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The Tea Party and Occupy Wall Street should work together, protesting both banks and government!

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posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:38 PM
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Originally posted by Sunlionspirit

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Oh right, we must follow European style says the Oracle Barack


The Occupiers are mostly Big govt Nanny Staters as far as I can see. Even the Ron Paul people have to educate them. They are demanding their debts forgiven, the ERA (which failed already every time it's introduced), and a bunch of other socialist stuff.

Then there's the Unions. You clearly are for Big Labor. Big Labor is a tool for communism. Trumka is calling for World economic taxes. Why do you want more taxes? It must because you would be on the receiving end of taxes or you would never call for it.
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why always talk about taxes here and taxes there ??? in each system you will have to pay taxes, but EVERYBODY has to pay them fairly !! not only the middle class and the poor !!!
understand or no ??
have to explain ?
EVERYBODY ok ? the rich pay nearly nothing, ok ? the 1 % pay less than my retired Mom !
so, taxes always existed, just fight for good distribution and talk about the system in the background !!!



We are already in a Progressive income tax system, which means that businesses and large corporations already pay more than their share. Apparently you do not know what a Progressive Income Tax is. It is when the more money you make, the higher your rate of tax goes.
Progressive Income Tax is communistic in nature. It goes right along with Marxist philosophy.


What good is it to raise taxes on corporations and then have them raise the price of their product to cover the tax, then you pay higher at the register. See how that works?
The Warren Buffets of the world will never pay higher tax because they hide their wealth in tax shelters. Buffet knew this when he made that ridiculous claim he wants to pay higher taxes. What a darn liar and a sheister he is. It is the sin of ommission. He failed to tell you the whole truth. He can jolly well write a check to the govt if he feels so generous, but the fact is he didn't even pay the taxes he owed.
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posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by Sunlionspirit

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by JBA2848
 


Oh right, we must follow European style says the Oracle Barack


The Occupiers are mostly Big govt Nanny Staters as far as I can see. Even the Ron Paul people have to educate them. They are demanding their debts forgiven, the ERA (which failed already every time it's introduced), and a bunch of other socialist stuff.

Then there's the Unions. You clearly are for Big Labor. Big Labor is a tool for communism. Trumka is calling for World economic taxes. Why do you want more taxes? It must because you would be on the receiving end of taxes or you would never call for it.
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why always talk about taxes here and taxes there ??? in each system you will have to pay taxes, but EVERYBODY has to pay them fairly !! not only the middle class and the poor !!!
understand or no ??
have to explain ?
EVERYBODY ok ? the rich pay nearly nothing, ok ? the 1 % pay less than my retired Mom !
so, taxes always existed, just fight for good distribution and talk about the system in the background !!!



We are already in a Progressive income tax system, which means that businesses and large corporations already pay more than their share. Apparently you do not know what a Progressive Income Tax is. It is when the more money you make, the higher your rate of tax goes.
Progressive Income Tax is communistic in nature. It goes right along with Marxist philosophy.


What good is it to raise taxes on corporations and then have them raise the price of their product to cover the tax, then you pay higher at the register. See how that works?
The Warren Buffets of the world will never pay higher tax because they hide their wealth in tax shelters. Buffet knew this when he made that ridiculous claim he wants to pay higher taxes. What a darn liar and a sheister he is. It is the sin of ommission. He failed to tell you the whole truth. He can jolly well write a check to the govt if he feels so generous, but the fact is he didn't even pay the taxes he owed.
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are you joking or what ??? they pay what they should ??? come on, with respect to you but go play with Barby or stop living in her stupid world full of blablabla and decorum without content, without hope for a better world !



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:47 PM
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I see now you posted the positions of a Marxist theorists and did not disprove it, then you are among the Marxist overthrowers of Capitalism.
When the Occupiers are calling for direct democracy, do NOT try to convince me it's not a marxist plot under way.
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posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:49 PM
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Originally posted by JonoEnglish
If you were a TRUE Christian, you'd reject money.

I can imagine Jesus charging a dollar a fish, 50 cents for a loaf and $100 for a healing. (not)

Jesus would have been a socialist, spreading the wealth. (which I'm all for being a leftie)

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That is the biggest load of crap I have heard in the last week.




posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:49 PM
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Stop being such a pompous grass!!!!

Did you not hear me say the wealthiest of the bunch will NEVER pay because they hide their wealth? Making the middle class pay more is all that will happen. You are a very rude person and uninformed.

Oh yah, and thanks for posting the rantings of a Marxist theorist





Ernest Ezra Mandel, also known by various pseudonyms such as Ernest Germain, Pierre Gousset, Henri Vallin, Walter (5 April 1923 - 20 July 1995), was a revolutionary Marxist theorist.

After 1946 World Congress of the Fourth International, Mandel was elected into the leadership of the International Secretariat of the Fourth International. In line with its policy, he joined the Belgian Socialist Party where he was a leader of a militant socialist tendency, becoming editor of the socialist newspaper La Gauche (and writing for its Flemish sister publication, Links), a member of the economic studies commission of the General Federation of Belgian Labour and an associate of the Belgian syndicalist André Renard. He and his comrades were expelled from the Socialist Party not long after the general strike in 1960-1961 Winter General Strike for opposing its coalition with the Christian Democrats and its acceptance of anti-strike legislation.


en.wikipedia.org...

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posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:51 PM
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Originally posted by Lemon.Fresh

Originally posted by JonoEnglish
If you were a TRUE Christian, you'd reject money.

I can imagine Jesus charging a dollar a fish, 50 cents for a loaf and $100 for a healing. (not)

Jesus would have been a socialist, spreading the wealth. (which I'm all for being a leftie)

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That is the biggest load of crap I have heard in the last week.




A common mistake among Christian socialists is to assume that Jesus redistributed the loaves and fishes. He did not. He MULTIPLIED the loaves and fishes. He probably learned from his Buddhist and Hindu friends on his travels. He knew how to PRECIPITATE from the Divine Leaven.
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posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:57 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Do not try to convince me you know something about Marxism when you are supporting a group of people who are daily calling for socialist stuff. You must have your ears plugged thinking they are all really Ron Paul Libertarians out there. They are not. They are being led by the nose by Soros Operatives.

When the Occupiers are calling for direct democracy, do NOT try to convince me it's not a marxist plot under way.


listen : I have it all very open !!! my eyes, my ears, etc etc ... but not my *ss because I do not want to be raped in my back by the bankers and their corporate gangsters !!!
that is bad talk, isn't it ?
but it is true, go outside and talk to the OWS people up there ! open your system and listen and come back to talk a bit more intelligent .... marxism, communism, socialism, what does it care ??? we want a HUMAN world with natural HUMAN food ( monsanto delicious food !!! ) and no more oil spill because of no security control and greedy $$$$ corporations etc etc ... ok ?
do you know what direct democracy means ?? means every one can vote for everything and dismiss any politician that does not do what he was voted for ! on each echelon ! the city power, the state power, the village power etc etc .. why do you not like it ?
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posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 03:58 PM
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You think taxes are being paid at a rate depending on how much you make by the rich? You don't know anything about paying corporate taxes do you. They pay taxes on a k1 profit share avoiding all the taxes you would normally pay with a pay check. Thats why they avoid getting a pay check for large amounts. Get a small pay check and have large amounts taken out of it then save the bulk of what you make for your K1 profit share where you pay minimum taxes at the end of the year. And just so you know I did not bing up taxes til now. I brught up many other issues you don't seem to want to look at.



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 04:04 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Sunlionspirit
 


Stop being such a pompous grass!!!!

Did you not hear me say the wealthiest of the bunch will NEVER pay because they hide their wealth? Making the middle class pay more is all that will happen. You are a very rude person and uninformed.

Oh yah, and thanks for posting the rantings of a Marxist theorist





Ernest Ezra Mandel, also known by various pseudonyms such as Ernest Germain, Pierre Gousset, Henri Vallin, Walter (5 April 1923 - 20 July 1995), was a revolutionary Marxist theorist.

After 1946 World Congress of the Fourth International, Mandel was elected into the leadership of the International Secretariat of the Fourth International. In line with its policy, he joined the Belgian Socialist Party where he was a leader of a militant socialist tendency, becoming editor of the socialist newspaper La Gauche (and writing for its Flemish sister publication, Links), a member of the economic studies commission of the General Federation of Belgian Labour and an associate of the Belgian syndicalist André Renard. He and his comrades were expelled from the Socialist Party not long after the general strike in 1960-1961 Winter General Strike for opposing its coalition with the Christian Democrats and its acceptance of anti-strike legislation.


en.wikipedia.org...

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yeah and what about ? what is the problem with a marxist very clever economy professor ?
you only read tea partypotting papers maybe ???
well, you have to control the richest then !! why should they be above the law and above the other people ??
don't you have tax control up there ? don't you have investigations ? you have to force them into legality because by themselves they will not become !!! see what I mean ? they are very patriot hé !! nice people the 1 % ones !
( = big big sarcasm !!
)
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posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 04:11 PM
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Originally posted by Sunlionspirit

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Sunlionspirit
 


Do not try to convince me you know something about Marxism when you are supporting a group of people who are daily calling for socialist stuff. You must have your ears plugged thinking they are all really Ron Paul Libertarians out there. They are not. They are being led by the nose by Soros Operatives.

When the Occupiers are calling for direct democracy, do NOT try to convince me it's not a marxist plot under way.


listen : I have it all very open !!! my eyes, my ears, etc etc ... but not my *ss because I do not want to be raped in my back by the bankers and their corporate gangsters !!!
that is bad talk, isn't it ?
but it is true, go outside and talk to the OWS people up there ! open your system and listen and come back to talk a bit more intelligent .... marxism, communism, socialism, what does it care ??? we want a HUMAN world with natural HUMAN food ( monsanto delicious food !!! ) and no more oil spill because of no security control and greedy $$$$ corporations etc etc ... ok ?
do you know what direct democracy means ?? means every one can vote for everything and dismiss any politician that does not do what he was voted for ! on each echelon ! the city power, the state power, the village power etc etc .. why do you not like it ?
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It does matter if they are talking Marxism. That is the Lie of serpents that Marxism can be a great thing, if only you just listen to them and let them be part of the dialogue....hahaha

The Serpent in the garden told Eve, "You Shall not SURELY die if you eat this forbidden fruit"



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 04:15 PM
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And communism. Who is bringing that to the US. Seems the Ayn Rand crowd are tea party groups. Oh yes Rand Paul even brought up here book in front of Congress.

How about Glenn Beck.

The Koch brothers brought her ballet to New York.
www.thefinaledition.com..." target="_blank" class="postlink" rel="nofollow">www.thefinaledition.com...< br /> Hell Donald Trump is married to one and uses her to sell house for millions to them.online.wsj.com...
And don't say she hated communism because she just wanted to alter it. She disliked when communism began to kick out the elite who were under mining the government.And don't forget she thinks religion is whats wrong with America and the Conservatives.


Koch proud of from russia with love.

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posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 04:15 PM
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I never needed the Tea Party to know what Marxism is and what it isn't.

Let me tell you something. I listened to lectures on Marxism and Hegelian dialectics long ago, in 1980, I listened to Antony Sutton and his many writings. I understand what is happening here. Enough of your telling me that Marxism is going to bring the Utopian Society that will fix things and fix the evil Capitalism.


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posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 04:17 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by Sunlionspirit

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Sunlionspirit
 


Do not try to convince me you know something about Marxism when you are supporting a group of people who are daily calling for socialist stuff. You must have your ears plugged thinking they are all really Ron Paul Libertarians out there. They are not. They are being led by the nose by Soros Operatives.

When the Occupiers are calling for direct democracy, do NOT try to convince me it's not a marxist plot under way.


listen : I have it all very open !!! my eyes, my ears, etc etc ... but not my *ss because I do not want to be raped in my back by the bankers and their corporate gangsters !!!
that is bad talk, isn't it ?
but it is true, go outside and talk to the OWS people up there ! open your system and listen and come back to talk a bit more intelligent .... marxism, communism, socialism, what does it care ??? we want a HUMAN world with natural HUMAN food ( monsanto delicious food !!! ) and no more oil spill because of no security control and greedy $$$$ corporations etc etc ... ok ?
do you know what direct democracy means ?? means every one can vote for everything and dismiss any politician that does not do what he was voted for ! on each echelon ! the city power, the state power, the village power etc etc .. why do you not like it ?
edit on 9-10-2011 by Sunlionspirit because: (no reason given)


It does matter if they are talking Marxism. That is the Lie of serpents that Marxism can be a great thing, if only you just listen to them and let them be part of the dialogue....hahaha

The Serpent in the garden told Eve, "You Shall not SURELY die if you eat this forbidden fruit"


may I ask how old you are please ??
because as I see it you must be very old, very old fashion christian that was told the marxists would kill the babies and this and that but always had much respect for law and order .......
we do not care about marxism or what you call it, stop that talk because here it goes about bankers and corporations and manipulation of the markets etc etc .... doesn't that happen now ?
well, what will YOU do to stop this foolish evolution ???
tell me, what will you fight for ??



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 04:19 PM
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Don't bother bringing my age into this? So, I must be VERY old. More pompous grassiness from you. What if I tell you I am a VERY OLD SOUL and this has nothing to do with chronological age.

This is not about being old-fashioned. Marxism was never right from the start. Marxism predates my chronological age anyway.
Even Karl Marx got his own philosophy screwed up. Oh yes he also had a MAID and I hear he also attended a Satanic secret society.
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posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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I never needed the Tea Party to know what Marxism is and what it isn't.

Let me tell you something. I listened to lectures on Marxism and Hegelian dialectics long ago, in 1980, I listened to Antony Sutton and his many writings. I understand what is happening here. Enough of your telling me that Marxism is going to bring the Utopian Society that will fix things and fix the evil Capitalism.


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god damned, I told you I was for the capitalist system because it is the best !!! cann't you read ??
but I am against the neo-capitalist system, the one that has killed real capitalism and it is a fact that the marxists did understand the reasons why this system has become evil ......



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by Sunlionspirit

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Sunlionspirit
 


I never needed the Tea Party to know what Marxism is and what it isn't.

Let me tell you something. I listened to lectures on Marxism and Hegelian dialectics long ago, in 1980, I listened to Antony Sutton and his many writings. I understand what is happening here. Enough of your telling me that Marxism is going to bring the Utopian Society that will fix things and fix the evil Capitalism.


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god damned, I told you I was for the capitalist system because it is the best !!! cann't you read ??
but I am against the neo-capitalist system, the one that has killed real capitalism and it is a fact that the marxists did understand the reasons why this system has become evil ......



I am not for neo anything. I am for Free Enterprise, liberty, and limited govt. So stop boxing my ears on Marxism and neo this and neo that. Your entire argument has done nothing to convince me of the validity of a bunch of people demanding their student loans be forgiven and saying we need democracy. We already have a Republic with democratic elections. What they want is a Direct Democracy per the Socialist George Soros.
So Stop boxing my ears. I know what these people are saying.



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 04:25 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Don't bother bringing my age into this? So, I must be VERY old. More pompous grassiness from you. What if I tell you I am a VERY OLD SOUL and this has nothing to do with chronological age.

This is not about being old-fashioned. Marxism was never right from the start. Marxism predates my chronological age anyway.
Even Karl Marx got his own philosophy screwed up. Oh yes he also had a MAID and I hear he also attended a Satanic secret society.
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if you are a very old soul, then you should understand better what it's all about .....
sorry, I think you made a wrong reincarnation here .....



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 04:26 PM
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I would definitely recommend going to an OWS meeting in whatever local area you go to. These meetings are the only way that I can make an informed decision as to whether I can support an organization or not. I could not believe the number of people that had refused to even speak about what the Tea Party supports all I heard was what the Media claims that the individual area's group wanted.

The local tea party in my nearby city wanted almost exactly the same things that the local OWS meeting wanted. I was amazed. I just wish that they could see past the liberal/conservative dichotomy that has been built up in this world.



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 04:26 PM
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Originally posted by JBA2848
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You think taxes are being paid at a rate depending on how much you make by the rich? You don't know anything about paying corporate taxes do you. They pay taxes on a k1 profit share avoiding all the taxes you would normally pay with a pay check. Thats why they avoid getting a pay check for large amounts. Get a small pay check and have large amounts taken out of it then save the bulk of what you make for your K1 profit share where you pay minimum taxes at the end of the year. And just so you know I did not bing up taxes til now. I brught up many other issues you don't seem to want to look at.



In fact I know that corporations pay Capital Gains tax. Please stop trying to insinuate that you know more than someone else just because they are not going along with your Marxist game.

You brought up what issues? You claimed that Rand Paul and Ayn Rand are socialists and posted a bunch of videos.
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posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 04:31 PM
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I support the Idea of what the Tea Party represents. They are just as much of a example of the first amendment as the OWS meetings are. My local Tea Party group had nearly the same ideas as the OWS group here. Was rather interesting. I support the Constitution. Regretfully our government has slipped from being a Democratic Republic and has become more of an oligarchy.

Here is from my home area's OWS meeting. Feel free to share it around.




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