Your Christmas Tree Is Pretty. Oh, And It's Also A Pagan Obelisk

Also I take a great deal of exception to the black op negative community seeing fir trees as their private parts, I consider that sexual dysfunction. Or tall buildings and missiles.

Originally posted by poet1b

Christmas is brilliant. They turned the darkest time of the year into the happiest time of the year.

In winter, all the trees look dead, everything looks dead, and the people have only the long dark winter ahead. What did they do? Turn it into a holiday, decorate the house with life, evergreen trees, give their kids presents, gather family around.

If you see a phallus when you see a Christmas tree, you have some serious problems.

May the pagan Gods bless you.

I work on a christmas tree farm. Not that that statement implies I am an expert; but I must deal with this issue every year.. and that my own curiosity has lead me to research the topic myself. To the best of MY 'knowledge':

The tradition started in the Europe region Many centuries ago. The point being that in fall/winter- everything dies or goes dormant. A 'christmas' type tree stays green and 'alive' looking all year round. So they would bring one of these types of trees into the home for hope and support of everlasting life. Hmmm, any hint in the name 'evergreens'... meaning ever- green....as it always stays green unless it is truely dead of course. So in the white snow this green tree symbolizes life. And the 'star' at the top represents the sun or energy to help simulate this life situation. This next sentence is pure opinion: I believe the point for decoration was to put items or thoughts of value on this entity of 'life' to carry over or preserve for the next year.

Forgive me for not doing your homework for you and posting links to sources and blah blah blah. Thats your job! I cant walk you through the door: I can only show it to ya! Pegans rule, btw

Originally posted by this_is_who_we_are
Your Christmas Is Tree Pretty. Oh, And It's Also A Pagan Obelisk

Yup, that is the origin of it, but it isn't a pagan obelisk anymore... it is a Christmas Tree now. Just as Halloween was a pagen festival once... but is no longer.

I honestly don't think it matters what things once were, but only what they are now.

It makes for interesting reading, but that's about it in my opinion.

2nd.

Originally posted by Alienmojo

Originally posted by this_is_who_we_are
Your Christmas Is Tree Pretty. Oh, And It's Also A Pagan Obelisk

Yup, that is the origin of it, but it isn't a pagan obelisk anymore... it is a Christmas Tree now. Just as Halloween was a pagen festival once... but is no longer.

sure halloween is still a pagan holiday. i just celebrated it a few weeks back with a bit of ceremony, good cheer and reverence. 'tis called Samhain, if your taking notes.

just 'cause something ain't real to you, don't mean it ain't real.


so i won't take away your christmas tree... just respect my Yule Spruce, eh?

cheerio.

Originally posted by Frater210

2nd.

Sweet Jesus that's fantastic! Star for you!

Very interesting, going by what you say, when we put presents under the tree it is as an offering to the pagan god of fertility. Interesting that Christianity would keep so many traditions of the pagan religion but tone them down so they are acceptable to our new 'humane' western civilization.

Oh, by the way, I asked the Trees and they like Jesus better. Tammuz kept hanging his balls all over them and they found that degrading for the longest time.

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I agree with this statement completely.

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Yeah i get it, but i fail o see how this harmless holiday tradition is any more then just that.

It may be tall and pointy like an obelisk... but its a tree. They have been growing for longer then people have, and will likely keep growing long after we are gone.

I guess im just not buying it...

Yes, the tradition is pagan, and make no mistake, no such beautiful custom could ever have developed out of your nihilistic oriental creed of "Christianity", but I'm afraid the tree is not an obelisk and the symbolism is not phallic.

reply to post by PoeteMaudit

the symbolism is not phallic.

It's not?

2nd.

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Yup evergreens are all big penis's! NOT!

reply to post by Unity_99

evergreens

Not evergreens; the symbolism. Are you guys going to come in at the end here after all that, and declare the Christmas tree as not having its ancient pagan origins in a penis? Do you think that Tammuz worshipers hung golden colored balls on the Christmas tree's ancient cousin because they thought that Tammuz liked oranges?

What is it then, oh wise ones?

Originally posted by Frater210
Are you guys going to come in at the end here after all that, and declare the Christmas tree as not having its ancient pagan origins in a penis?

Can you even read? Or is it that you simply do not bother to? What part of "the tradition is pagan" eluded your comprehension?

I posted earlier and tried to be a little discreet in my description of the pagan origins of Xmas Trees, the Xmas Wreath, the Yule Log, etc.

The pagan rituals were mixed with Christianity by way of Constantine and making Christianity the official religion of Rome. A very good example of " if you can't beat them, then join them",,, and they did. A host of holidays or Holy Days were incorporated and twisted and distorted to blend Christianity and pagan themes.

Ever wonder why we have an Easter Ham when Jesus and Chritianity had it's origins in Judaism? Jews don't eat pork..so why the Easter Ham? Why get up eggs and have an Easter Bunny? Its all fertility rites and orgies to make the spring planting season productive by worshipping Ishtar...Easter. The man in the moon can also be seen as a bunny...look at it and you can see the rabbit...what do rabbits do? Breed... and Why is Easter tied to Lunar phases instead of Passover....pagan.

The Maypole.. everyspring a boy and girl are stood up against a pole and a group of peers sings as they go around the Maypole with ribbons tying the pair to the pole...in ancient times.. it would have been a tree or cedar or evergreen trunk and an orgy/ fertility rite would have ensued.

And Christmas...celebrated at the time of the winter solstice and the birth of Mitrea/Mytria... when the description given in the Gospels actually point to the birth of Jesus being around September...ie flocks in the field, the cycle of Judaic religious ceremonies in place, etc.

The Christmas Tree... I tried to be subtle, but here we go...the star on top is symbolic of Nimrod...original king of Baylon. He died/was murdered and reborn and resurrected...the Yule log dies and is reborn as the tree...yes, the balls and tinsel are male symbols of fertility...aka testicles and ejaculants...the tree was a symbol of sacrifice...literal of babies, gifts, offerings... the female counterpart was the wreath... think about it.. /\ fits into O.. the ceremonies evolved and were disturbing with sacrifice and sex intermingled into a belief of life through death and the Biblical scriptures only allude to the severity of such ceremonies but always forbade them...go and read the Old Testament..in Kings and Chronicles and Isaiah and Jeremiah...the sex was just too much for the Hebrews and Israelites to refuse.

Of course, it was all toned down as it was intermingled with the Church of Rome and Constantine... but even back in Paul's day and the early church, such pagan traditions and temptations wove their way into the church. In some of the early Christian church founded in ...I believe Corinth... fertility rites and worship found their way into the church, where there were actually temple prostitutes/ church deaconesses and deacons that would take the "offerings" of the male and female members... basically have sex and pay/give your offering. It was so twisted that the white male ejaculant was seen as good...white being good... go and read some of Paul's letters and see how he was fighting for the soul of the church and true beliefs.

I am a Christian and most Chrisitans do not even know these things. When you offer up scripture...like Jeremiah denouncing the "Christmas Tree"...they seem flabergasted.

For me... I am torn both ways...but to me... a symbol is what you make it. To native Americans and other far east religions.. the Swastika is a symbol of light, sun, peace, and harmony... the flow of life. It has been forever tarnished by the Nazis. Likewise, a Christmas Tree is a thing of beauty, love, child-like wonder and excitement, and a family tradition to be enjoyed.... if you want to make it something else, that is your right... just not in my house.

It matters not what others think or say, but what you value. Just because a huge group thinks having a woman be in public unescorted by a man is a "sin" does not make it a "sin" for me.

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You:

the symbolism is not phallic.

Me:

It's not?

That was my question, you mechanical little chatter box. Try again. But prove you are not a bot first.

I had to straighten out Unity99 on that as well. I am not the one with a reading comprehension problem here, kiddies.

reply to post by Frater210


The ancient evergreen is a tree. Natural. Divine Mother is Prime Creator, not to mention Gia is Mother Earth, and the Matrix Universe is a Womb, the tree is a beautiful natural expression of life, and one we see all winter. Norwegians and Scandivians have been decorating them since times memorial. Its for joy, beauty and celebration in the cold dark time of year. Natural. Healthy and Joyous. Not male phallic.

Again, for any mystery school who sees that, perhaps for thousands of years, and even codes that, I see sexual deviancy and dysfunction. To be honest its really hilarious, but they aren't, they're sad.

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OK. Unity99?

You aren't even playing right...

"...the tree is a beautiful natural expression of life, and one we see all winter."

"Norwegians and Scandivians have been decorating them since times memorial. Its for joy, beauty and celebration in the cold dark time of year. Natural. Healthy and Joyous."

OK? what we do not need from you is pragmatism or sense making or any of this shared experience of joy crap. You are a Pagan, man! Show some teeth.

Look, you are supposed to be all, "It may as well be the Tammuz Tree!" or, "Your religion came down to a coin toss between Mithras and Christ!"

Got it? Don't make me do the work for both sides. Now get back up there, man! You've got the Tree and it's the final seconds of the 4th quarter and you are at the 10 yard line. Go on, get us. Grrrr.