Question for those who say they are losing rights in the US

reply to post by Xcathdra


Ok well just a few.

Patriot Act we lost privacy on our cell phones, govt has right to imprison us as long as they want without a trail.just a couple examples from that piece of #%^#.

Obama went to war through the U.N. Without congressional approval. By the way we pay the bill for 90% of U.N. Funds.

Bills of rights and constitution since early 1900's has been getting slowly manipulated and stepped on. IRS is actually a illegal!! Only the states are allowed to tax not the federal government check out the documents. They will back up what I am saying.

Obama last week said on tv his criminal staff will pass his jobs bill without congress using his legal team and executive orders!!

Our government was built with checks and balances but now a days they don't care they go around it like we have been doing this a while no one has stopped us let just do what we want. We now have a secret super 6 committee put together by the administration to take actions and over rule the congress and house.

We are only one major disaster away from dictatorship.

If I had a nickel every time I've had one of my freedoms encroached upon, I'd be the one taking everyone else's freedoms by now.

reply to post by Xcathdra


How about this: you suggest a "right" you think we still have, and see how many posters can show examples of that right being violated.

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Voluntary? Are you kidding? You have no choice in this country. If you want to board a bus, train or plane indeed you must go through security.I don't know what country you are from but thats the way it is here now.Furthermore, the police think that now you don't have a right to video them for any reason. This is being fought out in the courts. You used to be able to assemble peacefully , but now you must have a 'permit' to do so.If the court decides they don't like your cause, then you can't do it. I could go on and on but I'll leave it at that for now.

Consent
We voluntarily gave up our rights.
End of story.

www.privacysense.net...

www.thefreedictionary.com...

To save myself the time and effort, I'll revert you to a previous comment I made to another chap here on ATS a few days ago.

An example?

"...to be secure in one's person, house, papers, vehicle[14], and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures."

Yet everyday people's computers, cellphones, and online information are hacked and processed, searched and seized not only unreasonably, but most times without the person's knowledge by governments and various corporate entities. Not knowing something is happening doesn't make legal.

"...having the tools needed for one's livelihood."

Tools like food, water, a promotion of good health, and an occupation are all necessities yet Corporately proposed laws are being entertained that limit home gardens due to their "potential to increase insect/rodent populations." Once Oil Tycoons have turned their attentions towards controlling water sources, which includes draining underground lakes and storing it, drying up farms and personal wells for entire regions in the process. Good health. I won't even delve into those murky waters and the toxins that are allowed to be placed in food and drugs, while denying people affordable/fair healthcare. And lastly, the outsourcing of jobs, the corporations that move into towns, destroy all local businesses, then replace their own workers with automated machines, reducing entire communities into ghost towns. Corporations that steal patents, then destroy anyone who dares claim the idea in courts that they control. The Constitution can no longer blanket the needs of the masses, and the criminal few have learned to use it as a weapon, like so many religious fundamentalists have learned to use their scriptures as weapons of war.

Wow, talk about a troll thread!

You said something about "guaranteed individual rights". That is an asinine phrase. A right doesn't need to be guaranteed, it just is.

Like the the message about growing and harvesting plants. You said that is not a guaranteed individual right. I disagree. I should have every right to grow and harvest naturally occurring plants. Yes, even coca, opium and maryjane. Just because you, or some other deluded person thinks they know my life better than I do does not make you, or them, right.

You also said that a person can trade on their own property. No, they can not. Unless, of course, big brother says it is OK. That, my friend, makes it a privilege, not a right.

I don't want to addrss any more points. I think you are a troll.

Another saying...

Your Rights End
When You Violate Mine.

Know your rights.

All three of them.....

The future is unwritten.

The second amenment says I have the right to bear arms. Period. I cannot buy a full auto AR-15 today in the US. The second amendment does not say I have the right to bear "some " arms...

I am almost 64 years old. The list of things I could do without government interference when I was a young man as opposed to now is so long I do not know where to begin.

I do know this. I lived for the past 6 1/2 years in the Republic of Moldova. It is one of the republics of the former Soviet Union. It was a really sad day when I was there and realized that I had more freedom in Moldova than I do in America. That pretty much says it all.

To those of you who are so intent on turning America into a socialist state, you are being led down the primrose path by those whose objective it is to enslave you.

Originally posted by Xcathdra
I have seen this comment used quite a bit by people lately and I am curious.

Exactly what rights have American citizens lost?
When did they lose those rights?

Im not looking for a fight or anything, but am curious as to what people are seeing in regards to this topic.

edit on 15-10-2011 by Xcathdra because: spelling

In the declaration of independance lies your answers. Our government is totally ignorning our declaration. they dont even know what it means let alone obide by it. our rights according to the declaration is free speech, freedom to choose or not choose religion, freedom to bare arms, freedom to revoke the governementfreedom from az controlling government. and yes the cirrent government is not obeying the declaration of independance nor the constitution. we lost our rights the moment eurpoe declared north america a new country a new territory. WHat most americans do not understand is, america is ruled buy europe, brittian which is what our forefathers and nieghbors faiught aqgainst. are you like a elites who is trolling against the freedom of humans, are you afraid of loosing you money? or are you a caring american who wants the better for americans?are you?

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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
It's my property isnt it? See above.


Stated by XCathdra:
"You cant fix your own roof because of a state law, not federal. Since its not in the federal constitution, it falls to the state, who in turn passed a law saying only XYZX can do roof repair. Again, where did you lose a right?"

(First off, I'm almost positive i did the quotation thing wrong. If so, it's from page 4 of this thread.)

Ok, this is literally my first post ever on this site, and I may be completely wrong.

As (hopefully) listed above you stated that since there was no law in the federal constitution about roof repair it fell to the states. Well, prior to the state passing a law saying that only "XYZ" could do roof repair, the people of that state could. Right?

Using that logic, they lost a "right" when the state passed a law no longer allowing the people of that state to do their own roof repair.

The Right Lost: The ability to repair their own roof.

Now you may ask where was it stated that the people of said state held that right in the first place and that would be a good question, however, if the people of said state never had the right to replace their roof in the first place then there wouldn't be a need to pass a law prohibiting such actions, no?

I look forward to your reply.

Ok, I think I'm done. Hope it helps

The Unseenmonument

Originally posted by ParkerCramer

Let me see if I can make this easy.................WHY DON'T YOU LIST THE RIGHTS YOU SAY WE ARE ENTITLED TOO............................this should make it simpler for all.

Now, no deflection..............just simply list our rights, then maybe we can have something to talk about.

Parker
MTUBY

I'm not "entitled" to ANY rights. The question of "title" to those rights never enters the equation at all. I don't hold "title" to rights, and am thus not "entitled" to them, they just ARE. I own them, lock, stock, and barrel. I need no man's permission to exercise my own rights - I just DO IT.

My right, likewise, are not "granted" by any piece of paper, up to and including the US Constitution. The Bill of Rights preclude the government from interfering in my exercise of certain rights, which the government soundly ignores. When that happens, I exercise them any how. "Ignoring" my rights is not the same as TAKING them.

RIGHTS CAN NOT BE "TAKEN". You can only fail to exercise them out of cowardice. Just because one fails to exercise his rights does not mean they cease to exist, it only means he no longer has a backbone.

Constitutional rights. Every single time the government does something in spite of the constitution, the people lose rights. Just being told we have these rights is enough for some people, but for those who are awake it is obvious that that is a lie, and it is evident every single time the constitution is trampled on.

Originally posted by ChaoticOrder
reply to post by Xcathdra

 

So you believe being able to grow organic food isn't a right, being able to repair ones home isn't a right, and being able to trade freely shouldn't be individual rights?

And here's another one for you. It's illegal in many places to feed homeless people. It's literally illegal to share food with people who need it the most. They must depend on Government sanctioned food houses which aren't open very often and are typically in a bad part of the neighborhood. I will give my food to any damn Human on the Earth and I don't need the big brothers approval.

edit on 15-10-2011 by ChaoticOrder because: (no reason given)

There it is. A fine example of the distinction between what is "legal" and what is a right.

It's illegal, but you state your intention to do it as YOU see fit, asking permission of no man.

THAT is a "right", and no one can ever take it - you can only fail to exercise it. Legalities do not matter in the slightest where rights are concerned.

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
I can't slap a gun on my hip and travel freely.

Yes you can.

Sure, I can. Maybe you can with your LEO status but I can't. The moment I hit a particular state line I'll be tackled, tossed in prison and labeled a felon for life. Not to mention the numerous "gun free" zones within the state.

Then why bother carrying the gun in the first place, if you'll fail to use it in the prevention of such? What's it for, looks?

How about you admit you believe our rights are granted to us by government so we can stop playing "lawyer ball"?

From where I stand, and judging by the restrictions you've listed, YOU are the one who believes right are granted by government, since in EVERY example you list, the government is somehow "taking" them, and they can in no way take ANYTHING that you do not willingly hand over to them.

Ok.. Where to start?? We live in a country where big companys can cry and whine about going broke due to piss poor management ( I.E: banks, car manufacturers,) and takeing our tax money to bail them out while they get paid millions in salarys.. freedom of speech ummm .. Not mention GOD/religion in public schools oh nooo that is a biggg no no.. Even though our country was founded for the such said reason for religion.. And not to mention illegal immigrants that some how get food stamps that I pay for with MY taxes that hard working AMERICANS who needs them can't get them.(no im not meaning that in a racist way) And let me mention how our govt listens more to whiney so called rights groups and bends over backwards to them to make them happy beside haveing common sense and looking out for blue collar americans that pay more then their fair share of taxes while the rich pay hardly next to nothing... and most of all how a criminal has more rights then law abiding citzens.. Y??? becouse the cops have there hands tied. becouse of whiney so called rights group.. im not bitching about my country im blessed to live here.. but our govt forgot COMMEN SENSE and screwing the wrong people..