The Big Republican Gamble - Cheney/Miller - Has it backfired? - The O'Nerdling Factor

Having family is Spain....nobody "caved in". A Deaf government ignored the will of it's people on numerous issue with the Iraqi troop deployment being a big one, and was due to be voted out regardless of the terror attack. I know it fits the narrative of our own decent into neo-Fascism here, but they were to be gone regardless.
The nail in the coffin was not the terror attack itself, but the governments quick & pervasive attempt to mislead the nation and say it was Los Basques.

Just because you have family in Spain makes you right? Well, I don't have family there, but even Chris Matthews stated on MSNBC Hardball that Spain gave in to the terrorist. I agree the government wanted to say that it was the sepratist that were behind the attack first.

....makes me right. The family who was aware of the voting interests/issues in their country is just icing on the cake.

Come on jr, stop drinking the Kool-Aid for a hot sec, K?

jrsdls, if Zell Miller had come out and offered every American $10,000, then I can think of at least 1 voter�s admiration he would have won over. But, that didn�t happen. Instead, his contribution was an angry, hot-headed, vendictive, hateful barrage of Kerry-bashing gibberish. Nothing positive. All negative. Highly biased and opinionated. The only thing that saved him in my eyes was the comical exchange with Chris Mathews afterward. Now that was priceless! A real jewel!! I�ll be laughing for weeks over that one. The state of Georgia must be so proud!

I�m really looking forward George W�s speech tonight. Zell Miller�s one hard act to follow, though. I�d hate to be in George�s shoes. If George W can upstage Zell, then I�ll have to take my hat off to him. I�ve got faith, though. I�m sure he�ll rise to the occasion.

Zell. Hmmmmm � That�s a pretty wild name, for a Wiiiilllld & Craaazy guy.

Originally posted by Nerdling
Ok, now i'm not one to regularly post in this forum but i'm going to make one now due to the intensity of the scenes tonight.

Its my firm estimation that tonights "events" at the Republican National Convention in New York may have cost Bush this election already. It was a big gamble to say the least to have a Democratic keynote speaker who would usurp the Vice Presidents "thunder" and has it been an awful awful mistake?

Wrong all the way....

"Give 'em hell, Zell" is the guy who put the final nail in Kerry's coffin. Now even liberals, some liberals, have had their eyes opened.

Kerry's desperate, as shown by his campaign staff shake-up. His boat is sinking.

No great loss....

Besides, Hillary will be very happy!

Bout time, I don't drink the Kool-aid. You claim not to have partisan blinders on but you do not. not a criticism, just a fact. I have not seen one post where you have said anyting constructive about the republicans. All I see is hate and venom. Research is the Key, show me your research and I might agree with you. I don't agree with Bush on a lot of things but like Ron Silver, I have to go with him on Terrorism.

[edit on 2/9/04 by jrsdls]

It's so completely hillarious to see neo-con supporters calling US hateful!!!
Um, did you even watch the same convention, or the Matthews interview with Zell Miller? One Bush supporter on this thread even went as far as to say Matthews was the one who was out of line!? Zell Miller said he wished they were back in the days when he could challenge Matthews to a duel (where two individuals face of with pistols), correct me if I'm wrong but he was basically stating that he wanted to KILL Chris Matthews, no? And you call US hateful? It's also comical to see neo-con supporters trying to make sunshine out of the pile of dog$hit that was shoveled on our heads last night. It is YOUR party that spews hate, CLEARLY, you saying otherwise only vindicates our positions more and PROVES you are liars.

Everyone is a liar in a way.
What's for sure, is that the last speeches by Chaney and Miller were both out of line. Arrogant, hatefull, negative, targetting individuals and targetting the past. A lot was plain untrue or based on ignorance, even though they are not really this ignorant, they know better, which makes it worse.

If you ask me, they were trying to get the dumber americans to vote for Bush, as the slightly smart Americans were merely reminded of the ignorance that some "Republicans" tend to want to display.

Today I woke up secure in the knowledge that this race is over. Kerrys going to win.

What further solidified this was the absence of "big republicans" on Fox and other networks, the party seems to be in a state of disarray as to how the nation has responded to this. The ones I saw whilst watching dayside were almost apologetic and in a state of shock about this. The democrats walked all over thm by repeating how hateful it was.

It's sad it was so hateful.

While On Committee, Kerry Missed 38 Of 49 Intelligence Committee Hearings. OVER 76 percent.

That is a fact.

�John Kerry is a Vietnam War hero with the national-security credentials that give him credibility in the age of terrorism.�

Kerry: �Most Important Weapon in War on Terror� is �Intelligence�

And I read somewhere "John Kerry: Working to Improve America�s Intelligence Capability and National Security"

How is that? By not showing up for work?

Sen. Edwards now sits on the same committee and has missed four of eight public meetings. 50 percent missed.

Pretty poor record, no matter how you slice it.
Alright you spinmasters...back to work.

ps) Getting a lecture from a kid in Scotland about US politics is just downright strange.

Originally posted by ZeddicusZulZorander
ps) Getting a lecture from a kid in Scotland about US politics is just downright strange.

Hah.

I can recite your history better than most of your high school students. I also know exactly how your electoral system works so my nationhood is of little consequence. That was a bad ploy, for all you know I may be an American citizen

Most of you can't find the UK on the map.

Do keep up please.

Originally posted by ZeddicusZulZorander
While On Committee, Kerry Missed 38 Of 49 Intelligence Committee Hearings. OVER 76 percent.

So what?
You don't know why he missed them, what exactly he missed, you can't honestly base anything on such a single fact.
This is exactly what the republicans are doing, finding facts that they can rip out of their context to present Kerry in a bad way, when in the end they have neither said or did nothing that really matters in the entire convention!

It's sad people spend their time like this in a country that could use peoples energy in other areas.

I listened to Zell's speech last night and I don't see how anyone could see it as less than amazing. The truth rang like a bell for those who haven't warped and fogotten the meaning of "truth" back during the Bill Clinton error . . . er . . . era.

Nerdling: I think you must awake from fantasy land when the election is over and Bush is still the President.

However, instead of seeing the truth, you will probably report that: the election was a fraud; Bush paid for his votes in order to win; There is a conspiracy from UFO invaders to re-elect President Bush; The voting machines are too complicated for normal Americans.

And other propaganda that attempts to make the Liberal Socialist Democrat's irrational thinking appear as though it's rational. The problem is that rational, thinking people, who can use the science of logic, still see the irrational thoughts as irrational. You only fool yourself.

I guess we will have the answers in a couple of months.

Originally posted by Nerdling
Hah.

I can recite your history better than most of your high school students. I also know exactly how your electoral system works so my nationhood is of little consequence. That was a bad ploy, for all you know I may be an American citizen

Oh, I don't dispute that...it's just strange.
LOL! I might not be American myself.

Not a good comeback.

There is a presidential campaign on, remember? Any legislator whose ever run for the office faced the same thing.

And wait - Georgie Boy's taken more vacation days than any president in modern history. How to account for that? He was out fishin' on 9-11, as a matter of fact.

Great thread, Nerdling.

Keep up the good work.

Originally posted by Nerdling
Today I woke up secure in the knowledge that this race is over. Kerrys going to win.

What further solidified this was the absence of "big republicans" on Fox and other networks, the party seems to be in a state of disarray as to how the nation has responded to this. The ones I saw whilst watching dayside were almost apologetic and in a state of shock about this. The democrats walked all over thm by repeating how hateful it was.

It's sad it was so hateful.

i believe you place too much faith in the american electorate. i believe Kerry will win at this point, but it's far from certain. cheney and miller's speeches were exactly what (sadly) many americans wanted to hear.

-koji K.

Originally posted by koji_K
cheney and miller's speeches were exactly what (sadly) many americans wanted to hear.
-koji K.

Serious?
Then "many" Americans are ignorant.
Half of what miller said wasn't even true.

Here's some solid analysis from ZOGBY, compliments of mrmulder.

Republican convention opens: panic-mongering in the service of war and reaction
The opening day of the Republican National Convention was devoted to a crude exploitation of the September 11, 2001 tragedy, with the transparent aim of creating a climate of fear and justifying policies of war and political reaction under the banner of the �war on terrorism.�

The speakers improbably cast George W. Bush as the hero of that tragic day, and portrayed the political and intellectual cipher in the White House as a man of �strength,� �principle,� and even �vision.�

For nearly three years, the Bush administration has used the September 11 attacks as the pretext for every aspect of its agenda, from the long-planned wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, to the abrogation of Constitutional rights and civil liberties, to massive tax cuts for the rich and new inroads into the rights of workers.

Now September 11 is invoked as the reason why Bush must be kept in office for another four-year term. The Republican Party�s decision to hold the convention at New York City�s Madison Square Garden on the eve of the third anniversary of the terrorist attacks was intended to reinforce the image of Bush as a decisive �war-time� leader and commander-in-chief.
www.zogby.com...

Originally posted by Jakko

Originally posted by koji_K
cheney and miller's speeches were exactly what (sadly) many americans wanted to hear.
-koji K.

Serious?
Then "many" Americans are ignorant.
Half of what miller said wasn't even true.

yup. i dunno about "truth"... he didnt really say much with a verifiable truth value, other than the funding bills for military hardware. this marine has learned how to blow hot air like the rest of the politicians.

-koji K.