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The Job Killers- Why are Republicans determinded to snuff the recovery.

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posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 02:50 PM
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I read this article from another website today and really would like to share.
After doing a search I did not find this previously posted, if it has please move or delete.

source=motherjones

This article has very interesting info about the Republican party voting again and again to stiffle economic recovery.


So do Republicans truly want to end deficits? No, or they would have paid for the 2001 tax cuts. Do they prioritize revitalizing the economy? Apparently not, or they wouldn't be kicking it as it struggles to get up. It's hard to believe that some of our political leaders would be willing to wreak havoc with Americans' lives and businesses, yet every day that conclusion becomes harder to escape.


Note this is not just republicans but mostly.



Grover Norquist's "Taxpayer Protection Pledge," a document the length and subtlety of a bumper sticker that commits politicians to oppose "any and all efforts to increase taxes." To date, all the GOP hopefuls, save Jon Huntsman, have signed on, as have 238 House members (99 percent of the GOP caucus), 41 senators, and more than 1,200 state legislators



I would like the people of ATS to read the full article and comment. Especially the posters whom have Ron Paul on their signatures. Simply because while he may or may not be great... He is still Republican.



Americans might not want to sell off Teddy's national parks, let Ike's highways fall apart, and kill Nixon's EPA. But if the cuts are sold as a way to stave off national bankruptcy—at a time when we've all been forced to grapple with our personal debt—that might play. Let the economists yammer about how the deficit is neither dangerous nor out of hand: We've got overpaid bureaucrats sucking the lifeblood out of our economy! Bring on the exterminators!



Our tax code is favoring the corporations and uber rich, while the middle class are paying for it.

This article also points out how many americans depend on the government for jobs. We are talking about everything from teachers, military, to the construction worker.



And it's also what keeps paychecks coming to the 20 million Americans who work for federal, state, and local governments, the 1.4 million active-duty military personnel, the 55 million on Social Security, and last but certainly not least the 300,000-plus businesses that depend in whole or in part on government contracts. So even if your goal is to drown the government in the tub, you might just want to consider delaying the deed until the economy gets out of its slump.



Thanks for reading




posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 02:52 PM
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The Republicans and their lackeys will do everything in their power to work AGAINST recovery so long as President Obama is in office.

It's sad how much the right simply HATES working class Americans today...



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 02:57 PM
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They'll work against recovery no matter who is in charge.

High unemployment means that the big corporations can demand the ability to pay lower wages, due to a "labor surplus." High unemployment also damages small business, because they are losing their own workers and customers, and are unable to diminish costs like hte big guys do. So they end up selling at a loss to the big guys. At the same time the public is repeatedly told that in crazy times you have to do crazy things - like sell off public investments to the lowest bidder.

This is an effort by the corporatocracy to break apart our infrastructure for profit, and reduce the American people to serf status, where we need to be grateful to have a job, even if it's sixty hours a week and doesn't cover our expenses.

It's been done in many other nations. The United States is just the next Bolivia, and the sad thing is, a lot of Americans are actively demanding it happen, because of their nonsense political ideology.
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posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 02:58 PM
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Kind of short sided when the problem is a deficit,the problem at hand is spending of Democrats to fund wars,republicans have always been for free enterprise,Democrats are more for Socialism ,in other words living off the government,why don't you try getting a job other then one connected to Govt,or go off public assistance,because all that does is add to the problem,I don't want the US to become a communist country



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 02:59 PM
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As a middle class American I would like to know what recovery? They keep saying we could have a double dip...well where I stand we can't because we never came out of the first dip.

As for it being the republicans. Folks Washington is playing good cop bad cop with us. It's just their turn to be in the hot seat. They already know what they want to happen and how to make it happen.



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 03:04 PM
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Here's my question to you:

When Republicans are in charge, they say they want the economy to be better.

When Democrats are in charge, they say they want the economy to be better.

When Republicans are in charge, they say they want lower taxes.

When Democrats are in charge, they say they want lower taxes.

Both groups claim they want more jobs, stimulus, etc.

So if both groups claim they want a better economy, lower taxes, more jobs, more stimulation - then why don't we have it?

It's because they don't really want it....

Do you not see that we, Democrats and Republicans, are kept at odds with one another?

It's a game. A game that will continue untill "they" have won. Their game is a game of power and control. Untill you realize that both groups want you as a slave, you will continue to be one.

Rise above the differences and see the larger picture - both groups have ran this country into the dirt; Democrats and Republicans alike....

And I'm a Republican on paper....

They are both a joke, with figurehead presidents and crooked poloticians. It's a joke. But only they think it's funny.



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 03:05 PM
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They really need to ban Thread titles like these and delete these types of threads completely, why?

Because if you are ignorant enough to think that the GOP or the Demo's, one is good the other is not than you're completely ignorant and what we consider sheeple.

There's nothing more irritating on ATS than members who are still ignorant to the Republican/Democrat paradigm and actually believe the crap these parties spew from their mouths or the articles written by shills of these parties.

It's sad.



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 03:09 PM
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The video in the link below should help you understand bettter what is going on.

thehill.com...

The republican house house has passed a budget and over 100 bills and they are all stuck in the Democratic Senate.

Edit to add:
Actually this one is better, as it is the entire interview.

www.mofopolitics.com...
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posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by Oldtimer2
Kind of short sided when the problem is a deficit,the problem at hand is spending of Democrats to fund wars


lolwhut? With the exception of our involvement in Bosnia and Haiti - both tiny and short endeavors - every military operation in the last thirty years has been kicked off by a Republican; From Reagan's mass-force invasions of Panama and Grenada, to Poppy Bush deciding we needed our first land war in Africa, to Kiddo Bush's two-for-one invasions.


republicans have always been for free enterprise,


I think you either don't know much about the Republicans, or you don't actually know what "free enterprise" is. The Republicans - even back when they were the "liberal" party have only supported big business, at the expense of smaller businesses, employees, and customers. That Party's always been staunchly in favor of smashing Workers' organizations and feeding public money to private corporations (Lincoln was an exception; he was a socialist - but the party didn't follow his example)


Democrats are more for Socialism ,in other words living off the government,


That's actually not socialism. That's a welfare state, which can (and does) exist under any economic model. Socialism is the concept that the people of a nation should have a working investment in the businesses of that nation; If I work for a company, if I pay for products from that company, then I should have some say in the operation of this company, because I am at least as important as the guy cutting checks and taking profits.

Also, Democrats are not for socialism. If they were, they'd win elections more consistently.


why don't you try getting a job other then one connected to Govt,


Government jobs perform essential functions. But hey, if you want to tell a marine "get a job, ya lazy bum!" be my guest.


or go off public assistance,because all that does is add to the problem,


Public assistance; 11 billion-ish.
Corporate bailouts: 4 trillion

Welfare money also goes straight into local businesses, stimulating legal economies. it also elevates the living standards of people who would otherwise go without, which brings its own benefits to the greater society.

Those bailouts though went into offshore bank accounts. Who's the greater problem, again?


I don't want the US to become a communist country


I doubt you know what "communism" is, either, other than some word you know you're supposed to dislike.



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 03:16 PM
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The Right IS Working class America.
I know Democrats are being told they represent 99% of the population, and only rich elitist are Republicans .. but fact is, over half the country votes Republican. Most of which is the middle class! Unlike the Democrats who are supported by bought and paid for poor.

Building roads does not create jobs.

Sorry.

Failed last time, will fail again .. just more political kick backs (cough cough solyndra)



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 03:17 PM
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If I work for a company, if I pay for products from that company, then I should have some say in the operation of this company, because I am at least as important as the guy cutting checks and taking profits.


You do have a say. If you dont like what a company you work for does, you are free to quit at anytime. If you dont like what a company does that you buy products from, you are free at any time to quit buying those products, as long as you dont have a contract that commits you to buy a certain amount of their products.

The fact is that the owner/owners are the ones that risked their capital to start the business. They are in control of how much say you have in its operation or where its profits go, except for your right to quit or discontinue buying their products.

If you want control over the operation and spending of a company then start your own.



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 03:20 PM
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I agree with what you said but I wanted to clarify one point that you were trying to make. Building roads create jobs, but they are temporary and very expensive. It would be in line with the $380,000 dollars per job the Obama admin spent in the stimulus or possibly even the $2 million per job he spent on his green jobs initiatives. Obviously these things make no financial sense.



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 03:21 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by negativenihil
 


The Right IS Working class America.
I know Democrats are being told they represent 99% of the population, and only rich elitist are Republicans .. but fact is, over half the country votes Republican. Most of which is the middle class! Unlike the Democrats who are supported by bought and paid for poor.


Ok, let me go ahead and spoon feed it to you this way, since we're all jumping to conclusions.

The Elected Republicans... The Right Wing....

The people in office.

Not the average American who's been duped into voting against their best interests...

The Elected Republicans are the ones working against the average American person. Not Joe Sixpack with his Perry 2012 T shirt. The Republican men, in suits, in DC.

My original repely had nothing to do with the average person.



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 03:24 PM
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Originally posted by SadButTrue
They really need to ban Thread titles like these and delete these types of threads completely, why?

Because if you are ignorant enough to think that the GOP or the Demo's, one is good the other is not than you're completely ignorant and what we consider sheeple.

There's nothing more irritating on ATS than members who are still ignorant to the Republican/Democrat paradigm and actually believe the crap these parties spew from their mouths or the articles written by shills of these parties.

It's sad.



This thread is titled according to T&C rules about using the original titles to facilitate searching.
Your input is noted, but not agreed with.



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 03:27 PM
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Gee... I'm sorry.. but if you're talking about elected officials (those whores in suits) then there is no difference between a Republican and a Democrat.

One sells me out to an oil corporation.
The other taxes me first then sells me out to an oil corporation.

!@$!@ it, !@$! them, !@$ it all.

Under the Democrats we got a neo-Fascist health plan benefit mega corporations, a new penalizing tax for not buying corporate goods set by corporate pricing, enforced by the Government.

I'll vote against whoever is in office .. I voted for a Democrat last time, I learned that mistake because it was the single worst vote I've ever cast. I'll vote Republican against any Democrat, and with my party the rest of the time (Libertarian)

PS because of construction halts during 2007-2009, the recommissioning of projects, the start of new projects and so forth has not actually generated a job, so much as it has preserved jobs .. and in fact, most construction crews are averaging 60% work force, resulting in a decline in the number working per project.

The vast majority of other jobs created are minimum wage. Yay.
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posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by negativenihil
 


The Right IS Working class America.
I know Democrats are being told they represent 99% of the population, and only rich elitist are Republicans .. but fact is, over half the country votes Republican. Most of which is the middle class! Unlike the Democrats who are supported by bought and paid for poor.


I'm sorry, but you're being stupid. One, the poor are "working class." I don't know what magical fantasy land you live in where work = wealth, but it's not one represented in reality. Second, no one claims Democrats are 99% of the population; rather the point to that is that the vast majority of Americans are not part of that 1% of the world that owns 40% of the wealth. That's not party, that's just damn fact.

Third, the problem with Republican voters, is simply that they tend to vote against hteir own self-interest. They're so easily frightened by boogeymen issues that they'll sell out everything that really matters just to feel "safe" from the bogeyman. They're trading their retirements for promises that their daughters will never get a HPV vaccine. They're willing ot trash their "small businesses" so long as they have a promise that we'll kill lots of heathens on the other side of the world.


Building roads does not create jobs.

Sorry.

Failed last time, will fail again .. just more political kick backs (cough cough solyndra)


Actually, yes it does. Know why? You need people to build roads. Those people are employed to do this work. People are employed to produce the materials and machinery needed to build roads.Do you even have a basic understanding of how this works?



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 03:30 PM
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In reality there are no poor people in America. Even those on welfare have plenty of food, shelter, clothing, etc... They also have cable TV and many of them, if not most, have cell phones. That is not being poor.



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 03:33 PM
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Originally posted by Convicted
You do have a say. If you dont like what a company you work for does, you are free to quit at anytime. If you dont like what a company does that you buy products from, you are free at any time to quit buying those products, as long as you dont have a contract that commits you to buy a certain amount of their products.


Maybe you didn't learn the lesson of the hippies. See, those kids back in the 60's believed that if they "dropped out," everyone would stop what they were doing to find out why all the kids stopped participating, and then they could explain to everyone and get the result they wanted. What happened is that the world didn't even stop to glance back.

Non-participation does not get results.


The fact is that the owner/owners are the ones that risked their capital to start the business. They are in control of how much say you have in its operation or where its profits go, except for your right to quit or discontinue buying their products.

If you want control over the operation and spending of a company then start your own.


Any business relies on its local community for existence, both in terms of customersand employees. Further, these businesses often have other impacts on the locality; people who happen to live near a mining operation should, without any question, have a say in what this mine does with its tailings, which pose a health hazard to that community, for instance.

Arguments can be made either way, either from an inclusive socialist perspective, or from an exclusive capitalist one. Regardless, the point of my post was that socialism is not what that poster thought it was.



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 03:35 PM
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Originally posted by Convicted
reply to post by TheWalkingFox
 


In reality there are no poor people in America. Even those on welfare have plenty of food, shelter, clothing, etc... They also have cable TV and many of them, if not most, have cell phones. That is not being poor.



If you're spending 40+ hours a week in the workplace and all you have to show for it is a pot of mac and cheese and a double-wide, then yes, you are poor. No, it's not Niger-level poor... but hey, those people have tents and lentils, so THEY must not be poor, either, right?

Plus you're ignoring the several million homeless that populate the US.



posted on Oct, 10 2011 @ 03:36 PM
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Way to derail the thread, and completely ignore my reply yet respond anyway!


Even earned yourself a few stars - good job




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