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reply posted on 9-10-2011 @ 11:01 AM by nightbringr
Originally posted by MidnightTide
reply to post by nightbringr


lobby groups should be banned


If done across the board, i agree.

However, since the process is in place, these people could use the system to further their goals by forming a lobby group. It would be a hell of a lot more productive than spitting on police officers and preventing citizens from using bridges.


reply posted on 9-10-2011 @ 11:05 AM by nightbringr
Originally posted by rwfresh
Originally posted by nightbringr
What a pointless little video.

The police do nothing wrong at any point. They are simply trying to herd an obviously unruly crowd. When people start throwing stuff at them and getting in their faces, they respond appropriately, and never once do I see them strike, pepperspray or otherwise abuse anyone.

Does anyone actually think this is police brutality? What do you possibly this can be accomplished by getting in their faces like that? Do you not think forming a lobby group to petition the government might be more effective?


Did our government lobby us on Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan? No. I think everyone can agree that civility is far more constructive than anarchy. But our Masters are not civil and not interested in constructive dialog. We are talking about prison guards who will throw you in the hole for threatening their violence with peace.

On a personal level these officers are under threat of violence and forced to enforce our Masters wishes. They are afraid of violent consequences if they stand up and promote real peace. They are complicit on another level but no more responsible than the protestors. Everyone is responsible for supporting our Masters and their domination out of fear of violence.


So............your advocating provoking police officers? These officers who get paid very little for the danger they place themselves in day in and day out protecting you? Thats right, i said protecting you. While you and your ilk tend to think the only thing police can do is assault innocent citizens, people like me have seen the other side. Each and every encounter ive had with police officers has been a good experience for me. Well, except those damn traffic tickets and stuff. But really, those were my fault.


reply posted on 9-10-2011 @ 11:24 AM by FreddyP
reply to post by nightbringr


This video clearly shows the a few protesters provoking the officers, I'm not one to fully support the police but they are also human beings. Obviously there are a few officers who have taken advantage of their power, but that doesnt mean that all law enforcers are inadequate.

I also wasnt aware of that fact, that acting in violent and/or childish manners were part of peaceful protests. JFK said it best..
"Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable."


reply posted on 9-10-2011 @ 11:40 AM by nosacrificenofreedom
reply to post by morder1


Things seem to be getting out of hand and I can tell that the police are fustrated. This is no way to protest! Violence will not gain support for the movement! I know many of you are fustrated but it took well over a hundred years to get to this point of oppression and we will not win our freedoms back over night. IMO this is the wrong way to win people over. Being on the streets is stupid especially in these numbers! We don't know who is protesting next to us and the elitist could easily infiltrate to cause a violent act and with that we can expect them to respond with violence! We have the ability to get rid of the Elitist through a protest of the system, to do this we must not support the system, don't purchase frivelous luxury items, don't keep money in the 5 TBTF banks, invest in physical precious metals, grow your own foods if possible, drive as little as possible, pay off or defalt on debts, use as little electricity as possible, ETC. If we bring down their system, they will lose their power as well. These banks depend on people borrowing, saving and purchasing goods, without that they have no profits to pay their enormous defalting balances. More people will get laid off and more will join the fight against them. Also the internet is where we need to be protesting, scheming and deciding which entities to take down and when, on a cooperative time scale. We need to be smart and to do that we need to make them look stupid. We need to show them that we have the power and they are just bottom feeders living off of our fear, pain and hardships! We can beat them but we wont do that on the streets with god knows who by our sides! If we do this right they will shut down the net like in Egypt and that will be the time to take to the streets! I promise you that these protests will turn violent and when they do we will lose ground, followers and god help our cause then!


reply posted on 9-10-2011 @ 11:57 AM by rwfresh
Originally posted by nightbringr
Originally posted by rwfresh
Originally posted by nightbringr
What a pointless little video.

The police do nothing wrong at any point. They are simply trying to herd an obviously unruly crowd. When people start throwing stuff at them and getting in their faces, they respond appropriately, and never once do I see them strike, pepperspray or otherwise abuse anyone.

Does anyone actually think this is police brutality? What do you possibly this can be accomplished by getting in their faces like that? Do you not think forming a lobby group to petition the government might be more effective?


Did our government lobby us on Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan? No. I think everyone can agree that civility is far more constructive than anarchy. But our Masters are not civil and not interested in constructive dialog. We are talking about prison guards who will throw you in the hole for threatening their violence with peace.

On a personal level these officers are under threat of violence and forced to enforce our Masters wishes. They are afraid of violent consequences if they stand up and promote real peace. They are complicit on another level but no more responsible than the protestors. Everyone is responsible for supporting our Masters and their domination out of fear of violence.


So............your advocating provoking police officers? These officers who get paid very little for the danger they place themselves in day in and day out protecting you? Thats right, i said protecting you. While you and your ilk tend to think the only thing police can do is assault innocent citizens, people like me have seen the other side. Each and every encounter ive had with police officers has been a good experience for me. Well, except those damn traffic tickets and stuff. But really, those were my fault.


NO actually i don't advocate provoking them. I advocate promotion of Peace under any circumstance. My father was a police officer. Understand that i don't have a choice whether they protect me or not. Meaning i am forced to support the good and the bad. But i don't want to anymore. that isn't freedom. If we are going to have enforcers they need to hold the highest character in society. That makes sense right? We don't want criminals making and enforcing laws right? Because when that happens you have no way but peaceful resistance to put an end to it. If a bunch of kids are cheering and protesting on the street the police should peacefully engage i dialog. It's easy.. "Please stay on the sidewalk because of A B and C." I didn't see that happening. Because these officers are literally looking for a fight. Maybe both were.. but aren't the police supposed to be the trained professionals? They just look like inexperienced idiot goons. If your child is doing something harmless but potentially annoying or disruptive do you run over and hit them on the head with a bat? No, you probably kneel down, look them in the face and explain what you need to happen. This isn't rocket science.


reply posted on 9-10-2011 @ 12:18 PM by Duamutef9
reply to post by Screwed


Have you read their list of demands? It's a half regurgitated mix of whining, entitlement mentality, Marx and Engels, and irrationality. Complaining about capitalism on your iPhone? Really? How many of these people's undergraduate degrees were paid for using money that was invested in the very institutions that they are protesting? This is all Obummer's attempt to get re-elected, and continue the slide of this country into European socialism.


reply posted on 9-10-2011 @ 12:31 PM by gabbermatt
reply to post by morder1


I think this happened on the 5th... I had seen and posted this video on my FB Thursday night when I found it.



reply posted on 9-10-2011 @ 02:03 PM by areyouserious2010
reply to post by Anusuia



Your argument is that police are actually doing the protestors a favour by creating havoc as it brings attention to the cause or the rally that otherwise would have continued to go rather unoticed in the MSM.

They are bringing attention to the protests incidentally but not intentionally or through official mission.

I was drawing the parrallel between how no one cared about Occupy Wall Street outside of those who were participating in the protest until police action brought attention to it.

So when that guy said F*** the police, in his or her own little creative way, I simply stated that the police have been instrumental in bringing attention to the protest.


reply posted on 9-10-2011 @ 02:23 PM by areyouserious2010
reply to post by BRITWARRIOR



All i see was people protesting peacefully, hold on... yeah i just checked again, none of them was doing ANYTHING wrong, oh ah hear come the aggressive roid freaks on bikes, oh look he just rammed a protester,

ANYTHING? Really? How about standing in the middle of the street in New York City? How about refusing to get out of the street when they see the police coming? How about aggressively approaching the police and yelling in their faces? Are you blind?

end of the day, they had every right to protest and had every right to be angry when getting rammed by the police, thos copper acted like bullys and totally abused there powers,

You are correct they have the right to protest. But not in the manner they are right now. People have the right to peacefully assemble and protest whatever they want. These people are not engaging in peaceful protest. They are standing in the middle of the street and refusing to move when told to do so.

there was absolutely no need to drag that guy out of the road like that either, they're not police officer, there just bouncers following orders, you can tell there all idiots and don't have half a brain between them, because that's not how you deal with people or treat people in that type of situation, your just asking for trouble doing it that way, they just steamed in without engaging the protesters before hand,

Now you are just being rediculous. Of course they had to drag the guy out of the street like that. First, traffic is already a huge problem in New York City. Second, have you ever been to New York City? The drivers there dont tolerate much. It is pretty much for his own safety as well because he would probably get hit sitting in the middle of the street.

ALSO, he should have been arrested. It was the officer's discretion that gave that young man the opportunity to sleep at home and not in jail that night.

If you call this a peaceful protest, Ghandi and MLK are probably looking at you with total, yet peaceful, disgust. This is far from the peaceful protests that actually accomplished anything.


reply posted on 9-10-2011 @ 02:31 PM by areyouserious2010
reply to post by Echtelion



I don't get it... if Obama supports the protesters, but he's the POTUS, how come he doesn't tell NYPD pigs to go home?

You probably dont get it because you are from Canada and you are under the misconception that the President has the authority to order any police force to do anything.

You are wrong. The president has no authority to order the police to do anything. If the president ordered a police officer to arrest someone and that person has broken no law, that person will not be arrested.

The police enforce the laws. They do not blindly follow orders given to them by anyone.


reply posted on 9-10-2011 @ 05:02 PM by areyouserious2010
reply to post by W3RLIED2


Some valid points here but unfortunately there is an element of die hard marxism that is making the argument very cloudy.

They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.

Foreclosure happens because a person can no longer afford their house. If someone can no longer afford something, they should not have it. Its personal responsibility. People should follow this basic rule as should the government.

They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.

They have. But with the assistance of politicians. The convenient purposeful blind eye to how bailouts are spent allows these people to get away with it. That is all of our fault. We do not hold our polititians accountable.

They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one's skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.

I dont know about this one. The verdict is still out. Or at least it is not as apparent as some claim it is. Plus, there are legal remedies to this through lawsuits.

They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.

It is still a free market. If people do not like what they are eating, eat something else. I think people enjoy convenience over health when it comes to food. That is not the fault of capitalism.

They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices.

I will agree with this one totally. It is disgusting and should not happen. But what is the overthrow of capitalism going to do to protect animals?

They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions. They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.

Unions can be a good thing. But they ask for too much in some situations and choose to be unreasonable instead of coming to a common ground. To be provided with education is not a human right. Teachers deserve to be paid. Where do you think that pay comes from? Does school cost too much? Yes, but that is because college has become an "experience" for the rich kids who attend. It is an excuse to extend their time of being a high schooler so they can drink and act immaturely. The colleges know this and make their profit off of it.

They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.

True, threatening to send a job overseas is leverage but that is only a threat because unions demand rediculous wages for the simplest of jobs.

They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.

Half true. This also plays into the politics of it. It is still systemic of not holding politicians accountable. Which is again our own fault.

They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.

Ok. Ill take your word for it.

They have sold our privacy as a commodity.

What privacy have they sold. The tracking of your facebook or the products you buy. What is the harm in that?

They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.

Bull. Absolutely not. This is not some authoritarian government where we have press black outs. This is a misconception.

They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.

Ok. Sure. But its not the recalls that you should be worried about. It is when they decide to simply pay the lawsuits of those injured because it would be cheaper than a recall.

They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.

Yea I dont know. Maybe. Economic policy is determined by politicians who are not held accountable by us.

They have donated large sums of money to politicians supposed to be regulating them.

True. Again this is our fault. We should support term limits and campaign finance reform to disallow this. Again, our fault.

They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.

Im sorry but the technology simply is not there yet to effectively replace oil.

They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantive profit.

It is more profit to treat rather than cure.
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reply posted on 9-10-2011 @ 05:11 PM by areyouserious2010
reply to post by W3RLIED2



They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.

Ok. So better oversight is needed to prosecute these misdeeds. But there are those out there who would argue against more government oversight.

They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.

I think this is systemic of your freedom of the press. There are differing viewpoints on every event on this planet.

They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.

If there were serious doubts about their innocence, why werent they brought up in trial. It sounds like those "serious" doubts are not as "serious" as they are reported to be.

They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.

Colonialism as in the outsourcing of jobs to foreign nations? Colonialism does not exist in its previous form anylonger.

They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.

In what context are you referring to?

They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.

I dont care how much of a pacifist you are, we still need a military. That military must be equiped with highly effective weapons to remain competitive. The military must remain competitive to defend US interests abroad.

When you break it down, most of these problems would not be solved with the overthrow of capitalism. It would either be replaced by state run industry which would be much more authoritarian or it would continue.


reply posted on 11-10-2011 @ 04:52 AM by W3RLIED2
reply to post by areyouserious2010


So pretty much you're agreeing with me that there is somethings that are seriously wrong.

Keep telling yourself that our views are so different that we can't overcome them for the common good, that's whats expected of you.


reply posted on 11-10-2011 @ 10:48 AM by areyouserious2010
reply to post by W3RLIED2


So pretty much you're agreeing with me that there is somethings that are seriously wrong.

Yes. I agree with you there is something that is wrong. But what I am trying to say is that capitalism is not the root of all evil like the OWS protesters are claiming.

Capitalism has its benefits. Like personal freedom and the ability to gain wealth to be able to live comfortably.

Communism, socialism and marxism have benefits too but at the cost of personal freedom.

The biggest enemy to capitalism and anyone living in a country with that type of economic system is GREED not capitalism itself. What the OWS protesters are pretty much arguing for is socialism or communism. They are preaching right out of Marx's bible. But what they do not realize is that they are going to shed one form of oppression for another just because it beneifts them right now. Just like when the people got behind the bourgeoisie when they overthrew the feudal order.

Capitalism allows the most personal freedom. Personal freedom motivates better than any other form of incentive when it comes to economic models. Capitalism has outlasted all socialist and communist regimes because it works.

The OWS protesters are going after the rich just because they are rich, which is wrong. They dont know how hard some have worked to gain that amount of wealth. What needs to happen is GREED needs to be sought out and controlled. If someone can gain that much wealth from their business, and still pay a fair wage TO THE AMERICAN WORKER and allow for benefits like healthcare and retirement then we should have no problem with that.

Stop attacking capitalism and start attacking greed. This starts by going after the politicians. Capitalism did not put you in this position, economic policies installed by the politicians did. Do you know why? Because the American Citizen has become too lazy or bored with the political process. We do not keep track of how our representatives represent us. We do not care to keep track of how and why they vote and hold them accountable to it. We are not entertained enough by it on the local level.

The police also did not put you in this position and they are NOT trying to silence the message. You can protest all you want and the police will allow it as long as you do it properly. You have the right to PEACEFULLY assemble and protest all you want. The second your right to protest infringes on someone else's rights then your rights end. Meaning dont block public streets, dont block public sidewalks, dont block entrances to businesses and dont try to provoke the police just to try to get on television. The police are caught in the middle. You have the protesters on one side, and those not participating in the protest on another. The protesters want to do whatever they want while the people not in the protest just want to get to where they are going which happens to be near or takes them past the demonstration. These are the people who the police are protecting the rights of not the Wall Street fat cats or the big bankers. Its the people just trying to get to work or home or wherever they are trying to go peacefully.

So yes, I agree there is something wrong but that should sum it up.
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