For Those Who Don't "Get" OWS. This Explains It...

i support the protest good to see americans getting off the couch and joining a common cause!

to the protesters... remember mubarak thought the protests were stupid and pointless.

to the nay sayers...are you saying the country is perfect? waiting for the perfect protest? are you all knowing? there are many protesters with many views/reasons. there is no perfect. we have a chance to take a swing at those who would try and oppress us or maybe we can be heard just a lttle bit more. and maybe all your negativity and backstabbing/ridiculing will make your dreams of living under the current systems boot heel go on forever. the fact remains real americans are getting off their asses and making an attempt. i know lets ridicule them or any potential protesters so that??????

Originally posted by xavi1000
reply to post by Rockdisjoint

 

Hm ,propaganda ... your observation is wrong ...just see the names who refuse to give interviews

If you were doing an interview for a filmmaker who is clearly bias and it going to show you in a negative light no matter what would you want to give that interview?

Originally posted by radosta
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"They" are not scared. They are laughing at you. Their system will probably collapse but it has nothing to do with protests. It will be because of their own hubris and incompetence. Then those that rebuild will be people with intelligence and ability who very likely have nothing to do with these clown festivals that will only serve as talking points for pundits and politicians.

I disagree when you say they are not scared. "They" have tried to keep us fighting between ourselves so "we" wouldn't focus on who the real criminals are in this country and around the world. Well they are crapping in their pants right now because nobody is believing the propaganda they are spitting-out through the mainstream media anymore and people from all walks of life are coming together to fight against greed and corruption.

"They" know once the 99% decide to stop playing their silly little control and fear mongering gaming that it's time for them to hit the hills and start living in their bunkers. The game is almost over for them and they know it and there is nothing they can do about, period. This movement will continue to gain momentum until the people have won their (our) freedom once again.

Both must be changed, and at the exact same time.

Remember, it's the elite who are working above the distinctions of corporations and governments. Where one end gains supposed freedom, the other tightens their grip.

The OWS movement and the Tea party movement seem to be but a means of buying time for the elite to further suck our society dry before ditching out of being beheaded.

They polarize us into: no stupid, focus on the government. No stupid, focus on the corporations. It's the same game of divide and conquer running on it's last leg.

Think like an elite, then think beyond an elite and capture the bastards, to conquer the land once again.

Until we the people fully unite, all is just a game of masterful chess, and they're thinking far ahead of the average mind.

Originally posted by citizen3273676
to the protesters... remember mubarak thought the protests were stupid and pointless.

And look at what has become of Cairo now that Mubarack isn't there to maintain order... this past weekend alone 23 Christians were murdered in Cairo and another more than 200 Christians were seriously injured, all for simply choosing to exercise freedom of thought, freedom of belief, and freedom of worship.

So, explain to us how removing Mubarack from political position improved the freedoms of the people other than to give the Muslims of Egypt the freedoms to murder innocent people for their beliefs.

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by Cuervo

 

Cuervo, I respect you. But this? Really?
Wall Street, corporations live off the laws they influenced in DC.
Change the laws, you change the dynamics of Wall Street.

But we need brave and honest people in DC before that can happen.

Yeah, the laws need to be changed... But they are not going to change until we do something about it. Status quo is not a viable option.

the system is broken!

We have tried your way for long enough.... Nothing changes... Now, it's time to try something else.

Why? Because unlike the folks in Washington we are not insane and refuse to keep doing the same thing voer and over, expecting a different result each time!

We are doing something different and hell, maybe it wont work... But at least we are trying, because one thing is for sure continuing with the status quo will not work!

Here is another awesome video for those who still don't get it.... Some how...

reply to post by gimme_some_truth


A "democratic government"? That's what the narrator of the video calls the government of America.

Read your Constitution. We are guaranteed a Republican form of government, not a democratic form.

Karl Marx, himself, wrote that "Democracy is the road to socialism". Vladmir Lenin went on to write that "The goal of socialism is communism".

Take a look back through history. You will find that the socialist experiment has been tried 87 times in countries all around the world. There are only six-or-seven countries today that still have socialist forms of government. All other experiments in socialism failed miserably.

Those who seek after socialism seek after a demonstrated failure.

Originally posted by Alxandro

Originally posted by Cuervo
Three years ago, Wall Street ruined our economy. Nobody has been indicted or convicted. They destroyed 20% of our net worth that we have worked 200 years to accumulate. What is so hard to understand? And don't tell me to take it to DC because people who say that really know that this is where the criminals are but they just don't want to admit that their pet political groups/parties/movements might not be as vigilant as they wish.

What's the easiest way to keep cockroaches at bay? Sweep the food off your freakin' floor!

Three years ago was when Obama got elected into office.
That should be enough to tell you all you need to know.
The buck has got to stop somewhere, unless of course you feel he deserves a free pass.

Really? Really, dude... really?! I'm not going to defend President Obama's support of the bail outs but to think his administration started it in the first place is completely ignorant. George Bush enacted the TARP (bail out) programs. The TARP program was created in 2008 to stabilize the financial system. The Treasury Department has committed more than $500 billion to more than 800 firms through the program.

I'm not exactly proud of Obama for backing Bush's game plan but I'm not going to wrongly accuse him of creating it.

The WALL STREET PROTESTS will be over this week. A cold front is crossing the nation that will bring an end to the unseasonably mild weather. Most of the protesters are not that serious (IMO) and will be leaving after temps return to October normals later this week. That's what the officials are counting on and they're probably right. If the protestors have a serious demonstration up their sleeve, get it going ASAP.
-cwm

Originally posted by Cuervo
Three years ago, Wall Street ruined our economy. Nobody has been indicted or convicted. They destroyed 20% of our net worth that we have worked 200 years to accumulate. What is so hard to understand? And don't tell me to take it to DC because people who say that really know that this is where the criminals are but they just don't want to admit that their pet political groups/parties/movements might not be as vigilant as they wish.

First, people have been convicted for committing fraud. "Bernie" Madoff was one of them.

Second, the person responsible for the housing market crash is... Barney Frank (D. MA). Salle Mae and Freddie Mac is a Democrat sponsor, which gave Barney Frank campaign funding in exchange for lobbyist power. Since Barney Frank is a Democrat in a Democrat controlled state, "OccupyWallStreet" will never-ever be able to remove the man's influence. Salle Mae and Freddie Mac received billions of dollars from Obama's bailout plan.

Salle Mae and Fannie Mae/Mac allowed people to take out risky home mortgages. Since they knew people would not be able to pay the mortgages, Salle Mae and Freddie Mac insured them without any backing. So, they placed the insured certificates and risky mortgages on the stock market. As a result the mortgages having an adjustable interest rate, the stock market caused people's payments to skyrocket.

Since Barney Frank (D. MA) was getting lobbyist money from Salle Mae and Freddie Mae/Mac, he ended up turning a blind eye on what they were doing. Salle Mae and Freddie Mae/Mac was deemed 'to big to fail', so Obama handed them bailout money to save the banks.

Barney Frank's (D. MA) companion (boyfriend) runs one of the banks.

Irony, Barney Frank and Obama are supporters of "OccupyWallStreet", and both men received campaign funding from the unions, banks, and corporations the group hates.

Originally posted by Section31

Originally posted by Cuervo
Three years ago, Wall Street ruined our economy. Nobody has been indicted or convicted. They destroyed 20% of our net worth that we have worked 200 years to accumulate. What is so hard to understand? And don't tell me to take it to DC because people who say that really know that this is where the criminals are but they just don't want to admit that their pet political groups/parties/movements might not be as vigilant as they wish.

First, people have been convicted for committing fraud. "Bernie" Madoff was one of them.

Second, the person responsible for the housing market crash is... Barney Frank (D. MA). Salle Mae and Freddie Mac is a Democrat sponsor, which gave Barney Frank campaign funding in exchange for lobbyist power. Since Barney Frank is a Democrat in a Democrat controlled state, "OccupyWallStreet" will never-ever be able to remove the man's influence. Salle Mae and Freddie Mac received billions of dollars from Obama's bailout plan.

Salle Mae and Freddie Mac allowed risky home mortgages to be given to those who could not afford the bills, and then they insured the mortgages and gambled them on the stock exchange. Barney Frank turned a blind eye in exchange for campaign financing. Why? His companion (boyfriend) works for the company.

Irony, Barney Frank and Obama are supporters of "OccupyWallStreet", and they receive campaign financing from the unions that have recently joined the group.

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Madoff was arrested for ripping off rich people. Why do you think the only person arrested for stealing was the guy who was stealing from other rich people? Oh, and the bail out plan wasn't Obama's plan. Oh, and Salle Mae and Freddie Mac aren't people, they are organizations that need to answer to Americans. Oh, and Barney Frank has nothing to do with this. His campaign contributions totaled $42,350 between 1989 and 2008... not exactly bribe money.

None of this has anything to do with the legitimacy of the protests.

reply to post by Cuervo

You have no idea.

I live in the state in which Barney Frank (D. MA) is a congressmen.

Barney Frank's exploits are common knowledge.

Originally posted by ldyserenity
reply to post by GeorgiaGirl

 

So then the wall st lobbyists aren't treasoness, or they're not worth having to face justice for their part? So we just vote politicians that are hand picked by them into office...you didn't know the electoral college picks the nominees? Not US citizens? Look up electoral college online and then look at who these people are individually. Yep they are likely bankers and wall st executives (or ex both).

edit on 10-10-2011 by ldyserenity because: (no reason given)

I took government in high school, so of course I know about the electoral college. You do understand that in most states, electoral college representatives are required to follow their state's popular vote?

www.archives.gov...

Must electors vote for the candidate who won their State's popular vote?

There is no Constitutional provision or Federal law that requires electors to vote according to the results of the popular vote in their States. Some States, however, require electors to cast their votes according to the popular vote. These pledges fall into two categories—electors bound by State law and those bound by pledges to political parties.Which States bind electors to popular vote results? Refer to Electors Bound by State Law and Pledges to find out.
...Today, it is rare for electors to disregard the popular vote by casting their electoral vote for someone other than their party's candidate. Electors generally hold a leadership position in their party or were chosen to recognize years of loyal service to the party. Throughout our history as a nation, more than 99 percent of electors have voted as pledged.

I'm not sure what you meant when you said the electoral college "picks the nominees". If you mean they pick who will actually BE on the ballot from each political party, then you are mistaken.

So while they formally select the president, this is really just a formality. Popular vote decides how each state's electoral college representatives vote. Most states follow the "winner takes all" rule, which is how a president could end up with fewer popular votes nationwide but still get more electoral college votes.

Any lobbyists or wall street bankers who BROKE THE LAW should be punished. As for them being treasonous, as you said, I'm not sure how you are coming up with that. Actually, though, the lobbyists are just doing the job they are allowed to do. YES, I think that system is full of corruption. However, treason is a bold accusation. I think the answer is for us to elect representatives who pledge to work for US, rather than cater to the lobbyists.

Hard lesson for you here: part of the collapse we are facing has to to with the governmental interventionist policies of the recent administrations. The government has tried to micromanage the economy and has therefore artificially controlled what has happened. Everything that has collapsed was artificially pumped up to start with. The collapse was inevitable.

I, personally, have been affected, so I understand the frustration. Our house is not worth what we put into it, and if we sold it, we would lose money. However, I personally BENEFITTED from years of artificially high housing prices..we kept making money every time we sold a house, which we rolled into the next one. So now we are all left with a loss.

You have got to understand one thing...there are NO guarantees with investments. NO ONE would be complaining if we were all making loads of money in the stock market or if our housing prices were still going up. We're having a correction. One day, things will look up.

As for all of the young people who have graduated from college and can't find jobs...there are MANY factors at play here. I remember of a statistic I heard about 10 years ago: something like 75% of jobs require a technical education rather than college....yet we are telling ALL kids they should go to college. How many of them made a plan about what they would study and how it would prepare them for the job market?

Another thing about the generation coming of age, many of the protestors (in their early to mid 20s.) I've been a teacher for 22 years. This is the generation that has grown up getting a trophy just for showing up. EVERYONE on the team, win or lose, gets a trophy.

Guess what? In the real world, you don't get a trophy just for showing up. Or a job. Or an iPhone.

Originally posted by Section31

Originally posted by Cuervo
Three years ago, Wall Street ruined our economy. Nobody has been indicted or convicted. They destroyed 20% of our net worth that we have worked 200 years to accumulate. What is so hard to understand? And don't tell me to take it to DC because people who say that really know that this is where the criminals are but they just don't want to admit that their pet political groups/parties/movements might not be as vigilant as they wish.

First, people have been convicted for committing fraud. "Bernie" Madoff was one of them.

Second, the person responsible for the housing market crash is... Barney Frank (D. MA). Salle Mae and Freddie Mac is a Democrat sponsor, which gave Barney Frank campaign funding in exchange for lobbyist power. Since Barney Frank is a Democrat in a Democrat controlled state, "OccupyWallStreet" will never-ever be able to remove the man's influence. Salle Mae and Freddie Mac received billions of dollars from Obama's bailout plan.

Salle Mae and Freddie Mac allowed people to take out risky home mortgages. Since they knew people would not be able to pay the mortgages, Salle Mae and Freddie Mac insured them without any backing. So, they placed the insured certificates and risky mortgages on the stock market. As a result the mortgages having an adjustable interest rate, the stock market caused people's payments to skyrocket.

Since Barney Frank (D. MA) was getting lobbyist money from Salle Mae and Freddie Mac, he ended up turning a blind eye on what they were doing. Salle Mae and Freddie Mac was deemed 'to big to fail', so Obama handed them bailout money to save the banks.

Barney Frank's (D. MA) companion (boyfriend) runs one of the banks.

Irony, Barney Frank and Obama are supporters of "OccupyWallStreet", and both men received campaign funding from the unions, banks, and corporations the group hates.

edit on 10/10/2011 by Section31 because: (no reason given)

Facts sure are pesky, aren't they?

This is why so many of us know the OWS message is flawed. Blame is flowing in the wrong direction.

Originally posted by Cuervo

Originally posted by Section31

Originally posted by Cuervo
Three years ago, Wall Street ruined our economy. Nobody has been indicted or convicted. They destroyed 20% of our net worth that we have worked 200 years to accumulate. What is so hard to understand? And don't tell me to take it to DC because people who say that really know that this is where the criminals are but they just don't want to admit that their pet political groups/parties/movements might not be as vigilant as they wish.

First, people have been convicted for committing fraud. "Bernie" Madoff was one of them.

Second, the person responsible for the housing market crash is... Barney Frank (D. MA). Salle Mae and Freddie Mac is a Democrat sponsor, which gave Barney Frank campaign funding in exchange for lobbyist power. Since Barney Frank is a Democrat in a Democrat controlled state, "OccupyWallStreet" will never-ever be able to remove the man's influence. Salle Mae and Freddie Mac received billions of dollars from Obama's bailout plan.

Salle Mae and Freddie Mac allowed risky home mortgages to be given to those who could not afford the bills, and then they insured the mortgages and gambled them on the stock exchange. Barney Frank turned a blind eye in exchange for campaign financing. Why? His companion (boyfriend) works for the company.

Irony, Barney Frank and Obama are supporters of "OccupyWallStreet", and they receive campaign financing from the unions that have recently joined the group.

edit on 10/10/2011 by Section31 because: (no reason given)

Madoff was arrested for ripping off rich people. Why do you think the only person arrested for stealing was the guy who was stealing from other rich people? Oh, and the bail out plan wasn't Obama's plan. Oh, and Salle Mae and Freddie Mac aren't people, they are organizations that need to answer to Americans. Oh, and Barney Frank has nothing to do with this. His campaign contributions totaled $42,350 between 1989 and 2008... not exactly bribe money.

None of this has anything to do with the legitimacy of the protests.

Good ol' Barney, and his Fannie May boyfriend...sure, he's completely innocent...

www.foxnews.com...

WASHINGTON — Unqualified home buyers were not the only ones who benefitted from Massachusetts Rep. Barney Frank’s efforts to deregulate Fannie Mae throughout the 1990s.
So did Frank’s partner, a Fannie Mae executive at the forefront of the agency’s push to relax lending restrictions.
Now that Fannie Mae is at the epicenter of a financial meltdown that threatens the U.S. economy, some are raising new questions about Frank's relationship with Herb Moses, who was Fannie’s assistant director for product initiatives. Moses worked at the government-sponsored enterprise from 1991 to 1998, while Frank was on the House Banking Committee, which had jurisdiction over Fannie.
Both Frank and Moses assured the Wall Street Journal in 1992 that they took pains to avoid any conflicts of interest. Critics, however, remain skeptical.
"It’s absolutely a conflict," said Dan Gainor, vice president of the Business & Media Institute. "He was voting on Fannie Mae at a time when he was involved with a Fannie Mae executive. How is that not germane?
"If this had been his ex-wife and he was Republican, I would bet every penny I have - or at least what’s not in the stock market - that this would be considered germane," added Gainor, a T. Boone Pickens Fellow. "But everybody wants to avoid it because he’s gay. It’s the quintessential double standard."


Read more: www.foxnews.com...

Yes, the source is Fox. But that doesn't make it untrue.

Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl
Facts sure are pesky, aren't they?

This is why so many of us know the OWS message is flawed. Blame is flowing in the wrong direction.

Its called irony.

Link: Obama biggest recipient of BP cash

While the BP oil geyser pumps millions of gallons of petroleum into the Gulf of Mexico, President Barack Obama and members of Congress may have to answer for the millions in campaign contributions they’ve taken from the oil and gas giant over the years.

Wow.

Looks like Obama is violating "OccupyWallStreet's" prime directive.

"Oh, those damn politicians being bought out by lobbyists." - "OccupyWallStreet"

Too bad Obama didn't get the memo.

Originally posted by citizen3273676
i support the protest good to see americans getting off the couch and joining a common cause!

to the protesters... remember mubarak thought the protests were stupid and pointless.

And this is my point. The Eqyptians were manipulated by agenda driven forces. The media made it about "freedom from oppression." And, for most Americans, such as the comment above, are completely ignorant of the fact that those who usurped power and directed the "revolution" are more oppressive than Mubarak.

And let's be real for a second. Egyptian food prices were far,far higher than what we are currently dealing with. Plus, the regime was actually oppressive. As opposed to just kind of annoyed, like our cops currently are.

Comparing OWS to Egypt is not only a major insult to Egyptians, but it is also indicative of the ignorance of most OWSers I've seen in their own videos (I don't watch MSM) or read in these forums.

Originally posted by pngxp
reply to post by CantSay

 

wasnt it over regulation that largely led to this?

when the government started telling banks they HAD to give loans to the "underprivileged". because that way the poor and minorities could finally own homes too?

banks used to be able to make decisions on their own if i understand things right. if somebody came in and said "i work as a janitor this year. ive had 10 jobs in the past 5 years, and i make aproximately $20,000 a year. and have 3 kids i pay child support for. i would like a loan for $250,000 for a house" the banks could just say NO. because it is obvious that they are a risky loan.

had the banks been able to pick and choose who they give loans to, we probably wouldnt be in this mess. but instead, government had to get involved and make sure "everything was fair" for everyone, and anyone could get a loan that wanted one. creative solutions had to be implemented because banks HAD TO lend to people.

and people who dont understand what adjustable rates are and dont understand what interest is, or how it works, or why its even there are just completely innocent because they didnt want to take the time to read and understand a document they were signing that committed them to a 30 year agreement??? what sort of idiot does that??? how is that the banks fault that people are extremely ignorant, lazy and greedy?? people wanted things they couldnt afford! thats what caused a lot of this mess. the bankers are just soooo greedy for "taking everyones money", but the people who took the money from the bank that they could never pay back arent greedy at all? go figure.

it just not the banks fault like everyone makes it out to be. and if you truly believe it is, then you are now officially buying My house, because i offered it to you. you will be purchasing it for $600,000. send me a private message with your address where i can send you the contract. but dont worry about reading it. its not important that you know what you are getting into. its only 30 years anyways!

Yes, you are exactly correct. You are explaining the problem very well. The government, spearheaded by the Democrats, were strong-armed into giving these loans to unqualified people. George Bush warned of exactly this:

Mythmaking is in full swing as the Bush administration prepares to leave town. Among the more prominent is the assertion that the housing meltdown resulted from unbridled capitalism under a president opposed to all regulation.

Like most myths, this is entertaining but fictional. In reality, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were among the principal culprits of the housing crisis, and Mr. Bush wanted to rein them in before things got out of hand.

Rather than a failure of capitalism, the housing meltdown shows what's likely to happen when government grants special privileges to favored private entities that facilitate bad actors and lousy practices.

Fannie and Freddie are "government-sponsored enterprises" (GSEs), chartered by Congress. As such, they had an implicit promise of taxpayer backing and could borrow money at rates well below competitors.

Because of this, the Bush administration warned in the budget it issued in April 2001 that Fannie and Freddie were too large and overleveraged. Their failure "could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affecting federally insured entities and economic activity" well beyond housing.

Mr. Bush wanted to limit systemic risk by raising the GSEs' capital requirements, compelling preapproval of new activities, and limiting the size of their portfolios. Why should government regulate banks, credit unions and savings and loans, but not GSEs? Mr. Bush wanted the GSEs to be treated just like their private-sector competitors.

online.wsj.com...

Originally posted by Section31

Originally posted by GeorgiaGirl
Facts sure are pesky, aren't they?

This is why so many of us know the OWS message is flawed. Blame is flowing in the wrong direction.

Its called irony.

Link: Obama biggest recipient of BP cash

While the BP oil geyser pumps millions of gallons of petroleum into the Gulf of Mexico, President Barack Obama and members of Congress may have to answer for the millions in campaign contributions they’ve taken from the oil and gas giant over the years.

Wow.

Looks like Obama is violating "OccupyWallStreet's" prime directive.

"Oh, those damn politicians being bought out by lobbyists." - "OccupyWallStreet"

Too bad Obama didn't get the memo.

edit on 10/10/2011 by Section31 because: (no reason given)

Yep! WHY can these people not see what is going on????

The OWS people have been PLAYED by Obama. He's been talking down the "FAT CATS on WALL STREET" since day one. And now everyone is all upset at the FAT CATS. Obama has engineered this with his rhetoric.

Obama has consistently said one thing, and done another. But people are lapping it up.