Retaliation to occupy wall street being a theater of the absurd.

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posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 02:33 PM
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Judge won't stop NYPD from busing protesters

The Associated Press

October 04, 2011 02:41 PM EDT


www.ajc.com/news/nation-world/judge-wont-stop-nypd-1194320.html


NEW YORK — A federal judge in New York City has denied a temporary restraining order that would have prevented police from using city buses to transport arrested protesters.

The decision was issued Tuesday.

On Monday, the transit union filed a lawsuit. It wants to stop police from making drivers leave their routes to take protesters to holding facilities.

The Transport Workers Union of Greater New York says police ordered bus drivers to go to the Brooklyn Bridge on Saturday. They'd made more than 700 arrests there during the Occupy Wall Street demonstration.

The lawsuit had asked for a court order to stop the practice.

The city Law Department has said the NYPD's actions were proper.




posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 02:53 PM
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The antiprotest people.. To me is just another sign that ATS is nothing more then a right wing troll board these days.

And people, remember all these "Ron Paul" supporters who are against the protest.. Should tell you a bit about what they really think and support.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 03:00 PM
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I would bet a third of the people there don't even know exactly why there there, but are gleaning information as they remain. The major thrust of it seems our disatisfaction with the corrupt politics and the collusion of banking and our representatives. WE THE PEOPLE....... that's what it's about, and WE are not going to take it anymore. Just wait till it gets ugly, then when it gets REAL UGLY, then the President, Congress and polititions will listen and do what they were paid by every taxpayer to do. Only when the voices can't be silenced...... will it change

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posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 03:00 PM
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If you have a problem with the Wall Street Protesters, then go and protest them. Quit posting on a forum and go make a difference if you honestly believe this is communism or some other conspiracy. I would be willing to bet after going there you would probably change your mind about them.

They have conviction for a just cause that is talked about on this forum all the time, people are waking up. The Sheeple are no longer the Sheeple, they are waking up to what is wrong with this world. What we discuss here and debate.

-Kdial1
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posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 03:10 PM
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Yet, some Americans still believe they are all hippies and kids with no education. This is their chance to make a move and all of them are against their own people. What a shame for Americans to wake up.

"Occupy Wall Street" Unaired Fox Footage from Above Top Secret
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posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 03:12 PM
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I love the basic sentiment of "Those protesters are just a bunch of kids who are sleeping on the pavement and walking in the rain 24/7 while getting abused by the cops because they are lazy, bored, and don't want to work"

Do these people hear what comes out of their own mouths? Flipping burgers is way easier than being in the rain and getting beat up for days on end. These people are not all kids and obviously none of them are lazy or bored.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 03:15 PM
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There was just a TV documentary about the internet "auction" sites that makes 100 fake profiles so they win most of the auctions themselves.
In 2008 a few Rumney supporters voted 100s of times in the Florida straw poll.
What's to stop TPTB to make 100 fake ATS profiles to make it seem there is a big group of people that think the Wallstreet are the saints of the world, and the protesters are only interested in blocking the path for workers getting to work, or that buildings can completey destroy themselves against all physical laws, for example.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 03:17 PM
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Isn't it time to start talking about what comes after capitalism.

The people propagating the system we have in place are the ones that stand to gain the most, we are tired.

Increase the monetary value of our labour, decrease the time we should work each week so we can do human stuff instead of this crummy wage slavery.

Isn't this the message?

Wall Street, The City, wherever it is, these concentrations of economic power are sucking the life out of the people, and corrupted, weak governments are unable to protect us.

Lets pick up our ball and go home, let them play their markets on their own, not with my hard work.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 03:37 PM
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1.) What is Wallstreet going to do about unemployment when poor fiscal policy and impending new taxes are looming and causing unsure feelings in the people controlling large amounts of a companies shares. Nervous companies don't hire.

2.) Again what is Wallstreet going to do here. How do CEOs and brokers and people manning phones in exchanges change the behavior of the FED?

3.) Are you expecting a handout to raise your social status? I mean seriously are you asking the wealthy to stop making money to pay you? The executives at my company a few of whom I know very well are extremely well off and more importantly extremely charitable. . . What else do you want from them?

4.) You want to whine about the education system go to WASHINGTON not Wallstreet. Again I ask what do you think wallstreet can do about public education? I don't see anything they could do short of adding some charter schools to there indexes...

5.) Growth has slowed to a crawl yes. Inflation in the extreme is looming. Where do you get teh idea that the wealthy haven't been affected by this? WHEN THE MARKETS LOSE POINTS INVESTORS LOSE MONEY. . . When they lose money people lower on the ladder lose jobs.

6.) And what is it you want Wallstreet to do about this one? I know what you want... Hand outs. THERE IS NOTHING IN THE SYSTEM HOLDING YOU DOWN. Educate yourself seek opportunity actively quit blaming the poverty you see on people with money. Should the people with money buy dinner for the person perfectly capable of working but not and living on the street OR should they cut a damn paycheck for the guy who spent 4 years or more and a giant chunk of their own resources to get the necessary skills to do a job?

When you stop screaming for socialist reforms people may start to listen. Not one person in the united states is outright denied the ability to further their lives and grow their worth. Their are unfortunate cases such as handicaps or disabilities but that is okay. Most Americans are generous, and we already have programs in place to help those who need it and we do help them even though a good portion dont actually NEED it or milk it for far to long without trying to achieve personal growth.

just my .02



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 03:40 PM
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Originally posted by xxshadowfaxx
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There is more than enough resources for 7 billion people on this planet. Look around, most of the planet has unused land. This could be used to supply people. Rather than raping the resources, they could be rationalized, and distributed to everyone. We have the resources to do this, if the rich would stop raping them.


If all the wealth in the world were evenly divided each person would get less than 10k.
Someone working a minimum wage job in the U.S is already making about 33 percent more than that.
Is that enough to be comfortable or raise a family in this country? No.
But people need to think through these demands to redistribute the wealth.
You'll more than likely be one of the ones giving up some.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 03:48 PM
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I agree things do need to be changed within this country/world, but instead of focusing on the problems like unemployment, bail outs, social divide, education system, inflation, greed... its more important to focus on solutions to those problems. If your worried about inflation and unemployment thats not going to solve the problem. Solving the problem for yourself would be to make more money (start a business would be the best thing) - which in turns can employ more people. A business can be started for next to nothing on the internet. People always have excuses why they cant or won't do that, but starting a small business is great for the economy.

I'm way to happy with life to be protesting anything, however if someone feels the need to protest thats their right as long as they don't interfere with others rights.

Protesters are unhappy with the unemployment rate... do you really believe it is your "right" to have a job that the government must help provide? Where does this job come from? A business that also has its own rights as well. Or maybe pointless and worthless public jobs that leech off of tax payers money?

I definitely agree things need to change within government. And I also believe people are way to dependent on the government when the majority can be independent. There was a time when there was no such thing as "jobs" and people just bartered and traded, which is similar to having your own business.....



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 03:48 PM
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A country road. A tree. Evening. Estragon, sitting on a low mound, is trying to take off his boot. He pulls at it with both hands, panting. He gives up, exhausted, rests, tries again. As before. Enter Vladimir.

ESTRAGON:
(giving up again). Nothing to be done.

VLADIMIR:
(advancing with short, stiff strides, legs wide apart). I'm beginning to come round to that opinion. All my life I've tried to put it from me, saying Vladimir, be reasonable, you haven't yet tried everything. And I resumed the struggle. (He broods, musing on the struggle. Turning to Estragon.) So there you are again.

ESTRAGON:
Am I?


Waiting For Godot by Samuel Beckett

Notes on Theater of the Absurd


Samuel Beckett is probably the most well known of the absurdist playwrights because of his work Waiting for Godot. Beckett's plays seem to focus on the themes of the uselessness of human action, and the failure of the human race to communicate.





1. Unemployment is skyrocketing.

The common laborer is being taken out by technology. Factories are becoming automated. Because of the financial crisis, most companies are working with only as many employees as they need, rather than hiring more.


Technology has been threatening to do this for more than fifty years. Apparently the "common laborer" couldn't be bothered to reasonably predict this outcome and prepare for the consequences of it. Instead, the "common laborer" blindly accepted a paycheck, never questioned why the lending rate was suppressed and kept lower than the rate of inflation, so it never occurred to the "common laborer" that saving money was useless under such circumstances. It never occurred to the "common laborer" because few had a mind to save money anyway. Consumerism become the "common laborer"s" new religion, and the "common laborer" demanded they get stuff in return for their hard work! Cool stuff like iPads, and iPhones, and HDTV, and SUV's, and crock pots, and coffee makers, microwaves, toasters, and hair dryers.


ESTRAGON:
People are bloody ignorant apes.

He rises painfully, goes limping to extreme left, halts, gazes into distance off with his hand screening his eyes, turns, goes to extreme right, gazes into distance. Vladimir watches him, then goes and picks up the boot, peers into it, drops it hastily.

VLADIMIR:
Pah!

He spits. Estragon moves to center, halts with his back to auditorium.

ESTRAGON:
Charming spot. (He turns, advances to front, halts facing auditorium.) Inspiring prospects. (He turns to Vladimir.) Let's go.

VLADIMIR:
We can't.

ESTRAGON:
Why not?

VLADIMIR:
We're waiting for Godot.

ESTRAGON:
(despairingly). Ah!





Damned if you do, damned if you don't, welcome to america.


Victimology is not, by any stretch of the imagination, solely an American pastime. Victims the world over wear their helplessness like a red badge of courage.


VLADIMIR:
It's for the kidneys. (Silence. Estragon looks attentively at the tree.) What do we do now?

ESTRAGON:
Wait.

VLADIMIR:
Yes, but while waiting.

ESTRAGON:
What about hanging ourselves?

VLADIMIR:
Hmm. It'd give us an erection.

ESTRAGON:
(highly excited). An erection!

VLADIMIR:
With all that follows. Where it falls mandrakes grow. That's why they shriek when you pull them up. Did you not know that?

ESTRAGON:
Let's hang ourselves immediately!

VLADIMIR:
From a bough? (They go towards the tree.) I wouldn't trust it.

ESTRAGON:
We can always try.

VLADIMIR:
Go ahead.

ESTRAGON:
After you.

VLADIMIR:
No no, you first.

ESTRAGON:
Why me?

VLADIMIR:
You're lighter than I am.

ESTRAGON:
Just so!

VLADIMIR:
I don't understand.

ESTRAGON:
Use your intelligence, can't you?

Vladimir uses his intelligence.

VLADIMIR:
(finally). I remain in the dark.


Protest is just a limp wristed way of admitting that one is helpless to do anything else. It's not like American's today would even consider doing something like Henry David Thoreau did more than 160 years ago. Not pleased with the prospect of a Mexican-American war, Thoreau refused to pay a poll tax in a symbolic gesture of firing the President. He was subsequently arrested and spent a night in jail, and if it wasn't for some rich asshole in the form of Ralph Waldo Emerson paying Thoreau's tax for him, Thoreau would have likely been convicted of tax evasion, and faced that conviction as a necessary tactic to fighting tyranny. More than protest, Thoreau acted!



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 03:52 PM
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While Washington was bailing out Wall Street, those companies execs were, immediately. taking mulit-millon dollar vacations while those living on Social Security were living on the same amt monthly for 3 yrs now. We were told the bonuses & vacations were part of contracts. Contracts get broken & changed every day.

While billions of dollars is being spent on un-win-able wars homes are being foreclosed & entire families were being put out on the streets right here. During Fox News Sunday 9/25/11 men were telling us how we would have to cut social security & other 'entitlements' I can't speak for everyone but every pay check I ever got showed social security taken out before I even saw the check. The next segment was about Pakistan & the "aid" given there. Where does that make sense? Where does any of it make sense?

The entire system is broken & a corrupt system can not be voted out. The only thing to do is either fix the entire system, or come up with a new plan. The worker should not have to foot the bill alone. But then so many workers are out of work.

A friend called me after I left a message telling him occupy wall street was going on. He asked what was the effort for? The only answer I had was "Everything".



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 03:55 PM
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Very good idea, unfortunately, none of those people are actually protesting those things.. if they were they'd be:

1. Getting jobs
2. Not voting for Obama
3. Quit coveting the possessions of others
4. Quit voting for Teachers Unions and the Department of Education
5. Voting for Ron Paul
6. Quit supporting corporate America (cough cough Apple) and chasing greed...

Oh wait - you can't be against the rich and "inequality" if you're also against "greed"... it's all relative.

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posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 04:07 PM
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Fantastic thread, clearly outlined and a great responce to the ignorance of the forementioned thread.

Nice one, and thankyou, lets keep this thread stuck to the main page while this revolution is progressing.

On one hand, even if this is some false flag absurd movement that is currently happening, many if not the majority of people should be following in their footsteps. Without hesitation and this should definatly not lose momentum. I back every single person who has gone out of their way to make all occupy protests and any future protests that happen.

Exciting time to live in, lets stop throwing absurdaties at these forward thinking people and give them the support throught the media and to which the whole world should be offering them.

If i had the money, i would be on a plane and i would be supporting them whole heartedly. for the sake of the press and this movement and for the sake of the billions of people, the groups, corporations and leaders of todays entertainment business should be out there too!

Common sence dictates that what is currently happening is a push for the world in the right direction!

Issues should be raised, discussions should be had (without losing momentum or being sidelined) and the leaders of this world should be answerable soley to the human beings who share this beautiful earth with them, at such a fantastic time!

These movements dont condesend, discriminate nor judge due to colour, creed, race, religion, belief. They stand for the basic rights of the billions of people left in poverty and with a less satisfactory life than those greedy uncompasionate people at the top of the finiancial pyramid!

Time for these big cats to start distrubuting their wealth to aid their fellow people for the sake of progression for humanity!

Lets stop discriminating, standing still and without momentum and lets aid anyone and everyone equally for the sake of love, good health, peace, happiness and basic human rights!

Selfishness is a thing of the past!

thank-god for this amazing forum and the participants who are open and fearless enough to make some god damn change in this stale dispicable world we live in


Peace to you all, Blessed be and give yourselfs 1 huge pat on the back.

many of us feel like we have no use in this world, we dont stand out, we don't aid to the development, recently, today and the very near future we are! every word of encouragement and every word we say that the greedy 1% dont want us to say, is support for the rest and is one huge step in a fantastic, exciting and loving direction.

Blessed be
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posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 04:08 PM
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why occupy wallstreet.. occupy the fed they are the real crooks. wall street sucks but THE CENTRAL BANKING SYSTEM IS THE TRUE ENEMY

but off course fall for the red herring



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 04:10 PM
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So back to the same old story, Humanity as a whole is greedy, and unsympathetic. The Rich don't care about the Poor, and they never will, they are just looking for the next source of profit, if it takes the genocide of an entire civilization, most Elite would not think twice.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 04:18 PM
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Depression - The attitude of the many, dispelling the good actions of the few due to fear, hatred and misunderstanding.

Change is scary? if the world goes through a revolution of huge change, that means change for everybody, if the people at the bottom complain about change, and are fearful and dont wish to experience it.

Imagine what the people with the wealth feel, they must be clutching at straws. Dropping number 2's in their pants!

Stop fearing and hating and stop dispelling the positive words of the few.

its disgraceful. If you dont want change, dont even comment about it, stick to your 9 - 5 jobs, horde for greed and the apprent 'future' and leave those who realise the suffering of the many in this world alone to do the best they can.

for you will be the ones, when change happens, to struggle depress over and fear the future, while the rest of us are building a difference. Different could go wrong yes, but its worth a try isn't it? it's got to be better than what we are stuck in at the moment?

Many will say no, im sure.

For those - you seriously got some issues. real issues, so deep in your rabbit hole you can't even pop your head out. shameful.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 04:20 PM
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Originally posted by Cuervo
I love the basic sentiment of "Those protesters are just a bunch of kids who are sleeping on the pavement and walking in the rain 24/7 while getting abused by the cops because they are lazy, bored, and don't want to work"

Do these people hear what comes out of their own mouths? Flipping burgers is way easier than being in the rain and getting beat up for days on end. These people are not all kids and obviously none of them are lazy or bored.


Exactly.

The "the rich" expect a poor economy to get "the masses" to surrender to the corporate agenda.

They expect us to fight each other.

These kids are dangerous to the plutocracy.



posted on Oct, 4 2011 @ 04:37 PM
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Thank you for taking a stand and putting it so eloquently...

Wish I could add something to it, but, you said it all my friend...





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