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Occupy is working hard for the public, it is the public; just the ones who are smart enough to open their eyes. I bet you and most people would say the exact same thing in their position; honestly tell me what you would say/do if a cop beat you for no reason?
Okay, let's keep it all real here. Occupy has had a major issue from the beginning and it's one of the main ones that are turning off the very public it needs to work hard for the sympathy and support of. It's this whole 'poor us...we've done absolutely nothing...why would mean old po-lice want to come bother us' attitude coming across in statements in the OWS sites, chat rooms and on camera statements.
Come on, everyone knows now that occupy is not all homeless hippies or whatever and we all know that they have strong support from all walks of life. Also why should they not tolerate homeless people? Shame on you for thinking anything like that.
Unfortunately, OWS is still made up of and tolerating a rough and 'raw' (to be nice about it) element of the homeless and streets around the camps. It would bring a great deal of credibility as well as a possible increase in public support if the problem were simply acknowledged and dealt with head on rather than ignored and pushed aside as if it wasn't actually happening regularly at so many of the camps. The core protesters have never been the real issue on the problems...it's the entire crowd joining up around them, IMHO.
I belong to "individual".
Originally posted by WakeUpRiseUp
reply to post by beezzer
I belong to "individual".
And 99% of the individuals on this planet are being screwed; hence the name.
You don’t have to be in attendance, just know we are fighting for you too.
Originally posted by whoshotJR
I have decided I would like to start a new movement, we are the 98%. Unlike the other 2% we have a clear defined message.
We the 98% are getting really sick of the 1% who are breaking the law at OWS movements and stealing our tax dollars while they sit on unemployment and cause massive havoc in the towns we love.
Originally posted by whoshotJR
We the 98% are also sick of the 1% who are corrupt and somehow can get laws passed that allow one of the largest companies in the US to pay less then the average person in taxes.
We the 98% are tired of the finger pointing of "its Republicans or Democrats faults". We the 98% just want it fixed and we want our leaders to know right from wrong and not be swayed by the other 2%.
That is my movement and sadly you are the 98% even if you don't like it because well... I said so and its a percent thing.
How do you feel about the new movement you have now joined?
Originally posted by WakeUpRiseUp
reply to post by whoshotJR
I stopped listening at:You clearly dont understand how the world works.
stealing our tax dollars
Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by beezzer
Make that 4 beezzer.
Im in, and I dont need diapers..............yet.
Originally posted by WakeUpRiseUp[
Occupy is working hard for the public, it is the public; just the ones who are smart enough to open their eyes.
Those reports are silly. Firstly its been a trend to label any wrong doer a protester, so half of these reports may be people not even associated with occupy.
Come on, everyone knows now that occupy is not all homeless hippies or whatever and we all know that they have strong support from all walks of life. Also why should they not tolerate homeless people? Shame on you for thinking anything like that.
I don’t see what problems your talking about, they are no different from any groups like politicians, priests, teachers, military; you cant single them out for a problem that affects every group of people.
I'm sure you would agree that money controls almost everything in this world today, no?
No, Occupy does not speak for the public and you absolutely do NOT speak for me. You're speaking for a segment of the public which does not come remotely close to "99%" and never will.
What do you mean? These camps want all peoples point of view, they probably just don’t listen to things to the point of 'let’s not take action and wait for stuff to get worse'. We don’t exclude you, you just need to open your eyes and realise what your saying, look at what you’re defending and ask yourself why.
In MOST camps...our point of view isn't requested. Fine... thats almost 50% of the public excluded right there and from the word go. That works though since the actions and behavior of OWS on a daily basis have made that feeling MORE than mutual by now. That DOES make the 99% claim something far from accurate though, now doesn't it?
Any right wing organisation with a voice has attacked them with biased propaganda; yet this appears to be the only place you take your views from. What do you mean ows cheerleaders jump right in?
You have got to be kidding me. I understand Occupy has deployed a full blown propaganda..err....media..wing and offensive. I've watched the numerous 100%, absolute and without ANY deviation OWS cheerleaders arrive and jump right in. Most seem to have arrived with sign-up dates in Nov or late Oct actually... odd with that, huh? However, I'm sorry, but I call a total fail on your reply to that point. You just choose to again, ignore the fact the problem even exists. Gee... MOST of these happen *INSIDE* the boundaries of an OWS camp or within YARDS of it....yet, it's still those mysterious 'other people' and not OWS. Of course not... OWS is entirely and without exception, made up of good law abiding, God fearing folk peacefully looking for change right? Not a single convict, fugitive or parolee among 'em...anywhere, is there? Yeah.. right.. whatever. This kind of reply is what loses you public support.
Wow you really do love regurgitating whatever the media shouts out you don’t you. 20-30%, really? Prove it.
No... Occupy isn't entirely made up of homeless people, criminal fugitives, convicts and predatory criminals. I'd give that about a 20-30% make up from what I've seen with my own eyeballs and watched countless nights over the live feeds all over the nation. It isn't even close to a majority...but it never needs to be, does it? A couple bad cops have you condemning the entire department they may come from...but numerous members of a camp can be a serious problem yet that should never reflect on the camp itself? Okay... double standards abound here and again, it's what is costing your movement everything in public support and sympathy. No one faults Ocupy for having the problem.....but failing to deal with it is intolerable to the public around your camps.
Yes shame on you, you clearly have a problem with people of a lower socio economic standing then you. There is 'an element' once again among all groups and demographics.
Shame on me? No.... There is an element among the homeless and particularly in the rough and wild downtown homeless community of most major cities that is chronic and as much there by choice and acceptance as anything else. You've decided to set your camps up in locations that were OWNED by this homeless element before you arrived and will be owned by them years after you're gone. Embracing that element has all but destroyed the movement I dedicated my time and effort to for a period of time.
Clearly that is not what I am saying so please dont put words in my mouth.
Okay, if by now you're still going to simply sit there and stubbornly say 'it doesn't exist...it doesn't exist...it doesn't exist..' and 'well...if it does actually exist..it's other people..yeah yeah thats it...other people who happen to be right in the same camp..but not OUR people..!'.
When did the mainstream media support us? Why if that was true would that have rung bells? Why would we listen to what people who have always had an opposite agenda have to say?
Haven't you begun to notice even the media who once loved your movement, is turning agaiinst you? Shouldn't that have rung some bells and sent up some flags? Instead...Occupy has come to almost take pride in it. Well...Therein lies an excellent example of why OWS is doomed to failure. It isn't the message and never was....The message is GOOD. It's the approach.