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My point (with reference to my previous post in this thread) was that its only the "modern", "advanced" nations of Europe that seems to have a problem with Islamic culture having a visible presence on their lands.
They are the only ones paranoid about muslim culture "taking over" their lands. They are the ones churning out material that demonize the muslim people.
NAIROBI, Jun 18, 2003 (IPS) - Muslim leaders in Kenya are demanding shariah, or Islamic laws, which Christians fear could plunge the East African nation into a religious war like in Sudan and Nigeria.
In neighbouring Sudan, Christians and Muslims have been fighting, on and off, since 1955. Sudan's conflict, between its majority Arab Muslim northerners and black Christian southerners, is rooted in religion.
More than two million people, mostly non-combatants in the south, have been killed since the latest war erupted in 1983. It was ignited by former President Gaafar Nimeiri when he imposed the shariah in Africa's largest country.
Christians fear that shariah would split Kenya, which for a long time has been regarded as an oasis of tranquillity in the troubled region, along religious lines.
Efforts to end the conflict have bogged down over the status of the capital, Khartoum, with Muslims seeking to retain the laws, and Christians demanding a shariah-free capital.
Shariah is also threatening to tear Nigeria - Africa's most populous nation - apart. The law has been adopted by 12 of the 36 states of Nigeria over the last two years. Nigeria is split 50/50 between Christians and Muslims.
I mean, its not like these muslims have a military presence in their lands. Its not like these nations are getting bombed by muslim nations... like the way muslim nations are getting bombed by these "advanced" nations.
Now that I understand your point, what is to be done with Kenya, Sudan, Nigeria, and Somalia?
So why is it that the advanced nations are involved? Is it because they're seeing what's happening elsewhere?
Originally posted by babloyi
reply to post by smallpeeps
Smallpeeps, [...] It sounds like you have a much more far-reaching and over-arching conspiracy, going all the way back to ancient Egypt and bloodlines and stuff than I'd be able to understand . A little simpler?
Originally posted by smallpeeps
it essentially boils down to the elite core around Hitler, and who they were, and to what end they were managing him. Himmler, I am saying, appears to be a manager. Around him, are the men he is managing via their own psychosis. These would be Hitler, Heydrich, Mengele, Goebbles etc.
its only the "modern", "advanced" nations of Europe that seems to have a problem with Islamic culture having a visible presence on their lands.
So anyone who drums up fears . . . about "Sharia taking over the courts", probably has ulterior motives.
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
reply to post by babloyi
Its strange how I dont hear about non-western countries worrying about Sharia law taking over their way of life.
Its also funny, how I dont hear about non-western countries banning Islamic symbols such as hijabs and minarets etc. These countries dont seem as paranoid.
Anti-islamic legislature seem to be confined to western, more "developed" European nations... I mean, these guys are ok with bombing/shooting at muslims in muslim countries but yet, are not cool with the idea of having muslims walk around in Islamic garb in their towns and cities.
I guess you and I have different ideas of what a condemnation consists of. Look at this second statement from your source:
Originally posted by babloyi
Well, just to tell you, they DO!
This link shows a sample of the hundreds and hundreds of muslim organisations, community leaders and scholars who condemn terrorism.
I can imagine those words coming out of the mouth of the pilot of the plane flying into the world Trade Center.
“All Muslims ought to be united against all those who terrorize the innocents, and those who permit the killing of non-combatants without a justifiable reason.
Originally posted by smallpeeps
it essentially boils down to the elite core around Hitler, and who they were, and to what end they were managing him. Himmler, I am saying, appears to be a manager. Around him, are the men he is managing via their own psychosis. These would be Hitler, Heydrich, Mengele, Goebbles etc.
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Nazi Propaganda Minister Joseph Goebbels read the book in early August and immediately grasped its value, writing in his diary: "This Jew did a real service for the enemy [German] side. Had he written this book for us, he could not have made it any better."[15] Under Goebbels' direction, Germany Must Perish! continued to receive significant media attention in Germany. Portions of the book were read on national radio, and [Goebbels ordered the printing of five million copies of a pamphlet that summarized Kaufman's ideas.
Nazi propaganda often used Kaufman's pamphlet as a justification for the persecution of Jews. When the Nazis required German Jews to wear a yellow badge on their clothing on September 1, 1941, they published a flyer explaining to the German people that those individuals wearing the star were conspiring to implement Kaufman's plan for the destruction of Germany.[15] When the Jews of Hanover were forced from their homes on September 8, 1941, German authorities cited Kaufman's book as one of the reasons.[6][17] Kaufman responded by saying:
"This is just a flimsy pretext for another of the innate cruelties of the German people ... I don't think it was my book that prompted this barbarity. They employed every possible German cruelty against the Jews long before my book was published."[17]
The Nazi propaganda ministry continued to publish pamphlets, posters and flyers on Kaufman's ideas through the end of the war, and also urged newspapers and public speakers to remind Germans of Kaufman's book. Kaufman's last major appearance in Nazi propaganda occurred in late 1944, when a five-page section on him was included in the widely-published booklet Never!, which described a number of alleged plots to destroy Germany.[15] Randall Bytwerk, an historian of communications at Calvin College, concluded that "[a] German at the time could not have missed encountering" propaganda about Kaufman.[15]
His final publication through Argyle Press was the March 1942 brochure titled "No More German Wars! Being an outline for their permanent cessation". It contained no more writing on the sterilization of Germans or discussion of German land distribution, but made very moderate proposals for democratic re-education of the German population.
He enlisted in the US Army in New Mexico on April 24, 1942.[18] His three brothers also served.
Few Americans have ever heard of a prominent fellow-citizen named Kaufmann ... In Germany every child has known of him for a long time. Germans are so well informed about Mr. Kaufmann that the mere mention of his name recalls what he stands for. In one of his recent artlcles Dr. Goebbels wrote, "Thanks to the Jew Kaufmann, we Germans know only too well what to expect in case of defeat."[19] — The Nation, November 14, 1942
After World War II, Kaufman disappeared entirely from public life.
Originally posted by smallpeeps
it essentially boils down to the elite core around Hitler, and who they were, and to what end they were managing him. Himmler, I am saying, appears to be a manager. Around him, are the men he is managing via their own psychosis. These would be Hitler, Heydrich, Mengele, Goebbles etc.
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"It was Karl Marx (1818-1883) who was born Jewish and whose family converted to Christianity when he was six, who wrote a book, A World Without Jews. Karl Marx helped promote anti-Semitism in the United States. In his reports from Europe for Horace Greeley's New York Tribune, Marx wrote, "Thus we find every tyrant backed by a Jew."
In 1856 Karl Marx wrote, "Thus do these loans which are a curse to the people, a ruin to the government become a blessing to the house of Judah. This Jewish organization of loan mongers is as dangerous to the people as the aristocratic organization of landowners."
Congressman Gordon Scherer on the House Committee of Un-American Activities was convinced from the testimony of many people, including prominent Jews, that the Communist Party was anti-Semitic, and is as anti-Semitic as Hitler ever was. Communism was, of course, committed to atheism and Judaism is inexorably committed to monotheism, the root of religious beliefs of the Western world today. It is also interesting to note that Hitler was in fact a National Socialist, in contradistinction to a Communist, who is an International Socialist. Ideologically the two philosophies are identical except that the Nazi fascist type of dictatorship could care less about International Socialists. Its own Germany-"Deutschland Uber Alles" (Germany above all)—prevailing its thought and action. It was Hitler's political platform that appealed to the German working classes that spoke of socializing industry and retail business, but nevertheless was backed by big wealthy
industrialists such as Krupp."
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In 1856 Karl Marx wrote, "Thus do these loans which are a curse to the people, a ruin to the government become a blessing to the house of Judah. This Jewish organization of loan mongers is as dangerous to the people as the aristocratic organization of landowners."
“We may lie and cheat Gentiles. In the Talmud it says: It is permitted for Jews to cheat Gentiles.”
WASHINGTON — Let them eat pork!
Mitt Romney is getting heat for a 2003 veto he cast as governor of Massachusetts to reject $600,000 in additional funds for poor Jewish nursing-home residents to get kosher meals.
At the time, Romney said he nixed the funding of about $5 per day because it "unnecessarily" would lead to an "increased rate for nursing facilities" — even as kosher nursing homes were complaining that state-funding-formula changes could force them to close their kitchens.
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The Massachusetts Legislature approved an amendment to restore the $600,000 to finance the kosher meals allowing a "most vulnerable segment of our population" to "enjoy a special dignity," according to the Jewish Community Council.
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"Well, 'let them eat pork or let them eat something else' — if you’re kosher, you’re not eating anything else. It’s just that simple. Why Romney didn’t get it at that particular time is disappointing and quite shocking to me."
Gingrich Robo-Call: Romney Took Kosher Food From Holocaust Survivors
"Romney as governor imposed on Catholic hospitals provisions against their religious strictures and Romney as Governor eliminated kosher food for retired Jewish senior citizens,” Gingrich told a crowd in Pensacola, Fla., on Monday. “He has no understanding of the importance of religious liberty in this country."