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Excuse made public first, NOW they are free to drone strike Anything, Anyone, Anywhere

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posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 12:04 AM
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Some of you may have already considered this, but I just wanted to put this out there.
I posted this in another thread*, but wanted others opinion on whether this is a new method being used. ( *thread )

In the current over the top security net the government has cast over everything, they have released info that the drones killing people in the ME are 'infected' with a virus.

What?

When Obama's shoe size is probably suppressed for National Security reasons...

They go and tell the world that the drones have a 'virus'?

I am suggesting this:

1. They have made their excuses public first.
"Our killer remote controlled drones have a virus...
We don't know who put it there...
We are having trouble removing it...


2. Now, they are free to drone strike anything, anyone, anywhere
and they can now blame anyone they like for doing it.


Maybe drop a few drone strikes on U.S cities?
Then blame it on the next resource that want to take control over?

Have they learnt from the mistakes of 9/11?
Maybe if they made an excuse about poor airline security, and uber elite terrorists before 9/11,
the Govt may have reduced the amount of non-believers of the 'official story' and wouldn't be getting so much truther pressure 10 years on?

3. So, (totally ignoring the StuxNet US/Israel fiasco, and the complexity needed for a drone virus) WHO would be the likely scapegoat to blame on the virus if it was used to drop something on someone, and retaliation was needed?

If it was going to be Iran, it would be via Syria.
Blame Syria.
Retaliate.
Hope Iran will step in to assist Syria.
Slam into Iran.

Is 'Excuses First / False-Flag Follows' a valid idea?

edit on 9-10-2011 by CitizenNum287119327 because: bbcode




posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 12:11 AM
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I don't get it. Aren't the drones still operated remotely? How's a virus gonna take over and fly a remote controlled vehicle. That doesn't make any sense



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 12:17 AM
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I don't see an "excuses first, false flag" situation. If, by some chance, control could be taken from the "pilots," everyone will expect the drones to be grounded until repaired. They can't be remote launched from inside a hangar. No one would believe a large attack of hijacked drones, so the false flag idea isn't workable.



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 12:20 AM
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This is a disturbing idea the OP brings up. The drones are controlled by remote, yes. The remote control station is where the virus is sitting and attacking though. So if it were to open controls from that 'cockpit' to an outsider, the drone would believe the commands were perfectly legitimate. They would be coming from the physical equipment they are supposed to be, after all.

Wow.. This is a one trick pony for a major attack or excuse to use in destruction that requires it....but the level of destruction that one trick could produce is something to stop and think about to be sure.



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 12:27 AM
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Great...i live near a base where the predator and reaper are operated...they seem to crash quite a bit also.



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 12:28 AM
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Makes perfect sense to me.

They have installed their disclaimers.

They also have a "reason" to hire more contractors and advisers to "solve" the problem in stages....

stages of payments that is


It is a multiple target plan.

AND,

why would they even "report" this if it was real ?

why else would they tell you that it is resiting efforts to erase it ?

I think the real system is on a unique operating system anyway.
Why would it be so vulnerable ?


One quote tells me it is a phony agenda....

Indeed, military network security specialists say the are unsure whether the virus and its "key logger" payload were [color=;imegreen]injected intentionally or by accident, with some speculating it may be a common piece of malware that "just happened" to make its way into sensitive networks.

The military doesn't use systems that are this vulnerable for sensitive systems.



then they further the insults....

Perhaps most worryingly, the specialists are unable to determine how far the virus has spread - but they are confident the malware has affected both classified and unclassified systems at Creech.

Do they want a dozen roses too ?



www.tgdaily.com...


and one more absolutely brilliant statement...

"We generally do not discuss specific vulnerabilities, threats, or responses to our computer networks, since that helps people looking to exploit or attack our systems to refine their approach," said Lt. Col. Tadd Sholtis, a spokesman for Air Combat Command, which oversees the drones and all other Air Force tactical aircraft.



Then why talk NOW ????





edit on Oct-09-2011 by xuenchen because: (no reason given)



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 12:30 AM
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Call me a "conspiracy theorist"

but that's EXACTLY what I thought when I saw it on the news!!



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 12:40 AM
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Originally posted by Sci-Fi_entist
I don't get it. Aren't the drones still operated remotely? How's a virus gonna take over and fly a remote controlled vehicle. That doesn't make any sense

A virus can open access ports, which could then be utilized to take-over control of the drones.
Same as a computer can be taken-over once you have downloaded a virus

The virus could display to the legitimate user on screen that all his actions are proceeding as usual
(possibly replaying earlier vision of previous flight data images), while the controller running via the virus backdoor, could be dropping missles (en-route), or going anywhere else.
edit on 9-10-2011 by CitizenNum287119327 because: more info



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 12:41 AM
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Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Sci-Fi_entist
 


If it were to open controls from that 'cockpit' to an outsider, the drone would believe the commands were perfectly legitimate.


Ahh, I c. But yeah, in that case, the way the story was broke, if a drone attack did take place, you'd think such a convenient excuse would be seen through.



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 12:46 AM
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This is based on an incorrect initial premise in the first place, and thus invalid:


Maybe if they made an excuse about poor airline security, and uber elite terrorists before 9/11,
the Govt may have reduced the amount of non-believers of the 'official story'....


No, airline security in 2001 was what it was (and to tell the truth, it isn't really all that different now....lots of appearances, and over-the-top showing off, but light on reality behind the scenes).

But, the security procedures on-board the airliners operated by US air carriers, that is enhanced....merely the fact of increased awareness makes all the difference...not only for the crews, but for the passengers as well.

In any case, the so-called "truthers" you mentioned would exist, regardless...for they have no logic behind their rantings, only misconceptions spurred by many, many examples of shoddy "research" that have led to a free-for-all of ridiculous rumors, and the claims that are built upon them.

About the drones, and the virus....this is a worm virus that records the keystrokes. If it is doing more than that and we are being kept in the dark, then time will tell.

Meanwhile, you have to understand the apparatus and systems used (the hardware too) in order to operate those drones. And, their various fail-safe modes that are likely to be classified, and possibly even immune to this worm.

Recording the keystrokes might be nothing more than a form of espionage, whether corporate (by a contractor who wishes to emulate the success, and beat out its competition for sale to foreign customers), or by a foreign entity intent on learning how our systems are operated....perhaps to help them in building or enhancing their own.

So again, without the controlling hardware, monitors, computers, controls etc.....a drone could not be commandeered. Even with all that equipment, there would likely be passwords or other protections built-in to ensure that only that equipment that is compatible will be recognized by the on-board software.

Of course, the keystroke-copying could discover passwords....but, just as on your personal computer, knowing you have the malware is the first step to protecting yourself from harm.



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 12:53 AM
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Yes this virus could be used as an excuse. However I see it as a false flag potential and possibly used to instigate ww3.



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 12:53 AM
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Originally posted by Sci-Fi_entist

Originally posted by Wrabbit2000
reply to post by Sci-Fi_entist
 


If it were to open controls from that 'cockpit' to an outsider, the drone would believe the commands were perfectly legitimate.


Ahh, I c. But yeah, in that case, the way the story was broke, if a drone attack did take place, you'd think such a convenient excuse would be seen through.

In normal times, I would agree. No one would buy it. Remember though, this is a Government pulling things like Gun Walker and then standing around whistling while trying to look innocent as if nothing had happened. I don't attribute normal restraints and limitations to these people as they haven't been enough on other items up to this point.

Perhaps the OP's suggestion is at least something to keep in mind if an attack or some huge accident happens in the next 4-6 months. 90% of the public who even heard about this will forget it even made news within a couple weeks anyway. It'd be safe enough to have an 'accident' or hack after that.



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 12:57 AM
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About the drones, and the virus....this is a worm virus that records the keystrokes. If it is doing more than that and we are being kept in the dark, then time will tell.
...

agreed, it could be just a 'harmless' virus.
But, the fact that it got in there means another type could also get in there.

EG; Stuxnet.
Would that have been researched/coded/tested/deployed without first testing the security to see if a virus could get into the reactors computers in the first place?
Proof-of-Concept?

I only mentioned 9/11 as an example.
If you have your explanation of your failings already out there, if something happens, then *shrug* "we said it was compromised"

Also,
The Govt is suppressing the most meaningless things "in the interest of National Security" or to protect "National Interests".
But, they spew this information all over the world about their Drones????



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 01:07 AM
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Originally posted by CitizenNum287119327
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Also, The Govt is suppressing the most meaningless things "in the interest of National Security" or to protect "National Interests".

But, they spew this information all over the world about their Drones????


Exactly. For me, getting beyond how it could even be possible, this fact still irks me. Why the hell would you tell the media about this? It doesn't necessarily mean a false flag scenerario is iminent, but that sort of information being put out there for everyone's consumption sorta seems counterproductive to ensuring security. Big ol' question mark above my head right now...



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 01:14 AM
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The OP and others ideas certainly does seem plausible.

Only problem I have is that the drones are basically used to target individuals, so they can't have that much of an impact if they where really used as weapons.

Now if larger more important weapon systems where involved like the nuckear triad forces, then we would have a LOT to worry about.



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 01:33 AM
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Maybe it was Anon


I thought the same thing though... why announce an obviously sensitive thing to the public when they work so hard at concealing everything of even little importance... if not for an excuse?
"Oops, we accidentally attacked our own country... but we found out it was actually the Venezuelans!!" (according to the illuminati.org website back in 2008, that is the next local of US occupancy and war)



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 02:10 AM
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I hear they miss a lot. Or pilots mis identify targets at night. Or hi value targets involve "Justifiable Collateral Damage". Sounds to me like a good excuse was just generated. Next time we wipe out a wedding we can say, "Sorry about that. Were having a little trouble with the software."



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 02:38 AM
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Originally posted by charles1952
I don't see an "excuses first, false flag" situation. If, by some chance, control could be taken from the "pilots," everyone will expect the drones to be grounded until repaired. They can't be remote launched from inside a hangar. No one would believe a large attack of hijacked drones, so the false flag idea isn't workable.


The 9/11 OS doesn't make any sense either but they still use it as an excuse.



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 06:54 AM
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If the virus is 'just logging keystrokes', those keystrokes are what's controlling the drones.
If you can't takeover the drones from access provided by the virus,
the keystrokes could be utilized if they are able to intercept the drones control frequencies
as the fly within range with your own transmitter (if they also could replicate any signal encryption).



posted on Oct, 9 2011 @ 06:57 AM
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Hold up the horses before you guys start assuming the worst on this. Given the highly compartmentalized nature of the military its entirely possible that this virus is in fact not a virus but a system designed to monitor keystrokes to keep track of what drone pilots are doing, as suggested here and just not everyone in the military knows about it (hence the compartmentalization thing).



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