Why is everyone on the Ron Paul bandwagon?

reply to post by thebtheb


I don't think it's that simple.

It hardly ever is.

I understand all the people that are cynical about the political process, as they have a right to be very cynical! We are at a point as a country where we can keep tearing down the one guy who is trying to keep us from going over the cliff, or we can keep talking about how messed up everything is. I agree that the president's powers are limited and he needs congress's help, but it is a start. It's going to take a coordinated effort of having a president who has the courage to lead this country in a new direction, and having OWS continue their efforts to reshape American policies. We are a country addicted to our government holding our hand and telling us everything is going to be ok. We need to sack up, cut out all the excess in our government and be willing to struggle for a little while. There is no easy way out of this, it's the lesser of two evils! For all the people that don't support Ron Paul I respect your opinions, however I would encourage you to do a little more research (if you haven't already) and see that he is just trying to protect your individual liberty's according to the constitution. Peace!

reply to post by tHEpROGRESSIVE


Your ignorance is showing.... This argument is so weak at this time that it's not worth addressing. all I can tell you is do the actual research about what he has proposed and how to get it done and that may educate you.

Most of the programs that he wishes to "phase out" are programs which are originally designed to work on the state level and were never meant for the federal government. Will there be hiccups... yes. he has even admitted so which is WHY you should listen already, and learn. any path that offers NO resistance leads no where and that's what we have now, and have had for decades. WAKE UP!! He's the only one who is being honest with you!!

Originally posted by moonzoo7
Excellent point, OP. I've been saying that in other posts as well. He says he's "libertarian", but doesn't support a woman's reproductive rights. That isn't personal freedom. He's a fringe personality, and he attracts fringe people. That's why he's so popular here, and the "mainstream" folks ( media included ) ignore him.
I'm glad someone stepped up and pointed this out. S&F!

edit on 23-10-2011 by moonzoo7 because: grammar

And that is quite often the case with these "libertarians". Personal freedom, so long as it doesn't go against their personal agendas. Which is moronic.

reply to post by muse7


Hey! Ron Paul has stated on many occasions that what he "starts" will be finished after he is already gone. He has no misconception, nor has he claimed he can, and will, fix everything in his time frame. He has said numerous times that the push toward freedom will start with his presidency.... START.

He has also acknowledged he can do little with certain things without the support of congress, with the exception of one crucial area.... the most despicable theft of our freedoms come from Executive Orders. Obama has signed 97 executive orders, of which the vast majority bypass the checks and balances and give the executive branch unprecedented and dangerous powers. Ron Paul has committed to review ALL executive orders and rid us of those that are unconstitutional. This alone would implement huge changes and get the ball rolling in the RIGHT direction.

for anyone who is looking for that one person to solve everything.... your mother ship awaits your departure...

For everyone else... look at the candidate who you believe is telling you the truth. you don't have to agree with everything a person says but as long as you know you are getting the truth... you can work with that person!

reply to post by izero


What do you mean by support??? does he personally enjoy abortions... NO! Is he going to allow the federal government to tell a woman what she can or can not do...NO!

At least try to get things accurate before spreading them!

reply to post by BRAVO949



A reply! Hooray!

Unconstitutional? Probably you're right here. I have studied your political system, but not that thoroughly. Yet it appears to me that the term "its unconstitutional" is used a lot by conservative politicians. Then it gets all messy and confusing.

However Ron Paul is not only approaching these issues (eliminating state departments) from the constitutional angle. He sees it more from his economic point of view. He believes the markets will do a better job. (I firmly disagree)

But it's a messy situation. As it is now the state departments are in league/controlled by corporate power. But the idea that leaving it to the market will solve this, just because of competition really seems like a ridiculous notion to me, really ridiculous.

reply to post by izero


Just because he doesn't agree with abortion doesn't mean he would make it illegal. The same is true with drugs, he has said he would end the war on drugs even though he doesn't like drugs. Tell me which of your personal liberty's would be ended because of Ron Paul's personal beliefs.

My problem with him is that he only recently saw past his campaign dollars to see the rug being pulled out from underneath everyone.

He is a pawn and puppet. He will do what he's told like a good little Republican.

If he cared he wouldn't've made himself a career politician as he's been in Congress about as long as I've been alive.

He would've been POTUS by now but his stance firmly against social programs like Social Security is a non starter for most!

reply to post by dadgad


Ahhh... thank you! A real, honest, intelligent reply!.. thank you. let me ask you, why do you not believe the free market can straighten things out? i ask only because I disagree but want to hear more of your opinion. it may weaken or strengthen my stance but I really want to understand the way you're looking at it.

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1


Interesting, cause his financial plans keep social security intact. If you watched any of his recent interviews he say's he is keeping social security and medicare intact! Next.

reply to post by TheImmaculateD1


again... not a career politician. he is a career doctor who got involved in politics because he didn't like what he saw and wanted to change it. is that not what a patriot does? When you see something that is wrong, don't you try to change it? How is this bad?

If he was career... why would he leave for a decade before coming back due to pressure from his constituents?

And as far as his stance on issues being "new" or only because he now understands what is going on... this is not true. do the research and you'll find that he has had the same stances for over 30 years and nothing is "new" to him. Even his opponents and those who do not support his ideas know better than to question his dedication and commitment and his grasp of the issues.

Originally posted by muse7
In my opinion he's no different than all of the previous presidents that promised "Change" and to do things different.

Nothing is going to change, absolutely nothing. The president first needs to support of congress to get things done. What makes you all so sure that he's going to come in and change everything?

Please remember that this man is still a politician.

The only way we will change things is when WE the people take action and get things done, instead of depending on other people to bring the "change" that we so badly want.

Complete Fail, possibly a trolling comment....has anyone ever called you a pessimist.... Ron Paul statements and actions over the last 20 years had me jumping on his bandwagon.....

Ron Paul has said that in the first four years it would be hard for a libertarian to change the system that has become known as the establishment,

But certain things he could do right away, like bringing home all troops, closing many foreign military compounds, and auditing the federal reserve.

If you would look into Ron Paul as opposed to looking at who is jumping on the Ron Paul bandwagon, I think you would be more inclined to understand

reply to post by jaws1975


He has said he would not pull these programs form those who are dependent on them but, he wants to allow people like me to opt out and take car of myself. in the interim, those who wish to continue a dependance on the government program because of what they have already contributed may do so.

Look... it's simple... by about 2030, i believe but I can check on that date but lets go with it because that's about the time frame... by 2030, the entitlement programs in the country will exceed our GDP. how can you expect to continue along this path? its not working now and its only going to get worse. That means that every dollar this country produces will go to pay people. it can not continue. When do you suggest we start to address it? Even proponents of these programs have said we can not afford to continue this way...

reply to post by zacdam


Of course social security needs to change, the same way our tax system needs change. For starters I don't believe millionaires should be allowed to collect social security or medicare. I don't think that the government should be able to tap into social security to pay for things like wars or other non productive things.

Originally posted by zacdam
reply to post by dadgad

 

Ahhh... thank you! A real, honest, intelligent reply!.. thank you. let me ask you, why do you not believe the free market can straighten things out? i ask only because I disagree but want to hear more of your opinion. it may weaken or strengthen my stance but I really want to understand the way you're looking at it.

Well thank you.

Well you see. The market, meaning business and all that, is not really interested in the well being of people. It's all about profit. It's a battle-field. And to put it short, the easiest way to profit is not necessarily through morally just routes. This is what we are dealing with today. Corporations behave morally unjust. Now they have become so powerful that they basically control the governmental institutions. Sure, eliminating state departments would decrease this power. But would it guarantee higher quality, a safety net, good health care? I don't think so.

There would be more room for competition, that is true. But then again. Will that really guarantee anything? Isn't very possible that the same situation will occur again?

The weakness in Ron Pauls approach/ideology is that he seems to have to much faith in morally just conduct. As if he believes people will simply behave well. But as history shows... they really don't.

Well I'm not sure if I expressed myself well. But we can always try again... First let me see what you have to say.

reply to post by jaws1975


I agree 100% jaws... you are absolutely right!

Sometimes it feels like we have no where to turn which will provide us with a path out of this mess but I think we do. The scary part is the CHANGE itself... where will it lead us? how will it affect me?

i deal with these thoughts everyday just in my business but we can not allow that to paralyze us into no action or worse yet... stay the course with those we KNOW lie to us expecting something different.

he's been right for over 30 years, guys.... that trend will continue and if we had listened to him back in 2002... yes, that's right... 2002 - when he warned everybody of the coming financial crisis, we wouldn't be here! Think about that for a second...in 2002, when the world still liked us and our patriotism was through he roof and the economy was growing and the housing market was incredible and NO ONE spoke the truth... he was out there warning us and we didn't listen.

Are you prepared to keep making the same mistake??

Originally posted by zacdam
reply to post by izero

 

What do you mean by support??? does he personally enjoy abortions... NO! Is he going to allow the federal government to tell a woman what she can or can not do...NO!

At least try to get things accurate before spreading them!

Sure about that?

Didnt he recently sign some anti-abortion pledge? Google it

reply to post by dadgad


I worry about that exact sentiment every damn day... One of the reasons I "want" ( and I say it that way on purpose! lol) to believe is when you look at the "free market" and the way it "can" work, i believe it is still a better option then having a socialist state where business and government are the same. I know that the "socialist" gets thrown around willy nilly but I mean it at it's core values and we already have it here and I don't see it working.

the government makes decisions with in the market according to whether they need to get elected again... the market, even in it's greed, makes decisions and corrections based on what will keep the market healthy... for the most part. There are no absolutes but history has proven this accurate.

Take interest rates, as an example.... rates were always used as a way for the market to judge when they should invest and when they should not. The government has screwed that all up by using political convenience as a benchmark leaving the actual market floundering for what is real and what isn't. That indecision is where most mal-investment comes from... biz decisions being made on a false benchmark established by an institution we know is already stealing from all of us. Lower the rates because it sounds good... looks like we're doing something but then scratch our heads when the market doesn't invest... they know it's all shyte!

Your point is so damn valid because no one... NO ONE can overcome the greed factor and someone is always going to get hurt in a free and open market.

i guess the real choice is even though you'll get hit either way... which way offers the most freedom for you as an individual to make what you deserve and do with what you want?

Originally posted by tHEpROGRESSIVE
Ron Paul is gross. At least Obama cares about people and is trying to give them jobs. Ron Paul wants to cut all kind of government departments and just leave people to die on their own. It is ridiculous!

Obama cares so much that he's willing to destroy our national security by threatening Iran and increasing warfare in the Middle East and now in Africa. Yep, what a caring president.

Also, Paul's job cuts ideas won't cost anyone their jobs. Even though I HIGHLY disagree with some of the departments and programs he'd cut, the guy is still the only chance we have at a real change in this country.

Vote Ron Paul or simply let your country die.