Oakland Police Department put another veteran in the ICU - this time he was an Army Ranger!

Originally posted by drew1749
reply to post by wonhunlo

 

Well I was responding to you're comment in relation to the other guys comment. I thought you were saying "Hey dude don't say that. Military men are the same as you and I in the sense that they can get hurt too".

So that's what I was agreeing with.

It's just that I have a very short fuse. Let me check that.........no fuse at all. For smart, I have all the sympathy of a snapping turtle. Take care. -----------

reply to post by Rockdisjoint


Yeah? Why don't you sit in jail for 18 hours with a lacerated spleen while bleeding internally, then say something like that.

These cops shouldn't just be fired, they should be jailed for at least a couple of years. This was clearly a violent crime, they should be charged at the very least with assault and sentenced to jail. But that sure as hell won't happen, because justice is never there when it's needed.

here is the local story.
ABC News Oakland

His sister thinks it was Oakland PD or the Sheriff Department. I wonder if the media had singled him out to advance OWS or if the police did because he is a veteran. Either way this is getting way out of hand with the police the people have the right to protest peacefully and protest period.

Out of all the cities in the Country with active Occupy Movements going on, you'd think the cops in Oakland would actually KNOW what a Riot looks like instead of just calling every large gathering of peaceful people one and then beating the crap out of them...

reply to post by ArrowsNV




But where does one draw the line between a riot and a protest?

reply to post by SJE98

I wonder if the media had singled him out to advance OWS or if the police did because he is a veteran.

I would sure be interested to hear the logic one uses to suggest police would intentionally target a war vet for violence, keeping in mind that many police officers are former military officers themselves.

Originally posted by NightGypsy

I would sure be interested to hear the logic one uses to suggest police would intentionally target a war vet for violence, keeping in mind that many police officers are former military officers themselves.

Also, in most cases, how the hell would they know if the guy was a vet?

This guy wasn't wearing anything to identify him as a vet.

Originally posted by NightGypsy
reply to post by SJE98

 

I wonder if the media had singled him out to advance OWS or if the police did because he is a veteran.

I would sure be interested to hear the logic one uses to suggest police would intentionally target a war vet for violence, keeping in mind that many police officers are former military officers themselves.

I think they singled out any individual that was alone. They had no way of knowing who he was, nor did they care.
Cops are using this as an excuse to "wild out" and brutalize people.
There is NO evidence that the level of violence perpetrated by LEO was warranted.

The Vet should check the arrest report. The department that assaulted him would be the same one that booked him in.

The officers involved would have their names on the report, as they are the ones making the accusation of a crime.

I'd sue their balls off individually, as well as the department and the city.
In civil court you only have to show a preponderance of evidence.
You do not have to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt.

Im sure some enterprising young hungry attorney would love to get some of that action.
Use their system against them. Sue these arrogant morons into poverty.

I honestly don't get the increased outrage over an injured "serviceman". This is just a man. Not more special than any other person in this country. These are just people who signed up to serve (in most cases) a corrupt government that makes them unknowing accomplices in illegal wars. Yes it is sad but not more sad than a young woman getting shot in the leg with a NLW or single father blinded by pepper spray. I'm tired of the bumper stickers and banner wavers "blessing our troops".......BLESS US ALL.....even us who just work hard to feed our families. Soldiers are just Americans who were slightly more duped by their government than the rest of us. I hope this man makes full recovery along with every other citizen who as been hurt by the CIA's security guards. The sick irony.....the cops, soldiers AND the protesters are all in the 99%.

Something isn't sitting right with me. Army Rangers are not simply soldiers, they are trained killers. These are special forces troops. Even a group of baton wielding cops are going to be in serious problems should a Ranger decide that he's going to put up a fight. The police must have blindsided him rather than 'confronted him.'
I would offer that he genuinely wasn't resisting. Had he been resisting, there would have been a whole bunch of those cops in ICU, or worse. Only his training would have stopped him from decimating the cops had he decided to resist.

One thing I do know about the Rangers is that they are a brotherhood. This won't go unanswered. You mess with one Ranger, you mess with all of them. Not a position I'd like to be in!

I wonder what the SF forums are saying?

Former Army Ranger goes to stand with Communists to protest....

Surprised when force is used to beat him down.....as is traditional in Communist Countries.

Irony....


Real Army Rangers are laughing. They know "protests" aren't how the world is changed. They accomplish nothing.

Originally posted by Pervius
Former Army Ranger goes to stand with Communists to protest....

Surprised when force is used to beat him down.....as is traditional in Communist Countries.

Irony....


Real Army Rangers are laughing. They know "protests" aren't how the world is changed. They accomplish nothing.

Communists? You really think that the occupy movement is about communism?

Army Rangers swore an oath to protect the constitution. A protest is one way of doing that.
Or are these people 'communists' because they don't like their livelihood, health, future, and all they've worked for being determined by profit margins for a few? The real parasites on society are those who accumulate great wealth at the expense of other people's lives. It's nothing to do with communism, it's about humanity.
I've nothing against people making money, but when they do by being dishonest they are criminals.
Tell me, straight faced and honestly, that the banks, wall street, big pharma, Monsanto, the insurance companies, and big oil have never broken any laws; or have never hurt anyone physically or financially in the interests of profit. You can't. It happens all day, every day. People are becoming poorer in health and wealth so the few can enjoy their racketeering. The occupiers are telling them that the game is up. That's not communism, that's the voice of the American people.

Read some history, preferably written by historians rather than Glenn Beck.
You might be surprised at all the information that's "hidden" in books.

Originally posted by Pervius

Real Army Rangers are laughing. They know "protests" aren't how the world is changed. They accomplish nothing.

Agree, Rangers lead the way Woop

reply to post by BadNinja68

I think they singled out any individual that was alone. They had no way of knowing who he was, nor did they care. Cops are using this as an excuse to "wild out" and brutalize people. There is NO evidence that the level of violence perpetrated by LEO was warranted.

And you're basing these opinions on what? Have you seen a video I'm unaware of that shows the event taking place? Have you read any statements from OPD regarding their account of the incident? If so, please bring them forth. You say he was alone because that's what HE claims.

You are doing what many others are doing and that's jumping on the bandwagon simply based on the statement of the man taken into custody. "There is NO evidence that the level of violence perpetrated by LEO was warranted?" Well, there is NO evidence that the level of violence used by LEO wasn't warranted, either.

Originally posted by Badgered1

Communists? You really think that the occupy movement is about communism?

Have you read their list of demands? Definitely VERY socialist if not outright communist.

Im in the military and that Doesnt sound like much of an army ranger to me. Couldnt defend himself? Frankly, if i see a a military man coming my way who isnt your average run of the mill military man, then you will be able to tell. A very hardened breed. Stone to the face, stone to the touch.

A bunch of sissy cops trained to use blount weapons against a man trained to kill with his bare hands?
Sounds like Riot/disinfo to me.

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What is with all the ignorant replies today? I know that sounds rude and let me apologize in advance but what are you even saying? Since you're in the military I guess you'd be okay with some cops beating you down. Considering you're so tough right?

Stop this attitude of "The OWS movement is Communist" (the guy above you said that) and this whole "THIS STORY ISN'T TRUE IT'S ALL MADE UP BY THE ELITE WAKE UP SHEEPLE THINGS THAT HAPPEN DON'T REALLY HAPPEN!!!111111!!!!1111" thing. It's irrational and wrong.

Sorry got off on a little tangent there. I just don't see how you guys can thing like that.

Once again I want to apologize if that seems rude I just had to say it.

Originally posted by drew1749
Stop this attitude of "The OWS movement is Communist" (the guy above you said that)

Apparently OWS has changed/updated their list of demands. The list as it currently stands here is one I could support. Many of their previous very left wing demands appear to have been dropped. Thus I stand corrected.

reply to post by drew1749

What is with all the ignorant replies today? I know that sounds rude and let me apologize in advance but what are you even saying? Since you're in the military I guess you'd be okay with some cops beating you down. Considering you're so tough right?

One of the most important bits of training we get in the military is how to avoid situations that are, obviously, going to put us in physical harm. It's called ORM - Operational Risk Management, and it is beat and drilled into our heads. We spent the better part of this week qualifying on three different weapon systems, shooting at targets in human-shaped silhouettes - training to shoot where it is most effective to stop someone (center-mass... technically, we don't shoot to kill - we shoot to cease the activity of that person... but that's merely a bureaucratic concept); most of the time was spent checking to ensure weapons were clear and safe, instructing shooters in proper handling, etc.

In other words - we think about what we are doing before we do it, and assess what hazards it comes with.

If you are going to go to something like OWS and approach/badger the police, you should expect to be subject to the use of force continuum (which anyone qualified to carry weapons in the DoD is familiar with; as well as knowing, verbatim, the definition of Deadly Force).

Plain and simple.

Now, he's a casualty - a liability for his 'team' - because he was stupid. Any cause he had for being there is now suffering from his inability to participate due to his futile attempt at grand-standing.

Stop this attitude of "The OWS movement is Communist"

They aren't really anything, to be blunt.

Many of the 'core' groups are communists - upset over having to pay back student loans for degrees in underwater basket weaving and other tuition-inflating nonsense or the fact that their first 'real' job (outside of entry-level service industry) doesn't pay for lavish living accommodations (by our standards) and the car they always wanted ... or the fact that they may have to take a job they don't necessarily like but that will pay the bills.

They want healthcare to be a right - they get the services of surgeons as a form of homage to their existence; housing to be a right (although housekeeping staff will be essential to keep even modest accommodations to their standards; they could live just fine if they knew what a vacuum, trashcan, and dishwasher/dish-soap were), and still be paid enough money for food, cars, games, etc.

To call them communists is, perhaps, an extrapolation - but they are only going to be happy with an increase in the number and scope of socialized programs (more government control over the economy and its mechanics - which, over a 'free market system' - becomes akin to governments owning the businesses.... or, rather, the lobbyists writing the legislation that makes decisions for businesses...).

Then, you have other people there grand-standing against the police - because that's always been kind of the "I'm an individual" statement. The more tear gas you suck down and the more times you get arrested (and the more people you get arrested with) - the more individual your line of thinking and way of life, and the more valid your views are in the eyes of your peers.

Then you have a few that are protesting police from some kind of ethical/political stance (often intermixed with the grandstanders).

Still, others are there because there are some attractive members of the opposite sex to meet (or, the same sex... whatever trips their fancy) and potentially bang.

It also appears as though there are quite a few performers there - I could find myself intermixed among them for the sake of being entertained by the number of performing arts graduates surprised at the lack of paying positions for performing artists.

However - just because a group is diverse does not mean its activities are not. The OWS movement is being used to further the goals of establishing a stronger and more intrusive government. "Undercover operatives" are not necessary for it to work - it's just the natural process of things that can be utilized to great effect. Many who find the protests annoying will support stronger police forces while many who are in the protests will support more socialism.

It is possible to please both crowds without really doing a damned thing either asks.

All you have to do is follow the money that goes into funding many of these OWS protests - who pays for the hotel rooms they stay at, the food, etc.

Sorry got off on a little tangent there. I just don't see how you guys can thing like that.

Because you have a lot to learn about the world and how cruel it can truly be.

Example: Look at the coverage of Herman Cain versus the coverage of Clinton (when -audio tapes- came out during his primaries).