Originally posted by Arkaleus
You think he will eat anything you give him.
I think he can turn water into wine, so it would not matter what you gave him to eat.
You have done this to each of us. Your doctrine is a submissive one, with no protection for us. We are not all equal beings here, we do not
all share the same place. You are one of those who try to group all of humanity together. This to me is a horrid thought. Some of us cannot bear
the association with all men and women.
If we were all equal, there would be no discussion on this subject.
If we were not all loved equally, there would be no discussion on this subject.
You think that this is the true teaching of Jesus, that all of us are to be as one. All of us. This sir, is a foul thought, and will never
reflect the truth. You cannot put the filthy with the pure. We are not all sinners, we are not all evil, some of us bear great torments because of
the envy, evil and wickedness of men and women.
All came into this world as babies. All who enter the next world will enter as little children. Is this not what this thread is about?
Foul is what you say. I will not share my place with the ignorant, nor will I give succor to the tomrnetors of saints, I will not share my
table with the abusers of my light and the thieves of my strength. You think all of us are equally poor, equally ignorant, and all living in the
shame of foulness. God forbid that the entire earth be corrupted. You know it is not like this. Limited and poor is your vision.
Your place? Your table?
Enter the place of the Lord and sit at His table. There is room for all that choose Him.
If you think God is universally accessable, you are greatly mistaken. If something is free to obtain at the whim of desire, then it would be
found commonly among the people. But in truth, the Spirit of God is upon a tiny fraction of the men who ever lived.
All enter the world in a "state of Islam". Is that not what this thread is about? That sounds not only common, but readily accessible. One need only
return to the state from which they grew.
Whom I love I love unconditionally, and with great loyalty. Few are worthy of my love. Do you love as me?
So then your unconditional love has conditions?
You modern Christian, you think that it is easy to enter paradise. Perhaps Christ has made a place for you, but it is not the only place there
is. Perhaps I am from a different place than you. Perhaps that is why we cannot agree. You cannot see my place, nor can you understand
Were you born from a woman into a "state of Islam"? Then we came from the same place.
Maybe that it why we cannot see eye to eye. You think your universe it all there is. You think you have learned completeness. You think you
have interpreted things correctly, and are able to refute me because you think I am in error.
It is not my universe.
You modern protestant, individualism is foreign to you. You salvation requires another person who maintained his individuality. How are you
able to even stand up by yourself? Your very core being is dependant. Is that better than the man able to stand up for himself, and entreat God as
the prophets? Or does this thought make you fearful, and angry? WIll you hate me for saying that I require no permission?
I stand only with God.
My core is dependant only on God.
Better or worse I know not.
I have nothing to fear.
I have no reason to anger.
I do not hate you, though I am confused why you would require permission.
Have I not said the choice is yours to make? I seem to recall you saying one must be chosen, yours sounds more like permission than mine. Was it this
to which you refered?
I know what is in your heart, you will say that no man can stand up for himself, that ALL men require salvation. This is your ignorance and
inexperience. Not all men require the salvation of Christ. You live on the mercy of others. Some do not require mercy, and these ones must be
separated from you because of your envy.
There is no requirement. Finding salvation is a choice. This is the nature of free will.
I live as long as God allows me to live.
I envy nothing because I do not desire naught but what I have.
It is a great disservice you give to the saints who overcame all things, because they cannot abide with the rest of you who do not. You say
that you do not judge, and truly I hear do not hear one single example of discernment in your words, (you can only quote scripture), you are like a
sheep being led. Perhaps that is the only way you can obtain for yourself. I will not deride it, but you should respect those who do not go that
Sheep being led?
I am led by God.
Did you not say "He knew that not all men could receive him, except those brought forth BY THE FATHER." ?
Is this not also being led?
You need to realize that not all of us are sheep. Some are lions. Some are men. Some are angels. We do not all belong in the same house, or
herd. There is judgment and variation between us, this is the Glory of God. There are ranks and kingdoms, this is the Justice of God.
We all belong in the same house, it is our choice if we live there. Did we not all live in this house when we were born? Is this not what this thread
God judges our choices.
My knowledge is not equal to yours. I do not require the same as you. I grow my own, while you are fed by a spoon. The two ways are not
equal. Do not berate me for running when you can only walk.
I require nothing but God and what he provides. Why do you require more?
Why run? The journey has a beginning and an end. Whether you walk or run matters naught. It's the choices you make along the way that matters
I think your words on "love" are just words. I do not think you actually apply them to your life. I thnk if you were to be closely examined
you would be found to be a hypocrit, as are most men who claim Jesus.
What knowledge do you base your thoughts? Do you know me? Whether I live by these words, or struggle to live by these words does not matter.
Do you think the words of Jesus on love were just words? Do you think he applied them to his liife? Do you think he was a hypocrit?
Do you think the words of Siddhartha Gautama were just words? Do you think he applied them to his life? Do you think he was a hypocrit?
I live exactly as I speak. I do not accept everyone, I do not bless everyone, But when I act it is 100% sincere. I do not pretend to be
always correct. Somtimes I error because of the limit of my perceptions. But I hate what is worthy of hating, and love what is worthy of love, and I
am strong in love. Perhaps I know love better than you, and you do not know it. Perhaps I know a good deal many things that you do not.
You speak of the limit of your perceptions but do you realize that judging the worth of something requires clarity of perception?
You speak of better love, but do you realize that love is constant and unconditional?
Those of who you refuse to confront evil are not equal to those who establish and demonstrate judgment against it. You cannot "accept" evil.
You cannot "love" evil away. The corrupt will only be washed for a moment, and then they will turn again on you as soon as your blessing fades
away from them. You cannot return those whom God has sent away.
God does not send away man. Man turns away from God.
Those who do not wish to learn, cannot be taught. But sometimes a lesson taught is understood. Then one who did not wish to be taught seeks