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I had been deceived - My visit to an OWS protest

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posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 07:26 AM
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Originally posted by projectvxn

Originally posted by mastahunta

Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by navy_vet_stg3
 


Actually according to the e-mails obtained here they reached out to Michael Moore.

owsmail.dc406.com...

I recommend everybody reads these e-mails.

If you think this is "non-political" and has "nothing to do with the left" you are sorely mistaken.


How do you know that these emails are not concocted from the opposition you are in sync with?

This is two threads from popular conservatives here on ATS who say similar things, don't you
trust them? Why would they lie to you?

www.abovetopsecret.com...


My concern isn't the protesters. My concern is who is organizing them, paying for them and WHY.

The fact that you people don't ask these questions is far more disturbing.
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Wallstreet is stealing money from your pension fund via high frequency trading , are you in favor of that ?




posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 07:28 AM
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reply to post by shogu666
 


I guess I must be because I don't support OWS right?

Is that what you're getting at?



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 07:32 AM
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reply to post by Misoir
 


I'm glad to hear that someone who is politically affiliated with a particular party has their own mind to look at the positives and negative of both parties. We need more like minded people who are not quick to judge people just because of their political affiliation. Maybe if our politicians would do the same thing, we wouldn't have political gridlock.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 07:33 AM
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I like how you are stuck in your box , you dont support OWS because you fight for your misguided sense of freedom while at the same time WallStreet is raping you .

Buahahahahahahahah.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 07:34 AM
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reply to post by Misoir
 

i had the same kind of experience visiting a tea party gathering in tucson. it was mostly middle class families concerned about what government and taxes were doing to them, and a fringe of observers looking serious. i videotaped and posted so all could see.
we all need to look and report on these events to cut through the MSM image machine.
good one, misoir.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 07:41 AM
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Wall St, isn't doing anything to me.

You don't know what my situation is or how it fits in to all of this.

Lastly, I don't need to join some group organized by people who are ideologically opposed to my sense of freedom to appease your misguided sense of reality.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 07:46 AM
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Originally posted by projectvxn
reply to post by Benevolent Heretic
 


Could it?

I'm not so sure.


Well, of course you're not sure. You don't want to think about the Tea Party being bankrolled by billionaires and what that means... (There's something it in it for THEM - NOT you)



I believe this movement is being engineered to cause social unrest and even riots and revolution.


And that would be a terrible thing? I don't think so. That's historically the way change is accomplished in this country.



It seems to me that people here, for a conspiracy site, are all too willing to trust and follow without asking pertinent questions.

Who is funding this? Who is organizing this? WHY?


All good questions, the answers to which we KNOW about the Tea Party. Koch Brothers, Rupert Murdoch... Why? Power, Control and Profit.



So why should I support this when I am a fiscal conservative?


I'm not suggesting you should. I'm saying that your criticisms of OWS can be directly applied to the Tea Party. That's all.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 07:49 AM
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So a few billionaires helped out.

If it's liberal billionaires they're just being philanthropic right?

Edit:

Not that I disagree with the assertion that some of these billionaires would be supporting it to get more republicans in office that could be malleable to influence. Of that I am certain. But I just don't see where the members of the Tea Party who were elected to office have failed in their mission of fiscal conservatism when there are more than enough republicans of the establishment cloth to counter act them.

Boehner come to mind. and so does Lindsey Graham.

I'm saying that while the billionaires may have been there to provide some money, the ideals have stood the test while the republicans who weren't challenged by the Tea Party have not.
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posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 07:51 AM
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reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
 


You are undeniable correct. I think that there are people out there who can provide the ideas and resources to rise the phoenix from the ashes. Maybe just maybe that this upheaval is not meant for the powers that be, but more so for the ones that have been shafted by our shadow governments. One thing to keep in mind is that those that form the world today, all have one goal in hand. They all need to agree on set objectives, in short we need to put the right individuals in the same room!



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 07:54 AM
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No you never saw that outside of conservative sites and conspiracy theory sites. OWS is not about that.

Also we aren't the "target" for CO2 blah blah. All western civilization is subject to it and you will see a running theme in the type of governments that aren't. What you are saying amounts to a business' right to make production as cheap as possible even if it creates excessive pollution supercedes the right of people to enjoy clean air and water.

That wasn't even the topic I was on, but I had to touch on it to since you brought it up.

Why are you even arguing with me on this one? It is all common sense.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 08:01 AM
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It drives me insane man..
Some of these people are literally surgically attached to their party or liberal/conservative ideas.

I myself am mostly liberal, but a gun owner and gun rights supporter. I support universal healthcare, but not Obama or his healthcare plan. I support Ron Paul and hope he breaks the left/right cycle, but don't support all of his ideas.
I support OWS, but hope they start focusing on both Wall Street and the politicians that allow the government to be corrupted by W.S. equally (protest them both!).

So I would consider myself decently bipartisan, but more importantly I align with common sense always.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 08:03 AM
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reply to post by projectvxn
 


I would love to know how they are ideologically opposed to your sense of freedom.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 08:06 AM
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Redistribution of wealth and collectivism is against my notions of freedom. And when they have far left groups who advocate for these things bankrolling them..Well...

There you go.
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posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 08:12 AM
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See.. that's ridiculous though.

Hitler himself could lay a thousand dollars on the ground and I could come pick it up and do something good with it. Get what I am saying? You are fighting against something good for an ignorant reason.

You know this is true, because you can't even say you are against what the protestors stand for you have to use that cop out conspiracy theorist "i don't like who is paying them." So who cares who started something cause trouble, you are being fooled into being against something good because how you think it started. Hell maybe they knew a rebellion was on the rise so socialist groups were coerced into funding one to discredit it. Sometimes you have to take things at face value and trust the people on the corner. Not what you read on some conservative site or conspiracy forum. All you need to know is people are on the corner for YOU. They have been int hes streets for 30 days to try to fix a problem in our country.
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posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 08:14 AM
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I don't see a bunch of redistributionsists as good.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 08:16 AM
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reply to post by Misoir
 


That is great to hear........I must of missed what town you live in? Here in Joplin, Mo, home of the great tornado..........a occupy group is being organized.

Unfortunately it seems to be building with a moveon.org attitude. I have already been called out as spreading conservative propaganda when I bring up issues concerning the CFR, media and the Fed……….The group here is organizing under the "spread the wealth" attitude..........



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 08:17 AM
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reply to post by projectvxn
 


Cool. You know what else you don't see? A bunch of "redistributionalists".. period.



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 08:18 AM
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reply to post by Cloudsinthesky
 


That's unfortunate. The movements here are organizing more under the "end conflict of interest between big business and govt" attitude and though we are a small tri city area I think we have the right focus.

It's your job to get out there and try to change their minds. You hold your sign and maybe people will see it and you will have more like minded protestors on the corner.
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posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 08:24 AM
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reply to post by Misoir
 


As with any movement, it starts out slwo and low in numbers, then the numers increase adn the movement gets attention, yet we must remember not everyone believes the same on eaqch and every situation we face each and every day. Of course most people are unaware how deep and meaningful this is to America and the world. I feel this is a human movement changing the system. It will be a long run for this movement to take hold. I expect this to last well into the winter and beyond. I have not had the pleasure of visiting a protest YET, but I am saving every cent I can, I hope to be there before december 1st prepared to stay to the end. Im glad you at least have opened your mind to understand We The People are in a revolution against the system



posted on Oct, 16 2011 @ 08:26 AM
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Oh don't worry I will be involved.............Joplin has become one big Gov handout since the tornado..........





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