reply to post by RSF77
Sure, Progressives of yesteryear sought to destroy governmental corruption. They achieved some good things for equality. Progressives of today seek
socialist and an end to individualism and capitalism.
Not sure what that has to do with this topic, or me, but I digress.
reply to post by Xcathdra
What a politician says and what a politician DOES are two different things. See: Barrack Obama.
I have a feeling this is heading right back to the age old argument of peaceful protest versus violent revolution, because those are basically the two
sides of the coin to repairing government.
In the end, all that matters is the same answer, no matter how you get to it, and that is that GOVERNMENT IS BROKEN. Peace has had a chance to fix it
and failed, and Occupy Wall Street is no different. Sure, the politicos will say everything they want to hear and promise the best of changes, but in
the end it never- EVER happens, and people will just go on home.
The influence that people have over government occurs when they point a gun barrel at them. Otherwise, they don't have anything to fear. They are in
control. The game is rigged. The elections, the laws, the regulations, the right violations, the economy - it doesn't matter what the people say
because the government is going to do whatever it is they want to regardless. It doesn't matter if people stand in the park for 20 years, how is that
going to hurt the government? Life goes on for them as they control the other 299 million Americans who aren't standing in a park and having their
Education would work if people listened and people don't. They are controlled and they are complacent. No one will question the "official story" of
things. Hell, most people are too afraid to question exactly why the Civil War was even fought, never questioning the government story of "ending
slavery". People trust the government because they are afraid of what would happen without them. Therefore any education you plan to spread better be
government sponsored and supportive, or it isn't going to happen.
I interpret the Constitution strictly. I believe in freedom for all man, so long as he doesn't interfere directly with another man's freedom. That
means no killing, no trespassing, no stealing, no forcing beliefs, ect. That is the way the majority of Founding Father interpreted it, so if you
believe that to be wrong, then you have an up hill struggle there.
and yet a person can jump through those hoops and get a gun.
Illegally. There was a class action court case posted on ATS only a few weeks ago in which a group of people were denied that privilege with no
grounds. The judge deemed that it was simply unnecessary for them to have guns. This is a "hoop" that they had no hope of getting through.
As far as the reasons given for your search, I dont buy it. What state did this occur in? What agency? what time? where were you at? what was the
reason for the stop?
I do not know the law as it is impossible to know the ins and outs of such a pervasive system that differs from region to region. I do know the
Constitution, however, fully, and I understand it.
As far as my stop, it was in Oklahoma by the Oklahoma State Police. It was about 3:00 in the afternoon and we were passing through I don't know what
town on our road trip. The police officer stopped us (myself and two friends) stating that it was "Odd to see three men driving so far away from home
without women." He took all of our IDs, which we gave willingly, and then told us to pop the trunk. I was in the passenger seat at the time and I
denied. He then asked the driver to get out of the car, took him away and talked to him. The LEO walked up and pulled the trunk release and the
proceeded to go back to search our baggage. He found a bag of protein powder and asked us if it was coc aine. We had to explain to him, though it
was quite obvious, that my one friend was a body builder. All in all, after about 40 mins, the cop told us to carry on, got in his car and pulled away
immediately. He returned 5 minutes later as he had taken my friend's license with him.
I consulted a lawyer about the situation when I got home and looked through previous cases and found that it was worthless to pursue legal action
because nothing was ever done about it in all the cases I've seen.
Back to the subject of "Action" and people taking it. Action is being taken. Action as BEEN taken. It served no purpose, no matter how educated the
people are. You can't change a system of rules by following the same rules you are trying to change.
How to fix it? All of it?
Swift and violent. Constitutional in base, removing all laws / entities created by the government they had no right to create.