Originally posted by Northwarden
Originally posted by manna2
here is where your ideals break down from following thoughts through.
If it was not for the tree mkt every year there would not be a need to plant tree farms and the majority of those trees would have never lived at all.
So if I was to be sensationalizing also I would have to wonder what you have against trees that you would not want them to be planted and given life
to serve your personal ideals. Interesting huh? well, for the record, I serve Yah and I don't do the tree thing. It seems to me as idolitry.
I don't need to see it that way, the ebb and flow of an industry that raises life just to take life in the end. This isn't for food, clothing, or
shelter - the three basics which society is kind to provide for each other. It's for the sake of a tradition, in which many are desensitized to the
fact that it claims a young life in the process. I'm not a fan of seeing veal or mutton on menus either, nor "live bait vending machines" outside
gas stations, or lobsters in crowded tanks in the supermarkets. It all echos of washed-out humanity, replaced by some ungodly convenience that falls
short of ethical treatment to the other beings on this planet which we, in all our supposedly enlightened ways, should be caretakers of. Instead look
at what we swallow. The idea doesn't hit me as a good one, in fact it would feel like being hit by a bus, to endorse it.
It's said that trees communicate by ultrasound; I wonder if there's truth to that? So much we don't understand ...
reply to post by Unity_99
Incredible and inspiring posts as usual, my friend. I'm glad I subscribe to these threads; I'll look back just to reread those someday in months to
ty for elaborating on your stance on life. So I can gather that you carry this to human life? Are you pro-(human)life?
I have anecdotal experience to share with you.
The facts are we need to eat. Man has thrived and survived in a healthy state eating animal protein and small seeds for nourishment as our place in
the food chain.
I love the movie about Temple Grandin for this insight. But man is above the rest of nature as we can choose what we do. I believe you are suffering
from a "civilized" diet as a result from being too far removed from the food chain to reach the idealistict conclusions you have arrived at. My
story is this.
I once was a tradesman before the crash. And now there is no work.
I had to retrain myself years ago.
I decided to get out of the city and get a farm.
I needed a vehicle to sustain it and that became Ostrich.
I raise ostrich.
It is the ONLY eco friendly livestock in the world.
Now I raise them for food (eggs and meat, red meat). Now you can say this unethical from an idealist point of view but I assure you, we need to eat, I
promise! I was asked early on how I can harvest my birds, because they are so cute. Very tough question.
I love these animals and cater to them daily as children of my own loins.
Man I love these creatures.
But we have to eat.
In the movie Temple is asked about the slaughtering of animals and she states something along the lines of what I am saying, we need meat as food as
humans and goes on to add that "Nature is cruel, but we don't have to be. We have a responsibilty to how we treat these animals that we consume to
survive." I can tell you this. My livestock are loved and treated better than nature treats them and they know me as daddy and their mate (ostrich
are unique in this) and love my interaction with them. They will be extremely well taken care of and loved their whole lives. Now here's the flip
side of the coin you have tossed up. Without me they would have never existed. They never would have been treated like royalty and would have never
known my love and would have never got to play and eat and peck and breed, without me, a human who also has needs at another level up in the food
chain. But unlike nature I can choose how I treat my dinner, with aggression or with love. You use only naturalistic examples of men removed too far
from the food chain to see that if done responsibly instead of aggressively as human animals we are actually elevated in our existance with those
creatures Yah has put us above and responsible for. The closer I have become to the food chain (my chickens have it too good as well) the more respect
I have for all life.
Man have I quickly become the pacifist.
I find an inheritant responsibilty for all the wars now being fought in my name as life is even more sacred to me as my responsibilties grow for those
lives in my care. I hate what was done to Iraqi's, Afghani's, Libyans, Africans, Vietnamese, etc... that is done in my name as I am responsible, as
a human, for other life. It's the elevated role I play in this drama we share.