Your Christmas Tree Is Pretty. Oh, And It's Also A Pagan Obelisk, page 7
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reply posted on 17-11-2011 @ 07:02 AM by mistermonculous
Originally posted by Unity_99
reply to post by Frater210


The ancient evergreen is a tree. Natural. Divine Mother is Prime Creator, not to mention Gia is Mother Earth, and the Matrix Universe is a Womb, the tree is a beautiful natural expression of life, and one we see all winter. Norwegians and Scandivians have been decorating them since times memorial. Its for joy, beauty and celebration in the cold dark time of year. Natural. Healthy and Joyous. Not male phallic.

Again, for any mystery school who sees that, perhaps for thousands of years, and even codes that, I see sexual deviancy and dysfunction. To be honest its really hilarious, but they aren't, they're sad.


You are applying your own personal associations to the object, which incidentally, are lovely and entirely valid. I think what's being discussed are classical and ancient associations, and whether we like it or not, the evergreen was a stand-in for a diety's penis.

I'd add that while phallocentric religions usually act as a beard for military conquest, Tammuz and his counterpart Attis were part of a gynocentric religious tradition centered around agriculture. I will point out that being a male priest of this particular faith must have been a profound bummer:

“The male priest of Cybele, the gallus, dressed as a woman, carried a stick or a shepherd's crook, and in dedication to the goddess and in replication of the goddess's lover Attis, was expected to emasculate himself with a sickle-shaped blade and offer up his ‘vires’ to the goddess”.

Read more: www.bukisa.com...


At what point, if you're setting the policy for your adherents, do you just begin to look for a symbolic version of that act? Pry the little sickles out of their hands, and tell them to hang pseudo-balls off a tree instead. End of a nasty practice, and good riddance.

Also, I confess I feel a little wounded. You seem to have a jaundiced view of the male generative organ. We need both sets to get by, and swinging like a pendulum between abusive patriarchies and equally abusive matriarchies (the Cybele cult is not an isolated incident, there are several instances of oppressive matriarchal cultures) has not been working out for us so well.

So maybe we honor each other, and work together for a nice equitable society, such as the Egyptians enjoyed. Sometimes an obelisk is just an obelisk, ne? (But most times an obelisk is a phallus, and sometimes so are other things. Like trees. Just saying.)


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reply posted on 17-11-2011 @ 01:47 PM by mistermonculous
Thought I'd provide a balance to the whole "Keep your filthy Oriental Mystery Cult paws off our wholesome Western European Pagan traditions!" thing that appears to have cropped up on this thread.

From the Golden Bough:

From an examination of the Teutonic words for “temple” Grimm has made it probable that amongst the Germans the oldest sanctuaries were natural woods. However that may be, tree-worship is well attested for all the great European families of the Aryan stock. Amongst the Celts the oak-worship of the Druids is familiar to every one, and their old word for sanctuary seems to be identical in origin and meaning with the Latin nemus, a grove or woodland glade, which still survives in the name of Nemi. Sacred groves were common among the ancient Germans, and tree-worship is hardly extinct amongst their descendants at the present day. How serious that worship was in former times may be gathered from the ferocious penalty appointed by the old German laws for such as dared to peel the bark of a standing tree. The culprit’s navel was to be cut out and nailed to the part of the tree which he had peeled, and he was to be driven round and round the tree till all his guts were wound about its trunk. The intention of the punishment clearly was to replace the dead bark by a living substitute taken from the culprit; it was a life for a life, the life of a man for the life of a tree. 2


So, maybe there are worse things than thinking a tree looks a lot like a giant peen.

Clearly there's a lot of muddlement over who introduced or adopted or altered the decorative evergreen. My guess is that the tradition is drawn from both Eastern and Western ancient faiths. Little bit of Tannenbaum, little bit of Tammuz.
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