I had been deceived - My visit to an OWS protest

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posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 01:17 AM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
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Actually according to the e-mails obtained here they reached out to Michael Moore.

owsmail.dc406.com...

I recommend everybody reads these e-mails.

If you think this is "non-political" and has "nothing to do with the left" you are sorely mistaken.


man man man, who says it is NOT political ?? who says that ???
everything is political you know, so protest against this suicidal system is political, big political !!
and why calling leftist what is purely common sense and human behaviour against a killing economic system that is going mad ... ? Why speak about leftist influence please ??? to discredit the whole protest ?
let it be left, right, middle, down, up or even from space, I do NOT care, what is important is the reason why this protest happens !! and do you understand the reasons ??? I ask you : what are they protesting about ?
can you answer me instead of talking left / right left / right all the time .... are you glorious playing or what ? or maybe you are dancing like a manipulated puppet on the last string left ....
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posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 01:32 AM
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Originally posted by nuttin4U
How exactly do people think things are gonna change? If they ended the Federal Reserve...do they have another system to replace it? Ron Paul SEEMS like a great alternative, for the current disaster...but he would be more suited, for America, about 100 years ago. We live in a DIFFERENT world...Ladies and Gentlemen. The way of living THEN, is faaaaaaar from being the way of living NOW.

Think about it like this: in the New World Order...America is no longer "needed"; especially when China is manufacturing most, if not all, of today's products.

To me, the OWS movement....COULD BE the beginning of the end, of a once great nation. Without a tested system in place, Americans are gonna have a long road ahead. Here's the crazy part...they've got the American people so wrapped up, in the charade of fear, they're too scared to find a better way of living, elsewhere. Well, then again, that depends on what your definition of "living" is!


I think the only possible way out is to bring all the possible WORK to the US again, go out of China, go out of everywhere else possible, bring the work back to USA !! buy amercan !
all those corporations and firms did delocalize work for big profit, as much profit as possible, no work left for the americans .... bring the work back home and work for yourself, on much more little scale !!
Take back nature and agriculture, kill that Monsanto corporation, fight against those killers of YOUR nature and YOUR food !! Take back your ocean, fight for no more BP oil spill and intelligent fishing so there will be fish for the futur left, for your children ..... if they continue to fish like they do now there will be no more left soon !!
So it's simple ... take back YOUR land, take back YOUR industry, take back YOUR nature, take back YOUR jobs ..... must be possible, just do it !!

you know it well, like it is now all the profits, the big profits, are for the bankers and the firms, but all the losses and costs of the damage to nature or whatever else are for the average small investor/saver, citizen, people ....
there must be much more responsability for the financial world, like Barroso just said ! they must pay for what they demolish, not walk away with superbig bonus and without justification and responsability taking !!
That is unfair, unjust like it is now !!
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posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 01:53 AM
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Bravo for going to OWS for yourself and finding out what it was all about. It takes alot of courage and an open mind to be able to go and check something out and to do so objectively. So from the bottom of my heart thank you. I understand that what is happening right now is concerning to many citizens and that they feel as if their safety bubble is being pierced. That combined with the media's spin on events and our governments handling of the situation has led to alot of distrust and dislike for the movement. And for you to admit you were misled is really a stand up move. But I do have a small bone to pick with you..... I understand you dont think of yourself as the "protesting type". But I ask you what is the protesting type? Right now for the most part the protesting types are regular people like you and me who see a problem in our country and are using their constitutional rights to do something about it. Now by your own statement you admitted that you see some problems in our country which means you are also American. Sounds to me like you are a prime protesting candidate. Just because you stand with your nation in solidarity of the movement and in defense or our rights does not make you any less conservative. In fact if anything it would make you more so as our country was created by people who protested injustices just like we are doing today! More importantly how can you sit idly by when you see the rampant corruption in our country? A wise person once said "All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing". So will you continue to be deceive and down trodden and aid the side of evil or will you use the voice you have and stand up for what's right? As always the choice is YOURS.....



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 02:10 AM
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Now, let's walk it back to why businesses leave America in the first place. Govt intervention, regulations and taxation, labor unions, etc.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 02:17 AM
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Wow, I clicked on one email randomly that talked about the activity they used in Spain. I KNEW these people were pros and doing this in other countries. I feel so vindicated. Thanks for posting that link.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 02:19 AM
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Yeah.. but those things aren't necessarily bad, it's the big companies that are bad for not wanting the work environment to be safe, and the wages to be fair. It's basically a loophole which needs to be rectified by taxing imports so that regulations, labor unions, and etc don't look so bad.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 02:23 AM
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Originally posted by nenothtu
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If they get their way, they'll learn. I suppose experience IS the best teacher, but it's a shame they feel the need to drag the rest of us down with them. When I go down, however, I'll be going down swinging, not hugging, and they can take that to the bank - whichever bank they choose. I would suggest they take it to a small local Savings and Loan, rather than one on Wall Street where they are currently aimed by their masters.

ETA: Have they ever tried to tell you that wasn't "real communism"? I have to wonder what is more real - academicians discussing theoretical virtues, or the Policia kicking in the door and hauling away one's brother for simply speaking his mind?

Which would better qualify as "real"?







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If only they would just migrate to one of those already communist countries and leave the rest of us be....sigh...



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 02:25 AM
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Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
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Yeah.. but those things aren't necessarily bad, it's the big companies that are bad for not wanting the work environment to be safe, and the wages to be fair. It's basically a loophole which needs to be rectified by taxing imports so that regulations, labor unions, and etc don't look so bad.



Well if you would rather have no jobs than stop the complaining and protesting about not having jobs or fix the reason corporations or leaving. You want your cake and eat it too dontcha, you want the free stuff, the pure environment and the jobs....and the socialist Utopia....but it just doesn't work that way in reality. I mean the jobs are leaving for China and you somehow expect someone to pay for all the free stuff govt will give away. Would you please get real and dispense with the unreal Utopia?
And when will you libs tell China they have to have the same regulations you expect the US to have? Oh wait, that would be controlling another nation wouldn't it? Oh well no worry, you have the UN to do that.
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posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 03:00 AM
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You conservatives sure love to use that word "socialist" any time someone rocks the boat.. must
be those socialists, never have i seen a word so over used and lose it's meaning since the word "terrorist" was revised by a one mr Bush

First of all i am a Independent that wants his money back from the gangsters that extorted it from me and the millions of other victims. We want our jobs back so it must be a bad thing to want to put food on your table ... aww the socialists are picking on those poor poor bankers right lol. Socialist utopia? You claim this is not how things work well apparently the way things are NOW are not working. In the grand scheme of things the way things are suppose to work has turned out to be epic fail. But for some reason some people want more of it, more of the same. let the corruption continue. If this monetary system was all sunshine and rainbows we would not be having this demonstration across the USA as well as the world over similar issues. I don't recall anyone calling for a socialist utopia, the common denominator is a call for justice. And a change of this failed system for the better, reparations, a basic right to thrive and flourish.


Unless you unplug humanity and it's instinct to survive the people will do whatever it takes to survive and fight back. We are not going to go away, it's game over for the puppet masters. They know no end to their greed this will be the Achilles heel for them all. As history as proven time and time again.
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posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 03:08 AM
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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
"Oh the powers that be (not us damn it) are really evil meanies! You evil meanies need to stop being evil meanies and do something good for us, damn it! Where are my milk and cookies, damn it? Where is my free "health care", damn it? Where is my free stuff? I want free stuff, damn it! Where's my job? Job's, job's job's! That's our mantra, jobs! You evil meanie powers that be need to understand that you need us and that labor is the means of production, so get off yer arses and give us jobs, damn it!"

"What? What do you mean eliminating the rich and poor will also eliminate the middle class? What are you, a fascist pig?"


Wow talk about not getting it at all.
In what world do you live in anyway? Oh yeah, a world that has been good to you and you got lucky enough to make a good living.

Well no need to bash on other peoples lives that aren't so lucky and the opportunities don't always magically happen. I'm not saying you didn't work to get we're you are, but your a damn writer. You should know that if you weren't there at the right place and at the right times, you wouldn't have made it. That if you weren't willing to suck up to get a contract or a contact, you wouldn't have gotten where you are. Maybe you just don't have the same values.

I'm sick of people that make it trough life with ease that bash on other for needing help and having different views. People that have been so constantly lucky in life that they don't even notice it anymore when it happens.

I've seen people have their whole wonderful life, brought in front of them on a gold plateau without barely lifting a finger while others fight their whole life, are good people with good values and will never get all the good that they deserve.

Oh and, if you think TPTB are not behind the system going this bad, your blind.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 03:31 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Now, let's walk it back to why businesses leave America in the first place. Govt intervention, regulations and taxation, labor unions, etc.


they left because of PROFIT big PROFIT GREEDY $$$$$


because there was more profit to get up there in China or in Asia .... you didn't know or what ????

or do you prefer to pay the american worker the same as the chinese one ???
is it that what you want ??
they did leave US because they do NOT care at all about you and your family !!
someone with respect for HIS country and its citizens does not walk away from his country to find other slaves elsewhere !!! understand ??? ok. then.
so I think you are not proud enough of YOUR country and YOUR people and you prefer the slaves of Asia or China !!!

shame on you then ! go to hell !

either you live in USA and you defend YOUR people or you fly away with your bizness and leave the sh***t for your people !! ok ??? not difficult to understand except if you want to make big big profits instead of big big solidarity with your OWN people !!!!!!!!!!

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posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 03:41 AM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Wow, I clicked on one email randomly that talked about the activity they used in Spain. I KNEW these people were pros and doing this in other countries. I feel so vindicated. Thanks for posting that link.


what do you mean ??? please tell us more because what you did find or understand, we are not yet aware of your ideas .... we cann't follow all at once ok ??



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 03:48 AM
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posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 03:54 AM
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I think we are all waking up, when 10% of the population holds an unshakable belief, their belief will always be adopted by the majority of the society.

Yes, scientists have researched this.

10% turns to 100%

-Kdial1
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posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 03:57 AM
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Originally posted by kdial1
I think we are all waking up, when 10% of the population holds an unshakable belief, their belief will always be adopted by the majority of the society.

Yes Scientists have researched this.

10% turns to 100%

-Kdial1


let us hope this time once more scientists are telling the truth !!!
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posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 04:03 AM
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I totally agree, but am surprised as ive also been mislead to believing their all hippies at these protests, looks like its just a movement not for capitalism or communism but for TRUE DEMOCRACY, if its still going strong in about a week in my city im planning on attending to see for myself like you did.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 04:08 AM
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Originally posted by Maccaron.Shakaron
I totally agree, but am surprised as ive also been mislead to believing their all hippies at these protests, looks like its just a movement not for capitalism or communism but for TRUE DEMOCRACY, if its still going strong in about a week in my city im planning on attending to see for myself like you did.


yes man, just real and "JUST" democracy .... not manipulation, not robbery from bankers, not killing of nature and animals and forests, not blablabla about masturbation (
tea pottyparty lollypuppets
)
just respect for the people and for mother nature ok ?
nice to meet you
nice to see some opening of their eyes !!
welcome on board of fight for human society ! have a beer ! ( schnaps ? ) .....
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posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 04:08 AM
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Take note of how the person types. The OP is an obvious media outlet.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 04:11 AM
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Originally posted by SelfSustainedLoner
Take note of how the person types. The OP is an obvious media outlet.


please explain yourself .... what do you mean exactly because .... as a french I do not follow exactly ... sorry



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 04:14 AM
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The person behind the OP and the username is that of a media source. Posting, only to view peoples opinions too be used in whatever story they may write.





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