The Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street should work together, protesting both banks and government!

I think this thread is good proof that the tea party and ows wont be working together any time soon. From an outsiders point of view, it has been interesting watching your msm and politicians play this one out. All obsessed with playing out their specific role in the left right debate. It's all so contrived that only the totally brain washed can't see through it.

Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh

Originally posted by JonoEnglish
If you were a TRUE Christian, you'd reject money.

I can imagine Jesus charging a dollar a fish, 50 cents for a loaf and $100 for a healing. (not)

Jesus would have been a socialist, spreading the wealth. (which I'm all for being a leftie)

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That is the biggest load of crap I have heard in the last week.

Lol Lemon fresh.

Seriously? It would have been nice to at least explain why you think it's a load of crap. I could jump into most threads and say the same thing but that would make me a little ignorant and rude to people's opinions.

Jesus did believe in spreading the wealth from the rich to the poor. Did he charge for the services he provided? No he didn't.
Those following Christ should follow his example and live by acts of kindness n return for nothing.

How many Christians who call themselves Christians will actually give up their accumulated wealth and give to the poor? Not many, even the pastors.

Not true Christians imo

Originally posted by Sunlionspirit

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Don't bother bringing my age into this? So, I must be VERY old. More pompous grassiness from you. What if I tell you I am a VERY OLD SOUL and this has nothing to do with chronological age.

This is not about being old-fashioned. Marxism was never right from the start. Marxism predates my chronological age anyway.
Even Karl Marx got his own philosophy screwed up. Oh yes he also had a MAID and I hear he also attended a Satanic secret society.

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if you are a very old soul, then you should understand better what it's all about .....
sorry, I think you made a wrong reincarnation here .....

A wrong reincarnation? Are you kidding me? You are just piling on one insult after another. And why? Because I won't cave to this nonsense being spewed by Soros operatives and MoveOn.org, which has moved in for the kill at OWS.

Have you ever read anything of Sutton?

How can there exist a common objective when members [of The Order of Skull and Bones] are apparently acting in opposition to one another?
Probably the most difficult task in this work will be to get across to the reader what is really an elementary observation: that the objective of The Order is neither "left" nor "right." "Left" and "right" are artificial devicces to bring about change, and the extremes of political left and political right are vital elements in a process of controlled change.

The answer to this seeming political puzzle lies in Hegelian logic. Remember that both Marx and Hitler, the extremes of "left" and "right" presented as textbook enemies, evolved out of the same philosophical system: Hegelianism. That brings screams of intellectual anguish from Marxists and Nazis, but is well known to any student of political systems.
In the Hegelian system conflict is essential. Furthermore, for Hegel and systems based on Hegel, the State is absolute. The State requires complete obedience from the individual citizen. An individual does not exist for himself in these so-called organic systems but only to perform a role in the operation of the State...

So who or what is the State? Obviously it's a self-appointed elite. It is interesting that Fichte, who developed these ideas before Hegel, was a freemason, almost certainly Illuminati, and certainly was promoted by the Illuminati. For example, Johann Wolfgang Goethe (Abaris in the Illuminati code) pushed Fichte for an appointment at Jena University.

Furthermore, the Illuminati principle that the end justifies the means, a principle that Quigley scores as immoral and used by both The Group [Millner / Rhodes Round Table] and The Order, is rooted in Hegel.

College textbooks present war and revolution as more or less accidental results of conflicting forces. The decay of political negotiation into physical conflict comes about, according to these books, after valiant efforts to avoid war. Unfortunately, this is nonsense. War is always a deliberate creative act by individuals.

Western textbooks also have gigantic gaps. For example, after World War II the Tribunals set up to investigate Nazi war criminals were careful to censor any materials recording Western assistance to Hitler. By the same token, Western textbooks on Soviet economic development omit any description of the economic and financial aid given to the 1917 Revolution and subsequent economic development by Western firms and banks.
Revolution is always recorded as a spontaneous event by the politically or economically deprived against an autocratic state. Never in Western textbooks will you find the evidence that revolutions need finance and the source of the finance in many cases traces back to Wall Street.

www.prisonplanet.com...



So please stop with the insults that I must be VERY old and old fashioned, that I dont understand economics or some philosophy of a Marxist philosopher or that I just dont get the left right thing or some other silly rant.

The fact is that the OWS have Soros backing in spite of how innocent the attack on Wall Street may sound. Soros is an Intl Socialist and he has backed the Ruckus Society.Soros has come out in public support of the OWS. Why do you think that is? It is because the whole thing is a controlled opposition and an attack on Capitalism.
The whole thing is part of the Hegelian "managed conflict". Just listen to their demands. It's all the same stuff of the Obama administration and the Democrat Party. We know that Obama is a friend of Wall Street don't we? We all know he allowed QE1 and 2. We all know he went along with the plans of the bankers.

Originally posted by Attrei
reply to post by Sunlionspirit

 

I support the Idea of what the Tea Party represents. They are just as much of a example of the first amendment as the OWS meetings are. My local Tea Party group had nearly the same ideas as the OWS group here. Was rather interesting. I support the Constitution. Regretfully our government has slipped from being a Democratic Republic and has become more of an oligarchy.

Here is from my home area's OWS meeting. Feel free to share it around.

good to see people coming together to discuss and argument !!!
will look at your video tomorrow because here it is nearly midnight and tomorrow the capitalist boss is wanting me to be there at 7 o'clock ....... I am his part of the machine, you know .....

How about they both PROTEST to stop THE WARS!!

ONE goal, one unity!!!!

Oh, I forgot *debt forgiveness* IS above my
friend who died in IRAQ!!!!

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I pay corporate taxes.
I do know how its done.
And issues go back to the begining post wbere I pointed out the differences in the Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street.

King serves as the Chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee and also sits on the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence. So this guy loves the way things are. He wants to keep nation building around the world with US citizens paying the bills. He loves News Corp being able to spy on any one. And he loves The NYPD intelliigence division having no over sight from anyone. And they are ran by a 35 year vetern of the CIA.


www.huffingtonpost.com...

NEW YORK — Nobody in New York government has the expertise and authority to oversee the police department's secret intelligence operations, a leading city councilman says, raising questions about what checks exist on a department that has infiltrated mosques and subjected entire Muslim neighborhoods to surveillance and scrutiny.

Peter Vallone, the chairman of the council's Public Safety Committee, said the council doesn't have the power to subpoena the NYPD for its intelligence records. And even if it did, he said the operations are too sophisticated for city officials to effectively oversee. More oversight is likely needed, he said, perhaps from the federal government.

"That portion of the police department's work should probably be looked at by a federal monitor," he said after Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly testified Thursday at City Hall.

If the council cannot oversee the intelligence division, it's unclear who can. The NYPD's intelligence unit is a politically sensitive topic for Washington, which has invested more than $1.6 billion in the department since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Congress and Obama administration officials say they also have no authority to monitor the day-to-day intelligence operations of the NYPD

Heres a lot of info to take in on this thread about the hijacking of the war on terror for poltical and monetary gains.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

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Heres a break down of some of the demands from Alex Jones site.

www.infowars.com...

Here's an excerpt and after this I rest my case

Demand two: Institute a universal single payer healthcare system. To do this all private insurers must be banned from the healthcare market as their only effect on the health of patients is to take money away from doctors, nurses and hospitals preventing them from doing their jobs and hand that money to wall st. investors.
In other words, socialized medicine. In order to get an idea of what a disaster this would be, look at any other unfair monopoly set-up by the government. The Post Office comes to mind. It is now bankrupt and on the skids. Business free of government regulation and taxation always delivers goods and services more effectively than government. Monopolistic practices by government results in the destruction of wealth and ultimately the bread line.

The current deplorable state of health care is a direct result of government enforcing monopolies and eliminating competition in the marketplace. The elimination of competition invariably leads to expensive and substandard services.
Wall Street does not represent small competitive business. It is a haven for the monopoly men who took over the government in the late 19th century – JP Morgan, the Rockefellers, and the international bankers – the same elite interests that instituted a national income tax and the Federal Reserve.

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We cannot heal as a nation until we move beyond the false left-right paradigm!

I completely agree with this statement, I don't think we need labels when doing so, such as Tea Party, but I agree with the idea.

"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs."

In my opinion the biggest problem in this nation is the Federal Reserve, but the banks and corporations that have grown up around that system will deprive the people of all property as Jefferson warned if nothing is done. People with all political ideologies need to work together in fixing this disaster before we reach a point when the power is so consolidated that nothing can be done through political means. But I don't think we need to label ourselves as Tea Party or any other group to do this...being an American is a good enough label to put our differences aside and to crush those that would destroy this country from within. End the Fed...Occupy Wall Street...restore the power to Congress and to the people where it properly belongs! And yes reject the false left-right paradigm in the process. And to those that say they should use their efforts to try to stop war instead, please read "War is a Racket" by Major General Smedley D. Butler. If you fix the corruption in monetary and banking system, you can then do a little more about the war issue.

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calm down calm down, peace and love ....
I do NOT want to insult you ... ok ?
I just want to tell you that I want to know what YOU will do to stop this foolish world going mad ok ???
what will you do ???
protest ?
I think you will do nothing but blablabla about marxism and socialism ... but fight for a better world ??
oh no, of course not because it would be a marxist one ???



have a nice day tomorrow, I hope you like Monsanto frankenfood GMO corn and you like fish with BP oil spill dressing, because if you do not want us to control those corporations well tomorrow you will be a poisoned christian ..
with love from jesus.

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Arianna Huffington is connected to Soros and shes a Socialist and a globalist. She is part of the entire cabal involved with Barack and his team of globalists. I'm sorry, posting stuff from her blog will only serve to convince me further that you are a supporting a socialist movement.
Adbusters which organized this OWS thing is anti corporate. What else needs to be said about this?

Originally posted by Sunlionspirit
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

calm down calm down, peace and love ....
I do NOT want to insult you ... ok ?
I just want to tell you that I want to know what YOU will do to stop this foolish world going mad ok ???
what will you do ???
protest ?
I think you will do nothing but blablabla about marxism and socialism ... but fight for a better world ??
oh no, of course not because it would be a marxist one ???

have a nice day tomorrow, I hope you like Monsanto frankenfood GMO corn and you like fish with BP oil spill dressing, because if you do not want us to control those corporations well tomorrow you will be a poisoned christian ..
with love from jesus.

I don't need to calm down. I don't need more insults from you either. I don't need your insulting insinuation that because I don't support OWS that I must support Monsanto and GMO franken foods. I just dont support a movement which attacks ALL Corporations because they are Socialists and communists.
The adbusters group has already been shown to have a bunch of communist sympathizers. What more need you hear?


You want to talk about BP Oil? Yah well I had headaches for a few months after the spill. I criticize Obama's handling of the disaster, including his interference with Gov Jindal. Obama stands to gain 85 million from that, from his holdings in BP Oil. So please stop insulting my intelligence on these matters. It doesn't make all corporations evil neo devils.

I also know that OBama used the BP disaster to appeal to his environmentalist base of leftist radicals who hate Big Oil and think that Windmills and electric cars are going to solve our energy problems. He used it as a precedent for his moratorium on domestic drilling, while AT THE SAME dedicating taxpayer money to the NATIONALIZED(read socialist) Brazilian oil Petrobas. He attended a conference in Rio of Big Oil during the Nuclear mess in Japan.
I am far more aware of the global trends than you might imagine.

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How about ABC news.
abcnews.go.com...

Nobody in New York government has the expertise and authority to oversee the police department's secret intelligence operations, a leading city councilman says, raising questions about what checks exist on a department that has infiltrated mosques and subjected entire Muslim neighborhoods to surveillance and scrutiny.

Peter Vallone, the chairman of the council's Public Safety Committee, said the council doesn't have the power to subpoena the NYPD for its intelligence records. And even if it did, he said the operations are too sophisticated for city officials to effectively oversee. More oversight is likely needed, he said, perhaps from the federal government.

"That portion of the police department's work should probably be looked at by a federal monitor," he said after Police Commissioner Raymond Kelly testified Thursday at City Hall.

If the council cannot oversee the intelligence division, it's unclear who can. The NYPD's intelligence unit is a politically sensitive topic for Washington, which has invested more than $1.6 billion in the department since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks. Congress and Obama administration officials say they also have no authority to monitor the day-to-day intelligence operations of the NYPD.

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yeah it's a BP disaster because of no state control of security and $$$ greedy corporations with Halliburton, but you attack Obama for it instead of BP ???
come on, I am tired of your talk !
so the laws were voted when Bush was in office and it's Obama who gets the guilty card ?

Originally posted by Sunlionspirit
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

yeah it's a BP disaster because of no state control of security and $$$ greedy corporations with Halliburton, but you attack Obama for it instead of BP ???
come on, I am tired of your talk !
so the laws were voted when Bush was in office and it's Obama who gets the guilty card ?

See you are a leftist trying to convince me you are not.

Im on to you buddy.


Soros is a leftist too, and he made his billions off the very market you say you are against. Soros is running this OWS scam.
www.sodahead.com... /

And like Occupy Walll Street I do go after both sides.

So why is USAID paying for Walmarts supply chain? Could it be Hillary?,
www.abovetopsecret.com...

USAID gave away more money today as they fight over a budget.,
www.abovetopsecret.com...

So who is the Donilon family and why do they have so much control of the White House?
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Bill Clinton's Ties To Colombia Trade Deal Stronger Than Even Penn's
www.abovetopsecret.com...

Originally posted by Sunlionspirit
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

yeah it's a BP disaster because of no state control of security and $$$ greedy corporations with Halliburton, but you attack Obama for it instead of BP ???
come on, I am tired of your talk !
so the laws were voted when Bush was in office and it's Obama who gets the guilty card ?

State control of Security? Is that what you think is the cause of the disaster? Really... so you want more govt bureaucracy. See you are sooo Big Govt.

Originally posted by Sunlionspirit
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus

 

yeah it's a BP disaster because of no state control of security and $$$ greedy corporations with Halliburton, but you attack Obama for it instead of BP ???
come on, I am tired of your talk !
so the laws were voted when Bush was in office and it's Obama who gets the guilty card ?

Would you like to explain how OBama magically had most of his wealth in BP Oils stocks and the fund manager magically knew to dump all that stock before the disaster? Can you explain how OBama stands to make 85 mil? Can you explain how he let BP Oil use a previously untested Corexit on the environment? Can you explain how all this translated into a pitch for Green Energy and a moratorium on domestic drilling?

The answer has to be you are on the side of the POTUS.

Originally posted by JonoEnglish
If you were a TRUE Christian, you'd reject money.

I can imagine Jesus charging a dollar a fish, 50 cents for a loaf and $100 for a healing. (not)

Jesus would have been a socialist, spreading the wealth. (which I'm all for being a leftie)

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Hey there, quiet down. The conservatives don't want to hear that their precious mythological figure known as Jesus would've been a ...gasp...SOCIALIST.

Originally posted by SeventhSeal

Originally posted by JonoEnglish
If you were a TRUE Christian, you'd reject money.

I can imagine Jesus charging a dollar a fish, 50 cents for a loaf and $100 for a healing. (not)

Jesus would have been a socialist, spreading the wealth. (which I'm all for being a leftie)

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Hey there, quiet down. The conservatives don't want to hear that their precious mythological figure known as Jesus would've been a ...gasp...SOCIALIST.

The main issue is MONEY..


If these occupy folks cared, they would be protesting the wars, and it be their goal
to end the wars, like it was in the 60's and 70's.... Getting all your debts erased and living
in some fairy tale will never happen!!

You could end the war though, they did it in vietnam.

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You forgot to mention the PRIVATE Federal Reserve, which props up all these banks through the bailouts and the printing of money, and lobbies the congress and the president to approve all of these garbage bailouts. The banks are the ones conducting crony capitalism by creating fake derivatives and garbage and trading and re-trading them, and manipulating the stock market and shortselling, but it is all backed up and endorsed by the Private Federal Reserve.

Both the Fed and Banks have hijacked this econonomy over the last 50-100 years systematically, and now that they are aware we have awoken to their schemes, they are going into over-drive defense mode, coming out and endorsing OWS and sending out Herman Cain to tell you, "Yeah you can walk right up to the Fed and ask questions, give them a call!" Even though Cameramen filming the Kansas City Federal Reserve from 100 yards away were threatened and harrassed by KC Fed Security toting big guns. We must add the Private Federal Reserve to the protest list, or the real heart of the problem will not be addressed.