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reply posted on 6-10-2011 @ 07:57 PM by galactix
reply to post by Rule34


Originally posted by Rule34
This universe is so vast its basically unimaginable.

Think of a busy road , over time two objects will collide.

We are all still alive so it wasn't that big a deal was it ?


it is imaginable. whether that imagined thing is correct is the issue.

the big deal is that according to pure Newtonian physics (leaving out relativistic velocities) the mass and energy of the sungrazer was far too small to evoke such a large reaction. conservation of energy 'n all that.

from one perspective, it was coincidental.
from another, there were forces and dynamics involved not taken into account, not even really known, in fact.

hence the debate.


reply posted on 6-10-2011 @ 10:46 PM by googolplex
reply to post by Previous
Well that's not very neighborly.
Tisk, Tisk, wham kill the Nazi satellites.


reply posted on 7-10-2011 @ 08:32 AM by diamondsmith
reply to post by Human_Alien
,The thing that slammed the sun just caused the 6.1 Kermadec islands earthquake 7 October 2011 8:58:29 UTC,in the same day minute and hour that the strip chart was sting measured at 3 different station geomag.usgs.gov...() andearthquake.usgs.gov...() because even on earth there is a magnetic reconnection after a CME that's the reason is happening after 6 days,I am terrified what will be on 13 October and 21 October


reply posted on 7-10-2011 @ 10:49 PM by galactix
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by galactix

But by the 25th it was a different story. It turns out the antitail wasn't visible until some time after perihelion when the geometry was right.
April 25.9-26.0. Stockholm Observatory plates, photographs by Darsenius, by Folgelquist, and by several other observers. The tails are quite symmetric, the ordinary tail has a length of about 30º and the anomalous tail has the appearance of a narrow rectilinear ray surrounded by a diffuse envelope.

adsabs.harvard.edu...


you're right.
curious.

it [the spike] was visible for just a few days while we passed thru the comet's orbital plane. and at a moment when the sun (from our perspective) was also in that plane.

hmmm.

i love mysteries. my day job is failure analysis.

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reply posted on 8-10-2011 @ 08:24 AM by consciousgod
reply to post by galactix


The EM ropes became visible to our eyes when the comet passed through the plane.

The sun blast the comet with hydrogen protons causing the visible tail and the comet responds by sending a jet of electrically charged plasma to the sun.

This happens while crossing the plane because the space in this area is disturbed and more energetic than outside the plane.

If you look at the infrared googlesky image, you can see colored bands in the sky marking the orbital planes of all the planets. The colored bands represent different energy signatures in space.

This is why one should expect to see the anti-tail when passing through the plane. While more disturbed, energetic particles in the plane react, the more space conducts EM activity.

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reply posted on 8-10-2011 @ 08:42 AM by galactix
reply to post by Phage


some further notes on this phenomenon and questions from the referenced paper:

from summery:
a large distortion in the ordinary tail occurred April 27-28 (after the observed forward spike).
AND there was a very large solar flare on the 26th, which the authors comment on, speculating that perhaps the flare caused the distortion in the tail (it was more than an AU out at this point).

so:
april 25 (we pass thru orbital plane) see dramitic forward spike (which is explained as dust particles in the orbital plane)
april 26 huge flare
april 27 & 28 large distortion in the ordinary tail.

curious.

i admit tho, that the dust (how do we know its dust?) hypothesis is not disprovable given the data we have to work with. The images themselves are fairly crappy and the incidence of flares and normal tail distortions within the same time frame, point to other possibilities.

as always, the deeper i look, what i find are questions, not answers.

bleh


reply posted on 8-10-2011 @ 08:46 AM by galactix
reply to post by consciousgod


agreed.

passing thru the plane allows us to see ANYTHING concentrated there...and it very well could have been a very fast stream of particles invisible until the ray angles were just right.

i wonder if the Earths passage thru the orbital plane were more than just a location thing? Perhaps there's an interaction there as well..all the energy is in the orbital plane , right?

more questions.....again



reply posted on 16-10-2011 @ 12:59 PM by ProudBird
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What are Mr. McCanney's credentials? Oh, he seems to be another of those "EU" believers? (Electric Universe Theory has been generally discredited).

redpill.dailygrail.com...


How about getting the perspective of an actual astronomer....www.badastronomy.com...

Snippett:

McCanney's head popped out of the hole a few years back. He's been making wacky claims for decades, but like most tabloid scientists, it was the internet where he finally found an audience .... That, and fringe radio shows.

He was an infrequent guest on many of these programs, but of late-- probably due to several astronomical events, like the appearance of some bright comets-- he has been getting more time. He's been on "Coast to Coast AM" quite a bit, for example.

His spiel on these programs is pretty much what you'd expect: he says that everything we know about astronomy (and really, all of science) is wrong. He says that NASA is lying to you, scientists are lying to you, I am lying to you. And, of course, only he knows The Truth.



"Fringe" in terms of science can be a good thing, and can lead to new discoveries..... as long as you have valid data and a solid hypothesis that is testable and verifiable, in order to contribute to science.

Making half-baked and unsupported claims, though, by appealing to those who will eat it up and have no actual scientific background, well. That might be called being a huckster.


reply posted on 16-10-2011 @ 10:30 PM by Human_Alien
Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by galactix

That's the trouble. If you don't know much about science, pseudoscience can seem to make sense. If you ignore the evidence.
www.badastronomy.com...


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Also, if you're stuck on science you don't allow for other possibilities like, intergalactic, interdimensional, multi-dimensional, extra-dimensional or extraterrestrial life forms to co-exist with us or merely passing through our solar system.


Science is only man-made explanations....not Universal truth. BIG difference!
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reply posted on 17-10-2011 @ 03:48 PM by charlyv
reply to post by Human_Alien




Science is only man-made explanations....not Universal truth. BIG difference!


Every explaination is man-made - Science or Pseudo,

The world is the way it is because if it were not, you would not be here to observe it.
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