Sharia Law. She's buried chest high.

Originally posted by hmdphantom
reply to post by Thetawave

 

It is just another digged conspiracy intended to be against Iran , but it is much against Islam.

Maybe , You better get some porno videos of the same girls being molested and ask yourself.

Who could do to them ? How they were made to do that .

With all due respect, Western culture would give a molester his due time in prison. In fact, these days, he may just do life on the civil commitment plan that many find waiting for them after they've done their time for the sex crime.

People who do what was done to these women, we call Capital Murder cases and they'd be executed under American laws. At BEST, they could hope for Life without Possibility of Parole. So.... How exactly does bringing the evils of molestation into this somehow reduce the horror of sadistic murder like we see in those pictures?

Oh..and perhaps you can clarify how similar things to what is seen here occur to women in the Islamic culture for being raped or the victims of incest? Again, in the West, they are victims...not ones to be tortured to death.

In some ways the people of America and Iran are so similar..... In other ways, we might as well exist on entirely different planets.

reply to post by relpobre000


when was bringing up actual events of human rights abuses classed as propaganda ? So i guess amnesty international is a propaganda machine using your logic.

Those damm people over at amnesty they don't care about human rights at all.

Amnesty war propaganda

reply to post by Thetawave


No, no it isn't; it's mainly the Christians. Beyond a few select rational minds (soficrow, purplemer to name a couple) this thread is chockers with hypocritical, mainly Christian islamophobia and I think it's #ing disgusting.

Hadiths are not the direct word of Allah, your arguments are invalid; people are to blame for this the same way people are to blame when a Christian murders someone, or when a Christian nation slaughters hundreds of thousands of people.

reply to post by posthuman


I never said the hadiths were the direct words of allah, but they are the reason these stonings are carried out by people who take them too literally.

May I point out a simple fact: the stoning verses from the Bible are not from Christianity. They are from Judiasm. Christianity begins in the New Testament.

Jesus Christ was about love and forgiveness, like another poster said.

Please stop blaming Christians for the deaths in the Old Testament. We are not accountable for that.

Also, please show me a Christian nation that murders hundreds of thousands of people. First of all, I am not aware of any Christian nations. The US is not a Christian nation. It is a nation tolerant of all religions. For example, hundreds of Muslims were in the Twin Towers when they collapsed. Please stop calling us a nation of one religion. Our founding fathers made it a point to make sure we would not be a Christian nation. That was the very problem they were escaping from in England. The purpose of the freedom of religion in the US is to insure that no one religion rules this country.

You can see the problem of having one religion rule a country. Just look at the post by the OP.

The apparent purpose of this thread is to fester hate for Iran and Muslims. Don't go there.

reply to post by Thetawave


YES. And doesn't that say something about people? And not about islam?

reply to post by Thetawave


There has actually been quite a bit of criticism against Amnesty International's ideological bias against Non-western countries. So, given how these stories are spun and used, yes I would say a great deal of this is propaganda.

Tell me, what was the OP's motive for bringing up this particular story 8 years after the fact and coincidentally from Iran? It couldn't be the war drum that everyone is pounding to invade Iran? It couldn't be the western waged war against Islam.

Surely not

Say it with me again kids: prop·a·gan·da.

reply to post by posthuman


Yeah people are doing it, but only because the hadiths say to. if it wasn't in the hadiths it wouldn't happen. as it would contradict Islam.

Originally posted by Jim Scott
May I point out a simple fact: the stoning verses from the Bible are not from Christianity. They are from Judiasm. Christianity begins in the New Testament.

Jesus Christ was about love and forgiveness, like another poster said.

Please stop blaming Christians for the deaths in the Old Testament. We are not accountable for that.

Okay okay, but you can take responsibility for the Crusades yeah? Or the Spanish Inquisition? Or both Iraqi invasions?

I might add, we're bringing up the atrocities committed in the name of Christ not to slander your beliefs, or belittle them; we're doing it so that you may reconcile with the fact that people, and not religion are responsible for their actions and that the Bible has just as much written in it that can be construed in a violent manner as the Koran does. Factor in the social conditions most muslim countries endure and it's fairly easy to see where the problem lies (hint: it's not in the Koran).

Originally posted by posthuman

Originally posted by Jim Scott
May I point out a simple fact: the stoning verses from the Bible are not from Christianity. They are from Judiasm. Christianity begins in the New Testament.

Jesus Christ was about love and forgiveness, like another poster said.

Please stop blaming Christians for the deaths in the Old Testament. We are not accountable for that.

Okay okay, but you can take responsibility for the Crusades yeah? Or the Spanish Inquisition? Or both Iraqi invasions?

I might add, we're bringing up the atrocities committed in the name of Christ not to slander your beliefs, or belittle them; we're doing it so that you may reconcile with the fact that people, and not religion are responsible for their actions and that the Bible has just as much written in it that can be construed in a violent manner as the Koran does. Factor in the social conditions most muslim countries endure and it's fairly easy to see where the problem lies (hint: it's not in the Koran).

You are seeing the bizarre effect of power on the human mind. Power corrupts, whether it is religious power or political power. Would you do away with all power? You must, to prevent killings. It's a human flaw that we are corrupted by power. It is not Christianity or Republicans or Islamists....it is power. Let's put the arrow in the center of the target and stop criticizing each other for our beliefs. Christianity, as a religion, says to turn the other cheek. It says do not kill. However, when people get the power of their large church or state, they kill their supposed enemies. By their fruits ye shall know them...and since we are killing others, we are obviously not a Christian nation.

reply to post by Thetawave


Stoning women to death certainly contradicts Allah's will; many contradictions of the same nature are written in the Bible. It is up to people to interpret scripture responsibly.

reply to post by relpobre000


right we'll have it your way, we'll ignore human rights abuses, because it makes countrys look bad. Anyone mentioning them must want the total destruction of a country, You're all intelligent enough to see the facts and make up your own opinion about iran but this is about sharia and what is pretty much guaranteed when it's implemented.

reply to post by posthuman


It's up to people to interpret scripture responsibly ? Well seeing as the majority in some islamic countries are in favour of stoning then i cannot see that happening anytime soon. So are you saying 82% of egypt and pakistan are going against islam by supporting this ? surely then this needs to be mentioned more to wake them up to there ways that go agaisnt islam.

I'm guesssing Mohhamed and Allah would be pretty annoyed at the majority of pakistan for there views.

A survey conducted by the Pew Research Center found relatively widespread popular support for stoning as a punishment for adultery in Egypt (82% of respondents in favor of the punishment), Jordan (70% in favor), Indonesia (42% in favor), Pakistan (82% favor) and Nigeria (56% in favor

Stick a muzzy bashin thread and you are guaranteed to get the hits. Not all muslims do this or believe this but you wouldn't get that feeling if you read the replies. No religion is bad not islam, cristianity, hinduism or what ever diety you believe in. Just bad interpretations of it. My fate would be sealed if I had the contributors of this disscussion as my jurors. In all walks of life there are good people and bad people. This thread is designed not to promote discussion but incite the already existent hatred of muslims in many. Good current fashioned muzzy bashing fest, seriously shallow not what I expect from a so called intellectual community.

reply to post by Thetawave


I really hate to say this, but it's none of our business what another country does to its citizens. The citizens need to correct their own country. Countries have "sovereignty" and as such are able to govern themselves. If they want to stay in the stone age, it's not our business.

We get into more trouble trying to solve the problems of other countries. Like Vietnam. There we thought we would stop the domino effect of the spread of Communism and the erosion of capitalism. How did that work out? Since WWII, the US has taken an active role in the world, going to the areas of problems and fighting to prevent them from coming home to us. We got a little shook up when it looked like we might be speaking German or Japanese, so we decided to take the fight overseas to stop it from getting close to us. This was probably pushed by the Military Industrial Complex that we were warned about by President Eisenhower in his farewell address.

Since we started doing that, we have gradually moved into the preemptive strike stance. Now, we START the wars. We would have never, ever done that before. Slowly but surely, the citizens of the US are sleeping while their armies are moving from defensive to offensive, from protective to preemptive, from passive to warring.

Wake up. Leave the Muslims and the Jews and the Hindus alone. Leave the other countries to handle their own people.

We took out Trujillo in Cuba with the understanding that his replacement, Fidel Castro, would be friendly toward the US. We helped Castro get to power. How did that work for us? On almost every preemptive strike or use of force, we have obtained the opposite result. Let's look at Iraq. Are they friendly to Christians? Are they a democracy? Was it worth it?

reply to post by Thetawave


Pew Research Center

The Pew Research Center is an American think tank organization based in Washington, D.C. that provides information on issues, attitudes and trends shaping the United States and the world.

I still say that it's important to see where this information comes from. Is it entirely outside the realm of possibility that there might be a bit of bias involved.....?

Sorry for intruding, but my head is still spinning from this thread. Could somebody explain to me where the disagreement is with the following:

1) Stoning people to death for adultery is wrong.
2) Wrong things should be exposed and a means of prevention their occurrence should be found
3) The stoning occurred with the knowledge and (at least) acquiesence of the government
4) The stoning was within the range of proper action as seen by the government
5) The range of proper action is determined by Islamic religious writings and law (Sharia)

We do agree with each of these, don't we?

Originally posted by charles1952
5) The range of proper action is determined by Islamic religious writings and law (Sharia)

We do agree with each of these, don't we?

Those religious writings are Hadiths (not the Koran) that are not the direct word of Allah (which, in the Koran, condemns this behaviour).

What you're conveying is like saying it's Christianity's fault if a government acts upon certain violent verses in the bible.

And what does this now try to tell us ????
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Originally posted by Thetawave
reply to post by posthuman

 

It's up to people to interpret scripture responsibly ? Well seeing as the majority in some islamic countries are in favour of stoning then i cannot see that happening anytime soon. So are you saying 82% of egypt and pakistan are going against islam by supporting this ? surely then this needs to be mentioned more to wake them up to there ways that go agaisnt islam.

I'm guesssing Mohhamed and Allah would be pretty annoyed at the majority of pakistan for there views.

A survey conducted by the Pew Research Center found relatively widespread popular support for stoning as a punishment for adultery in Egypt (82% of respondents in favor of the punishment), Jordan (70% in favor), Indonesia (42% in favor), Pakistan (82% favor) and Nigeria (56% in favor

edit on 14-11-2011 by Thetawave because: .

How many talibans were sampled?

100% of the people I know from these backgrounds would disagree with this poll.

I believe there is confusion between adultry and fornication. Ask your partners if you cheated on them what would be a just punishment. If my partner just chose to get me stoned (not the herb kind) I would consider myself getting off lightly.