Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by Frater210
The ancient evergreen is a tree. Natural. Divine Mother is Prime Creator, not to mention Gia is Mother Earth, and the Matrix Universe is a Womb,
the tree is a beautiful natural expression of life, and one we see all winter. Norwegians and Scandivians have been decorating them since times
memorial. Its for joy, beauty and celebration in the cold dark time of year. Natural. Healthy and Joyous. Not male phallic.
Again, for any mystery school who sees that, perhaps for thousands of years, and even codes that, I see sexual deviancy and dysfunction. To be honest
its really hilarious, but they aren't, they're sad.
You are applying your own personal associations to the object, which incidentally, are lovely and entirely valid. I think what's being discussed are
classical and ancient associations, and whether we like it or not, the evergreen was a stand-in for a diety's penis.
I'd add that while phallocentric religions usually act as a beard for military conquest, Tammuz and his counterpart
were part of a gynocentric religious tradition centered around agriculture. I will point out that
being a male priest of this particular faith must have been a profound bummer:
“The male priest of Cybele, the gallus, dressed as a woman, carried a stick or a shepherd's crook, and in dedication to the goddess and in
replication of the goddess's lover Attis, was expected to emasculate himself with a sickle-shaped blade and offer up his ‘vires’ to the
Read more: www.bukisa.com...
At what point, if you're setting the policy for your adherents, do you just begin to look for a symbolic version of that act? Pry the little sickles
out of their hands, and tell them to hang pseudo-balls off a tree instead. End of a nasty practice, and good riddance.
Also, I confess I feel a little wounded. You seem to have a jaundiced view of the male generative organ. We need both sets to get by, and swinging
like a pendulum between abusive patriarchies and equally abusive matriarchies (the Cybele cult is not an isolated incident, there are several
instances of oppressive matriarchal cultures) has not been working out for us so well.
So maybe we honor each other, and work together for a nice equitable society, such as the Egyptians enjoyed. Sometimes an obelisk is just an obelisk,
ne? (But most times an obelisk is a phallus, and sometimes so are other things. Like trees. Just saying.)
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