Originally posted by Xcathdra
reply to post by RSF77
I didnt take it as being harsh so no worries there man.
The government is not there to lead the people, its there to fulfill the vison of the people - their dream, not the ruling class.
People have this irritating ability to point out the problems, and point the finger, and then just stop and throw the towel in.
When the meeting ajourned back in the day when the blue prints of our government were created, a question was asked -
What type of government did the people get?
The response was telling -
A Republic, if they can keep it.
From day one, its been incumbent of the people to participate in government as the ultimate chcks and balance. The C and B for the 3 branches attempts to equal them out, with the ultimate power being reserved with the people.
Every 2 years in this country we get to over throw our government. The responses ive seen in this thread are passionate and valid, but need to be focused to be effective. If the US federal government fails, the American people fail. The world judges us on our actions as a country, not as a government, because in representative republics the government is the people.
As I stated, people make claims about rights being taken, but they cant explain what those rights are, or they give "rights" that arent rights at all, they gie blanket examples / statements that dont take into account the different levels of government.
We have elected officals who know what the constitution is, but have never taken the time to read it and understand it. I view that problem as a direct result of the people, the citizens, not know what it actually says either.
When an uninformed person is elected to office, its generally because the people who voted are also uninformed. We know this because people will state why they voted for an individual, and the predominant answer is because the person shares my same views or close to them.
I agree with you on a lot of things, it makes me wonder why everyone sees everything so differently.
Originally posted by HellstormRising
reply to post by RSF77
Don't take what I said the wrong way. I'm sick of it too. Once they've beaten us down far enough they will destroy our freedoms. I know this, you know this, most of the people at ATS at least have some semblance of knowledge on this but people are to stupid or greedy to do anything about it. I don't lay down and take it that is just my perspective on the atmosphere. People are pissed because of the erosion of the rights we still have and most of the people pissed off and doing something about it lack the understanding of the rights that we had in the past. It's tyranny via apathy of the people and that's what they're counting on.
This is one of the reasons I still go to this site because I still believe that there is a chance for the people to make the government finally represent them for the first time since the mid 60's and tell all the lobbyists and corporations to go somewhere else. The key is to get true representation in our government which is definitely not the case currently.
I don't want to turn this into a 2012 presidential debate, but that is why I truly believe that Ron Paul is our man. Once society at large is content, everything else will begin to fall into place one way or another, it might take a little elbow grease though.
This is a main point of a progressive ideology for a better humanity as a whole. This is not only grassroots American, this is subtle grassroots western philosophy and the course of history that a increasingly intermingling intelligent race is taking. Not only western people, but the entire world is becoming alert, aware and increasingly intelligent. The "rights" that you are asking about being infringed upon are far deeper than you expect.
Many progressive ideas have been trying to find their way into one for all of our history, only the selfishness, greed and irrationality is holding us back as a force of nature. This is why people are pissed off.
edit on 15-10-2011 by RSF77 because: (no reason given)