The Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street should work together, protesting both banks and government!

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We cannot heal as a nation until we move beyond the false left-right paradigm!

Hello ATS.

The issue of the Occupy Wall Street movement has revealed the growing and ugly divide behind left and right that is threatening to tear this country apart. It is apparent here on ATS as well as in the street. But what can we do? I have a plan, ATS. Please hear me out.

Those who know me on ATS know I am a very serious Christian. As I have posted elsewhere, I don't have much in common with the Occupy Wall Street people, culturally speaking. I worry about leftist influence on the movement from groups like ACORN and others, or money from Soros and gang. I don't like the sneaky attempts to inject other leftist agenda items into the protests. I don't like Obama's attempts to sympathize and co-opt the movement. Many conservatives have pointed out that the Occupy movement should be protesting the government, because the government bailed out the banks. I agree completely with all of this.

But I also think the banks should be targeted because they are the ones who have received the money, and it is their money that is corrupting government through lobbying. The banks are NOT capitalists anymore, because they are receiving government handouts! That makes them welfare cases! Real capitalists should be furious! Real capitalism is about self-reliance and standing or failing on the merits of business. How can real capitalists defend the bailouts -- and the record bank bonuses that followed?

Protesting the banks is both necessary and effective...but it is only one side of the coin. As many conservatives have pointed out, the government should be protested too!

In reality what we are seeing is a situation where there is no longer any separation between finance and government. The two are merging, becoming two sides of the same coin. Looking at the situation solely through the lens that blames government or blames the bank is incorrect and devisive.

Do you know what kind of system is taking shape? As one who should know put it:

"Fascism should more appropriately be called Corporatism because it is a merger of state and corporate power" -Benito Mussolini
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So I propose a solution: Mobilize the Tea Party to protest the banks alongside the Occupy movement. And simultaneoulsy, mobilize both groups to protest the government with a massive march on Washington. To me this seems a simple and elegant way to bridge the growing left-right divide and to hit the issue from both sides in a pincer move.

We must move beyond that which divides us. It is killing us as a nation. Until it happens, both sides are throwing away their energy senseslessly.

Be safe and smart, ATS. The hour is too late for fooling around. This is serious, serious business.

And may God Bless the United States of America.

I agree/concur with you to your proposal.

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If you were a TRUE Christian, you'd reject money.

I can imagine Jesus charging a dollar a fish, 50 cents for a loaf and $100 for a healing. (not)

Jesus would have been a socialist, spreading the wealth. (which I'm all for being a leftie)

Yes I agree. We all need to come together right and left to solve the problem! As much as I do not suport the tea party I do say the have a following. I would rather support ows and tea party together than have people blame ows and put them(us);down.

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But that's just you and me and a few others who think this way.
Jesus, the Socialist

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Great picture of the donkephant.

I agree with you that the TP and OWS should learn from one another rather than fall to the partisan sides.

Originally posted by TerryMcGuire
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But that's just you and me and a few others who think this way.
Jesus, the Socialist

Capitalism is a little bit Anti-Christ to me.

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jesus didn't charge anything. socialism taxes everyone. don't try to bs.

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If Jesus didn't charge anyone for the things he did, why should a TRUE Christian?

Follow in his example, give your time for free.

There would be no need for tax if we all followed his example.

Originally posted by JonoEnglish

Originally posted by gameoverforyou
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jesus didn't charge anything. socialism taxes everyone. don't try to bs.

Are you seriously trying to tell me, Jesus charged for the services he provided?

He did it for free didn't he?

Jesus was a socialist and a very left leftie from leftie land.

no, hes explaining that HE DIDNT charge for anything he did........apparently we have issues with reading comprehension in people with "socialist ideology" they dont teach that in the gulags?

Hes telling you socialism taxes everyone.........jesus charged nothing........therefore he wasnt socialist.....

It all comes down to the economy...people are upset only because times are hard. If times were good, no one would care. So it comes down to HOW to make things better and HOW to bring jobs back.

And here is where OWS and the Tea Party differ.

The Tea Party thinks that Corporations should get more tax breaks and less regulation and that will lead to job creation.

OWS thinks that Corporations need to pay their fair share in taxes and get rid of their tax breaks and loopholes, and they need to be regulated more. They want to use taxation and regulation to bring back jobs from oversees.


The Tea Party and OWS could not be any further apart from each other...and it is hilarious to me to see Conservatives like the OP trying to co-opt OWS for their own agenda.

The fact is that Conservatives are scared of the energy being created by the OWS movement, and they should be, it could be a huge factor in the 2012 election.

But please...don't try to pretend OWS and the Tea Party have anything in common. One is an anti-Corporation movement, the other is simply an anti-Obama movement.

Originally posted by JonoEnglish
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If Jesus didn't charge anyone for the things he did, why should a TRUE Christian?

Follow in his example, give your time for free.

There would be no need for tax if we all followed his example.

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Perhaps you could read the Parable of the Ten Talents and then tell us what you think

(14) For the kingdom of heaven is as a man travelling into a far country, who called his own servants, and delivered unto them his goods.
(15) And unto one he gave five talents, to another two, and to another one; to every man according to his several ability; and straightway took his journey.
(16) Then he that had received the five talents went and traded with the same, and made them other five talents.
(17) And likewise he that had received two, he also gained other two.
(18) But he that had received one went and digged in the earth, and hid his lord's money.
(19) After a long time the lord of those servants cometh, and reckoneth with them.
(20) And so he that had received five talents came and brought other five talents, saying, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me five talents: behold, I have gained beside them five talents more.
(21) His lord said unto him, Well done, thou good and faithful servant: thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
(22) He also that had received two talents came and said, Lord, thou deliveredst unto me two talents: behold, I have gained two other talents beside them.
(23) His lord said unto him, Well done, good and faithful servant; thou hast been faithful over a few things, I will make thee ruler over many things: enter thou into the joy of thy lord.
(24) Then he which had received the one talent came and said, Lord, I knew thee that thou art an hard man, reaping where thou hast not sown, and gathering where thou hast not strawed:
(25) And I was afraid, and went and hid thy talent in the earth: lo, there thou hast that is thine.
(26) His lord answered and said unto him, Thou wicked and slothful servant, thou knewest that I reap where I sowed not, and gather where I have not strawed:
(27) Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.
(28) Take therefore the talent from him, and give it unto him which hath ten talents.
(29) For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath.
(30) And cast ye the unprofitable servant into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

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You have an excellent point. I noticed immediately that the people started ignoring your message and started slamming the fact you are a Christian. Some people are so pre-programmed to see the word Christian and must start insulting the individual for they are afraid that if they find that they agree with you they might be construed as a Christian themselves.

I have stated the same thing. I went to a Tea-Party meeting back when they first started. I checked out their message. I found that I agreed with a portion of their message, but they had no backbone. The average age was people from the age of 45-65. These people would only partially change things, because they did not have the younger generation's support.

I went to a Occupy Movement meeting just the other day, average age at this meeting was 19-35. Different demographic completely. I asked around to many of the people there if they had ever gone and checked out the Tea Party, they immediately stated "No, why would I check out those crazies?" I told them that the media and the Tea Party says the same thing as they are about the Tea Party. Perhaps they were all buying into the corporate lie that each other side was nuts. Told them that the majority of the points that they had were the same points the Tea Party agrees with, one is just worded Conservative style the other is worded Liberal.

That is the problem, people have become programmed to hear and see wording and immediately place it into the phrase Conservative or LIberal. One is right one is wrong. This needs to change completely. I would love to find a way to get them both in one place speaking not ranting at one another. The problem would come in when one or two hot-headed individuals would meet face to face.

Excellent post OP. If you ask me the left/right BS is going to tear this country apart unless it's stopped sooner rather than later. There is no 100% correct on either side, a functioning system can only exist when you compromise between the two.

In my opinion we currently operate a dirty form of capitalism, and we need a checked, clean form back in place. (ex. No bailouts at our expense, tax money used for improving conditions here at home, roads, infrastructure, etc., equal tax rates for everyone.) If your business fails financially for some reason, then you go under.

You're responsible for keeping your own ship afloat.

Originally posted by JonoEnglish

Are you seriously trying to tell me, Jesus charged for the services he provided or would agree to charging those that needed something from him?

He did it for free didn't he?

Jesus was a socialist and a very left leftie from leftie land.

Taxation is there to make the greedy pay.

I will forego my usual laughing out loud and rolling on the floor as the dog and kittens are sleeping.

But ... just .... hearsay ... yeah.

Calling Jesus a socialist is like saying Cleopatra read Vanity Fair.

If by socialism you mean only the children of the servants of obedient behavior,
then ... maybe. And even then, just barely.

Jesus wasn't handing out money,
his henchmen were collecting it.
And if you were of the approved faith,
a widow or orphan, and on the list
then maybe you would get some.

He was also the leader of a secret society.

24 And from thence he arose, and went into the borders of Tyre and Sidon, and entered into an house, and would have no man know it: but he could not be hid. 25 For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet: 26 The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter. 27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs. 28 And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs. 29 And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter. 30 And when she was come to her house, she found the devil gone out, and her daughter laid upon the bed.


king james bible: Mark 7

This lady had to admit she was a dog first.


He also used the phrase "what profit?"

“What profit would there be for one to gain the whole world and forfeit his life?” (Matt 16:26)

And he didn't shy away from using profit and treasure as a motivator to get results.

19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust does corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust does corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Hardly a socialist.

Bloody revisionist think everything fits into their little categories and check boxes don't they.


David Grouchy


As to The Tea Party joining forces with Occupy Wallstreet...
I don't think the Tea Party trusts people who rarely vote,
while simultaneously demanding that their voice be heard.

socialism makes charity impossible.

do you even give this 3 minutes of thought?

the bankers(money changers) were the only ones in the entire bible that drove Christ to anger. he started throwing chairs and stuff and threw them out of the temple.

i think if there are sufficient tea party members willing to get out there and educate these kids as to who and why they should direct their anger. it could work.

There is a big difference between the tea party and occupy wall street that you just don't seem to get.

Tea party wants reverse robin hood take from the poor give to the rich.

Occupy wall street wants to stop that idea of reverse robin hood and put things back the way they were. Everybody pays thier fare share of taxes.

Now how do you plan to bridge those differences? You can't!!!

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
It all comes down to the economy...people are upset only because times are hard. If times were good, no one would care. So it comes down to HOW to make things better and HOW to bring jobs back.

And here is where OWS and the Tea Party differ.

The Tea Party thinks that Corporations should get more tax breaks and less regulation and that will lead to job creation.

OWS thinks that Corporations need to pay their fair share in taxes and get rid of their tax breaks and loopholes, and they need to be regulated more. They want to use taxation and regulation to bring back jobs from oversees.


The Tea Party and OWS could not be any further apart from each other...and it is hilarious to me to see Conservatives like the OP trying to co-opt OWS for their own agenda.

The fact is that Conservatives are scared of the energy being created by the OWS movement, and they should be, it could be a huge factor in the 2012 election.

But please...don't try to pretend OWS and the Tea Party have anything in common. One is an anti-Corporation movement, the other is simply an anti-Obama movement.

well said !! as I said in another thread the Tea Party movement is just one that wants to attack Obama, just him - did you hear them when Bush/Rove/Rums/Cheeney were in power ??? NO !!!
now they say they want to attack government !!! hahahahahaha !!
easy speaking, it's not the government that have created the first problems, it's the bankers and the subprime crap !!! but Tea Party will never attack the bankers because well : KOCH and others funding their movement with lots of money - corporations funding politicians for voting laws that permit greedy manipulation of the markets ....
here is what I wrote in other thread :

quote = Looks like the real original tea party infiltrated this OWS rally. Good for them.

me : please, how could you think such a thing could and would ever even happen ??
how should it be possible a neo-conservativ tea party group should join a anti-establishment manifestation ?
tea party will never discuss the fundamentals of this society because they are the puppets of the ones mastering the system !!! ( Koch etc ... ).
Tea party will discuss masturbation ( hahaha ... ) and other moral questions but never neo-capitalism or neo-liberalism or corporatism like Monsanto, BP, etc .. or FED or banking system ..
they never will fight against their masters !! they will fight Obama yes, but never Bush ..... understand ?
they are puppets not aware of their being manipulated !
Here in this demonstrations we do not see manipulation, it's about all kind of people coming together and being aware of the system killing all humanity everywhere, here we speak about being lucid and responsible for our world ! Chapeau !! nice to see people becoming AWARE of the manipulation and evil forces of the actual system !

Originally posted by JBA2848
There is a big difference between the tea party and occupy wall street that you just don't seem to get.

Tea party wants reverse robin hood take from the poor give to the rich.

Occupy wall street wants to stop that idea of reverse robin hood and put things back the way they were. Everybody pays thier fare share of taxes.

Now how do you plan to bridge those differences? You can't!!!

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Sheesh, you have completely inverted the reality on this. But you are right, the Tea Party and Occupy have different ideas.

Occupiers want socialism and redistribution of wealth and the Nanny State and Big Govt, Tea Partiers want Individual libery and LIMITED govt.

Originally posted by davidgrouchy

Originally posted by JonoEnglish

Are you seriously trying to tell me, Jesus charged for the services he provided or would agree to charging those that needed something from him?

He did it for free didn't he?

Jesus was a socialist and a very left leftie from leftie land.

Taxation is there to make the greedy pay.

I will forego my usual laughing out loud and rolling on the floor as the dog and kittens are sleeping.

But ... just .... hearsay ... yeah.

Calling Jesus a socialist is like saying Cleopatra read Vanity Fair.

If by socialism you mean only the children of the servants of obedient behavior,
then ... maybe. And even then, just barely.

Jesus wasn't handing out money,
his henchmen were collecting it.
And if you were of the approved faith,
a widow or orphan, and on the list
then maybe you would get some.

He was also the leader of a secret society.

24 And from thence he arose, and went into the borders of Tyre and Sidon, and entered into an house, and would have no man know it: but he could not be hid. 25 For a certain woman, whose young daughter had an unclean spirit, heard of him, and came and fell at his feet: 26 The woman was a Greek, a Syrophenician by nation; and she besought him that he would cast forth the devil out of her daughter. 27 But Jesus said unto her, Let the children first be filled: for it is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it unto the dogs. 28 And she answered and said unto him, Yes, Lord: yet the dogs under the table eat of the children's crumbs. 29 And he said unto her, For this saying go thy way; the devil is gone out of thy daughter. 30 And when she was come to her house, she found the devil gone out, and her daughter laid upon the bed.


king james bible: Mark 7

This lady had to admit she was a dog first.


He also used the phrase "what profit?"

“What profit would there be for one to gain the whole world and forfeit his life?” (Matt 16:26)

And he didn't shy away from using profit and treasure as a motivator to get results.

19 Lay not up for yourselves treasures upon earth, where moth and rust does corrupt, and where thieves break through and steal:

20 But lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust does corrupt, and where thieves do not break through nor steal:

21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.

Hardly a socialist.

Bloody revisionist think everything fits into their little categories and check boxes don't they.

David Grouchy


As to The Tea Party joining forces with Occupy Wallstreet...
I don't think the Tea Party trusts people who rarely vote,
while simultaneously demanding that their voice be heard.

Look,Jesus said to a dude on a donkey, something along the lines of, you can't get into heaven unless you spread your wealth.

money is the great evil.

Without money you'd have no taxes.

He may of got his posse to collect coins, it was a time of money like it is now.

To me, if Jesus did charge for miracles performed, then that is saying yes, it's gods will to make yourself rich.
Sod the poor.