch is assault in this case, they don’t have to be full on swinging batons.

I don’t know where your looking but public support for occupy is clearly growing daily by huge numbers.

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reply to post by Wrabbit2000

Shame on me? No.... There is an element among the homeless and particularly in the rough and wild downtown homeless community of most major cities that is chronic and as much there by choice and acceptance as anything else. You've decided to set your camps up in locations that were OWNED by this homeless element before you arrived and will be owned by them years after you're gone. Embracing that element has all but destroyed the movement I dedicated my time and effort to for a period of time.

Yes shame on you, you clearly have a problem with people of a lower socio economic standing then you. There is 'an element' once again among all groups and demographics.
Also why do you think that homeless people have these problems? Hmm might be because of the things occupy are trying to stop.
What are you talking about man? You’re an idiot; it has not affected the movement in anyway. You sound like Hitler or something, get over yourself and stop discriminating.

Okay, if by now you're still going to simply sit there and stubbornly say 'it doesn't exist...it doesn't exist...it doesn't exist..' and 'well...if it does actually exist..it's other people..yeah yeah thats it...other people who happen to be right in the same camp..but not OUR people..!'.

Clearly that is not what I am saying so please dont put words in my mouth.

Haven't you begun to notice even the media who once loved your movement, is turning agaiinst you? Shouldn't that have rung some bells and sent up some flags? Instead...Occupy has come to almost take pride in it. Well...Therein lies an excellent example of why OWS is doomed to failure. It isn't the message and never was....The message is GOOD. It's the approach.

When did the mainstream media support us? Why if that was true would that have rung bells? Why would we listen to what people who have always had an opposite agenda have to say?
Right so you’re against the approach. You sound like the group of people who would are just too lazy to actually do anything, you would probably be happy having future generations living like crap in a destroyed world. Put simply you are selfish and if you support the message then help the message. This is the first movement to raise the real voice of the people ever and it is waking people up, why not help that? If not, ask yourself what you are defending.

Occupy’s numbers are growing daily; we speak the message that majority now supports and the problems we fight affect everyone.
You can sit around and continue to complain and moan, which you are clearly good at. Or you can get up and do something before it gets too bad.
If not for yourself; do it for future generations at least, or at least the billions living in poverty.

We could probably talk right past each other for pages if we both were willing to continue wasting time with this. The fact of the matter is, you are in Occupy and you have everything to gain and nothing to lose by presenting the most positive aspects and pretending like nothing else exists. That is fine and I understand it. I saw the tactics and the thinking when I was in camp and helping a bit in the media operations for our set up. No one expects Occupy to focus on the negative.....it's the whole idea of flat out denying the bad exists at all that just can't be tolerated in an open society.

You have every right to your own opinion. You don't have the right to your own version of the facts to support it. It's like Bagdhad Bob telling the world that the United States was being defeated far from Badhdad as the screaming engines of M1 Abhrams Main Battle Tanks could be heard a few blocks over. In this case you're telling me conservatives are all perfectly welcome and step on in... heck, there is absolutely no reason not to.

Perhaps you'll excuse the time it takes us conservatives to join you inside a camp. You see, there are all these people holding signs saying how evil we are and how we can all just go do the world a favor and drop dead we have to get around and past before hearing more about how the Right Wing of politics is 100% welcome into the OWS movement.

I'd really debated whether to say anything more here or not....and this is my last note to this particular thread. It isn't that I dislike ya...It's just that this whole OWS topic is taking on the same pointless and militant polarization of the Abortion debate anymore. You 100% SUPPORT OWS. Others 100% HATE OWS. You will NOT change their minds...they will NOT change your mind. Debate isn't productive..it's combative for the sheer sake of the fight more and more. Many like me seem caught in the middle as I'm NOT 100% against Occupy and NEVER have been. I'm just for from the 100% support position I once sat with.