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posted on Sep, 9 2004 @ 10:19 PM
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Originally posted by PublicGadfly
Mirthful cites Audie Murphy-
Super hero- was NOT a mason when he became a hero- eh

Like I have said before, I know a lot of good masons. The were good men before they became masons except in an extremely rare case I imagine this is always so. Masonry did not make them good. They tried to make masonry good.


Quite correct GD, Audie Murphy was too young to become a Mason when he joined the Army, and went on to his heroic destiny, however he was a hero when he became a Mason. Audie Murphy enjoyed a fair amount of notoriety when he returned to the U.S.... Hollywood, swimming pools, movie stars... yet he chose Freemasonry to be a part of his life. He didn't join the Blue Lodge, SRSJ, and Shrine to rescue them, he joined them because he was first made a Mason in his heart, then in a Lodge, as all that have gone before, and since. You may take that statement and attempt your usual convolutions of logic (and prose), but the fact remains, Masons and Freemasonry have had a positive impact on the world from a single Mason extending relief within his community to a organization like the Shrine providing free healthcare to children across a continent.




posted on Sep, 10 2004 @ 12:40 AM
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Masonry attracts good men (like Audie Murphy, Black Jack Pershing, Fiorello Laguardia, Gerald Ford, Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin, etc etc) to the fraternity, for the fellowship with other good men, and to help them become better men than they already are... it is a journey, not a destination, to be a good man, and more serviceable to your family, your community, your country and your g-d.



posted on Sep, 10 2004 @ 04:22 AM
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Originally posted by LTD602

The Masons ARE practicing mind-control. They are making Gadfly write all sorts of nonsense and utterly juvenile drivel, so that he wil discredit both himself and thereby other anti-masons.

How do you know you AREN'T being controlled? After all, people who are controlled don't know it, as a matter of course. You're being used as a puppet. The more fair, the more decent, the more reasonable the Masons and pro-Masons become, the WORSE you get! I definitely see a conection.


I've been expecting a post like this, but I was figuring it would come from the other side, heh heh. Scandalous!



posted on Sep, 10 2004 @ 06:23 AM
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Originally posted by ThePunisher
no but you masons stand quiet while stuff like this is happening, why??? www.prisonplanet.tv...

just like in 1933 germany etc etc etc (many occasions, same story) and a modern day example all the way through this war on terror, quiet like church mouses. quiet except when parroting the 'official' line or version.


you still havnt understood or answered my question.



posted on Sep, 10 2004 @ 07:36 AM
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I'm not answering it, as I can't view the video (no plugin to do it.) So, I'll bump this up. Maybe a mason can help.



posted on Sep, 10 2004 @ 07:53 AM
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Bottom line as long as masonry is not all inclusive (i dont mean "everyone can join" here) it will have suspicion heaped upon it.

By all inclusive i mean this: it is not in the groups intrest to have everyone join as there will be no secret any more. If everyone is a member there are no non members and therefore no fun!

So there will always be this exclusivity and therefore suspicion.



posted on Sep, 10 2004 @ 07:59 AM
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Something that perhaps can never be helped.

Masonry does not exist to influence public opinion. There are no widesperad ad campaigns.

Oh well.

Masonry will continue. And grow. Suspicious or not.



posted on Sep, 10 2004 @ 08:55 AM
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Originally posted by LTD602
Something that perhaps can never be helped.

Masonry does not exist to influence public opinion. There are no widesperad ad campaigns.

Oh well.

Masonry will continue. And grow. Suspicious or not.



Hah, hah

What a laugh- follow the links

No world wide - - - -

Originally posted by JonestownRed

Originally posted by LTD602

The Masons ARE practicing mind-control. They are making Gadfly write all sorts of nonsense and utterly juvenile drivel, so that he wil discredit both himself and thereby other anti-masons.

How do you know you AREN'T being controlled? After all, people who are controlled don't know it, as a matter of course. You're being used as a puppet. The more fair, the more decent, the more reasonable the Masons and pro-Masons become, the WORSE you get! I definitely see a conection.


I've been expecting a post like this, but I was figuring it would come from the other side, heh heh. Scandalous!


Knock, knock is anyone home?

No world wide . . . . and then I am under the mind control of masonry

Wow- Fortean logic at its best!

Is this to prove in some manner or the other that neo-cons have migrated or are in the process of a Fortean migration? Neo-Forteans?

I really don't like using quotes, but on rare occasion nothing portrays sentiment as well:

"Where there is one religion, there is oppression. Where there are two religions, there is war. Where there are thirty religions, there is peace and harmony." --Voltaire


Masonry seems to me to be in pursuit of the monolith.

A with us or against us mentality.

Of three possibilities (according to Voltaire) masonry seems bent on excluding choice three. It is either US or war!



posted on Sep, 10 2004 @ 11:08 AM
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Originally posted by ThePunisher

Originally posted by ThePunisher
no but you masons stand quiet while stuff like this is happening, why??? www.prisonplanet.tv...

just like in 1933 germany etc etc etc (many occasions, same story) and a modern day example all the way through this war on terror, quiet like church mouses. quiet except when parroting the 'official' line or version.


you still havnt understood or answered my question.


I am sorry, I didn't think you were being serious... I watched it and I was laughing so hard I couldn't type... comparing the United States, who was attacked by Muslim Terrorists to Adolf Hitler's Germany, a state the eliminated human rights, murdered 6 million jews, and g-d knows how many gypsies, homosexuals, mentally and physically handicapped individuals, freemasons and others in the name of racial and political "purity".

Hardly a comparrison for a country working to secure itself from further terrorist attacks...

So, why would we answer that ridiculous little man's over the top rhetoric? Did you SERIOUSLY mean to offer that for real consideration??? I thought you were being funny.



posted on Sep, 10 2004 @ 11:48 AM
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Originally posted by theron dunn

Originally posted by ThePunisher

Originally posted by ThePunisher
no but you masons stand quiet while stuff like this is happening, why??? www.prisonplanet.tv...

just like in 1933 germany etc etc etc (many occasions, same story) and a modern day example all the way through this war on terror, quiet like church mouses. quiet except when parroting the 'official' line or version.


you still havnt understood or answered my question.


I am sorry, I didn't think you were being serious... I watched it and I was laughing so hard I couldn't type... comparing the United States, who was attacked by Muslim Terrorists to Adolf Hitler's Germany, a state the eliminated human rights, murdered 6 million jews, and g-d knows how many gypsies, homosexuals, mentally and physically handicapped individuals, freemasons and others in the name of racial and political "purity".

Hardly a comparrison for a country working to secure itself from further terrorist attacks...

So, why would we answer that ridiculous little man's over the top rhetoric? Did you SERIOUSLY mean to offer that for real consideration??? I thought you were being funny.




excellent response, proves my point exactly.



posted on Sep, 10 2004 @ 12:10 PM
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Textno but you masons stand quiet while stuff like this is happening, why??? www.prisonplanet.tv...


www.prisonplanet.com...

But but Punisher....I thought Alex Jones and Rense were a bunch of conspiracy theorists and were not to be taken seriously despite their links to major news sources......Im so confuuuuuuused



posted on Sep, 10 2004 @ 12:18 PM
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A Chomsky-like argument can be made that the U.S. has implemented policies that are in soe respects oppoerssive and that threaten Constitutional freedoms.

The U.S. can be viewed as an economic, and perhaps now, military imperialist.

This is nothing new. It's fairly academic, actually.

Some, people, however, take it too far. The Nazi Germany comparison is inappropriate.

I will not argue U.S. foreign policy here, by the way.



posted on Sep, 10 2004 @ 02:38 PM
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I agree with LTD. US policy has indeed moved to the right over the past 4 years, but it still falls short of Mussolini's and Franco's brand of Fascism, much less Hitler's, which is viewed by historians as the "fanatical right".

Granted, some in the administration (I'm not mentioning any names, but his initials are John Ashcroft) seem to have an almost identical ideology as Ciano (the Duce's Prime Minister in Fascist Italy); but, of course, they have been unable to implement them in the US due to constitutional restrictions on the power of government.

Therefore, while it's certainly true that America needs to wake up and smell the coffee concerning the very questionable policies of the current administration, comparing the US to Nazi Germany is ludicrous. If this were anything like a Nazi state, Punisher would have already been tracked down and shot by the Gestapo for posting anti-government propaganda (although they would have undoubtedly awarded him a medal for his contribution to the "anti-Masonic cause of National Socialism".

Fiat Lvx.



posted on Sep, 10 2004 @ 04:16 PM
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->www.ritualabusefree.org ->The Egyptian-Masonic-Satanic Connection.htm

Yes see what I am talking about? Public Gad-Fly you are accusing people of Being Satanists!!!

Public Gadfly - do you have any proof of this statement - well of-course you don't -> YOU ARE A PROPAGANDIST my friend!!!

Listen I am not even a Mason & I am Offended by this!!! You can't just go around calling people that you don't know "Satanists" - just because

they have rituals that they prefer to keep secret. Again I ask do you have any Evidence that Masons harm people (yeah like "Sacrificing"

people)?

If not then this is called SLANDER -> & if someone SUES YOU because of it -
You will be LIABLE for it in a Court of LAW!!!

It is my personal opinion that the Moderators should Ban you from ATS for using this Forum to Spew your Fundamentalist Fantasies!!!




posted on Sep, 10 2004 @ 04:40 PM
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Well, Gadfly has already been spanked ONCE by ATS (se the little "Warn" flag? And I imagine if he keeps up his ad hominem and undocumented facts, that we will soon see another couple of them...

I really don't care about people's opinons, but if you are going to accuse me and my frieds of all manner of evil on a forum dedicated to DENYING IGNORANCE, it seems the height of... ignorance to publish lies and false claims... and perhaps, a violation of the TOS of this very foum he is abusing us on...



posted on Sep, 11 2004 @ 12:38 AM
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Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente

Public Gadfly - do you have any proof of this statement - well of-course you don't -> YOU ARE A PROPAGANDIST my friend!!!

If not then this is called SLANDER -> & if someone SUES YOU because of it -
You will be LIABLE for it in a Court of LAW!!!

It is my personal opinion that the Moderators should Ban you from ATS for using this Forum to Spew your Fundamentalist Fantasies!!!



So if someone is a Fundamentalist then they what?

Lose their right or ability or ?? to voice (post) their viewpoint?

I mught have read what is cited above wrong,
as I post from time to time

I have been wrong-

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I am further puzzled- I am 'called' friend then called to be banished- hmmm

Is that some kind of masonry thing? I never saw that before-
*edit-2 spelling errors


[edit on 11/9/2004 by PublicGadfly]

[edit on 11/9/2004 by PublicGadfly]



posted on Sep, 11 2004 @ 01:01 AM
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Originally posted by PublicGadfly

Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente

Public Gadfly - do you have any proof of this statement - well of-course you don't -> YOU ARE A PROPAGANDIST my friend!!!

If not then this is called SLANDER -> & if someone SUES YOU because of it -
You will be LIABLE for it in a Court of LAW!!!

It is my personal opinion that the Moderators should Ban you from ATS for using this Forum to Spew your Fundamentalist Fantasies!!!



So if someone is a Fundamentalist then they what?

Lose their right or ability or ?? to voice (post) their veiewpoint?

I mught have read what is cited above wrong,
as I post from time to time

I have been wrong-

*edit to add-
I am further puzzled- I am 'called' friend then called to be banishedt- hmmm

Is that some kind of masonry thing? I never saw that before-


[edit on 11/9/2004 by PublicGadfly]


No, no one is trying to deny you your ability to post, what we are asking for is a little intellectual honesty. You have YET to post ANYTHING remotely resembling a rationale for your spew about masonry. NOT ONE FACT has come from you, so why would anyone take you seriously?

No, you have the right to write what you want, but WE, all of us, will exercise OUR right to point at you and laugh


You seem more interested in poking with a sharp stick and trying to deny US our right to speak... how is that in any way DENYING IGNORANCE?



posted on Sep, 11 2004 @ 01:26 AM
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Originally posted by theron dunn
NOT ONE FACT has come from you, so why would anyone take you seriously?

No, you have the right to write what you want, but WE, all of us, will exercise OUR right to point at you and laugh


You seem more interested in poking with a sharp stick and trying to deny US our right to speak... how is that in any way DENYING IGNORANCE?


I don't get near to understanding how in the world you can post what you [theron do.

The pro-masons (not all) have called those that disagree with them everything from liars, to fools to idiots and more, yet you have the view that what you and those that post similar views to yours are always right and everyone that disagrees with you is wrong.

Throwing 'DENY IGNORANCE' around like a potatoes or something while instead of admitting to a few miscreants within your own society (masonry) when proof upon proof has been posted seems ridiculous to me.

Denial upon denial when a simple admission that well, yeah but we're working on the problem - - - we're a big organization would have served your stated goals far more than the blindness exhibited.

You've read much of the threads- you really know why some people get so 'chaffed' about masonry yet from your posts I have seen nothing that remotely leads me to believe anything will change for you and a small group.

Other masons have come into these threads said their piece, generally been well received even if not agreed with and NOT gotten into the circle the wagons stance some of the posters herein seem to have developed.

Don't lay this on me- I saw this blindness and circle the wagons mentality when I first got to an ATS mason thread. I was appalled!

Have masons committed murder- yeah they have, it's a small problem that causes us more grief than we like but some masons lose sight - - - - -

Wow, that would have been great.

You guys - - - - -



posted on Sep, 11 2004 @ 01:32 AM
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Quote: "So if someone is a Fundamentalist then they what - Lose their right or ability to voice (post) their viewpoint?"

No. I am an American - I take it that you are too. We live in a Free Country & have Freedom of Speech. You have a right to post Fundamentalist &
Anti-Masonic views Publicly if you wish. On a Similar note people who are Occultists or Pagans have the right to state their views Publicly as well. If Views Clash - Well lets have a Debate about it.

You should come right out & state that this is your Objective -> to
dis-credit FreeMasonry instead of acting coy about it. Also to make accusations without Proof or Evidence is called Slander & Propaganda -> Libel Laws still apply in U.S.A. you know!! You seem to want to just smear people & that is the end of the story - but wait then 3 or 4 Masons Reply to contradict your Assertions - I am sorry to inform you but your responses are mediocre at best!

P.S. "My Friend" = Sarcasm.



posted on Sep, 11 2004 @ 01:58 AM
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Originally posted by Seraphim_Serpente
Quote: "So if someone is a Fundamentalist then they what - Lose their right or ability to voice (post) their viewpoint?"

No. I am an American - I take it that you are too. We live in a Free Country & have Freedom of Speech. You have a right to post Fundamentalist &
Anti-Masonic views Publicly if you wish. On a Similar note people who are Occultists or Pagans have the right to state their views Publicly as well. If Views Clash - Well lets have a Debate about it.

You should come right out & state that this is your Objective -> to
dis-credit FreeMasonry instead of acting coy about it. Also to make accusations without Proof or Evidence is called Slander & Propaganda -> Libel Laws still apply in U.S.A. you know!! You seem to want to just smear people & that is the end of the story - but wait then 3 or 4 Masons Reply to contradict your Assertions - I am sorry to inform you but your responses are mediocre at best!

P.S. "My Friend" = Sarcasm.


Enlightenment!

Show me ONE post where I have "slandered" anyone!

Just ONE



As I am just "mediocre at best" I couldn't find it myself?

I have been wrong~



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