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reply posted on 3-10-2011 @ 03:49 AM by GovtFlu
reply to post by mnmcandiez



Thats called vicarious liability.. which was proven IN COURT, decided by what we call a "jury". Not by some politician in secret.

This, like many buzz bomb slayings, is extra judicial summery execution.. fascist murder, plain & simple. No different than when the king and his clowns sat around deciding who to kill.. or Hitler sent his Gestapo off to kill un popular Jews who spoke out and rallied against the national socialists.




reply posted on 3-10-2011 @ 11:33 AM by GovtFlu
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
For those who still stubbornly insist that killing those beasts without trial is unconstitutional, you folks have still yet to answer on what's your response to a Declaration of War by the beasts and had not stopped ACTUAL MURDERS OF INNOCENT FELLOW HUMANS EVEN TODAY!!

Until you give a satisfactory reply, you are just another misguided or worse - a running dog for the murderers of innocents.

Until those responsible CEASE JIHAD - THE DECLARATION OF WAR AGAINST HUMANITY, CEASE OPERATIONS AGAINST HUMANITY, UNCONDITIONALLY SURRENDER and face trial for their crimes against humanity, EVERY SINGLE JIHADIST WILL FACE THE WRATH OF SOCIETIES WITH NO MERCY, JUST AS THEY HAD NO MERCY FOR INNOCENTS.

Talking or pleading with them had been fruitless and a waste of sincere efforts for a decade. The time for talks are over. May they give up and come to their senses and rejoin humanity. There is no problem that mankind cannot solve through sincere discussions and debates to find solutions. There is more of humanity than them.


Jihad is just a euphemism for freedom from US elite policies..these "beasts" are people like you.

You seem to be impressed about characterizations of character from historic liar politician & media manipulators.. I'm more interested in the law, and due process that filters rhetoric and bias in favor of credible & relevant facts.

Speaking about "murder of innocents".. who has a higher body count / created more misery: GOP & DNC or "Jihad"? My solution is prosecute the GOP, DNC, CIA, CFR, Pentagon et al under RICO.. peace might actually break out with war profiteers behind bars. Never happen, but it'd be nice. There is no solution in my lifetime..

Trusting dear leaders to issue death sentences is what Nazi party loyalists did too.. hardly unique or original intelligent method of conducting state business... a historic fail.



reply posted on 3-10-2011 @ 11:45 AM by SeekerofTruth101
reply to post by GovtFlu



Cut the BS already! Jihad is Jihad and many more are aware of what it fully means. It is a DECLARATION OF WAR upon humanity. It is not just hot air, but had been proven with acts of horrible carnage upon innocents for a decade.

If you want to drag historical bagges of wrong doings for justify your sympathizing stand in support of terrorists, terrorism and the murder of innocents, do so on another thread.

This thread is about the death of the jihadist, regardless if he is american or non american, whom had declared war upon makind, and had finally faced the consequences of his actions, as more of his jihadists kind will soon face.

Laws protect the innocents, and do not murder innocents like the Jihadists and their supporters if jihad, overtly or covertly, do. Do know where you allegience to 'law' lies.


reply posted on 3-10-2011 @ 12:31 PM by AGWskeptic
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
For those who still stubbornly insist that killing those beasts without trial is unconstitutional, you folks have still yet to answer on what's your response to a Declaration of War by the beasts and had not stopped ACTUAL MURDERS OF INNOCENT FELLOW HUMANS EVEN TODAY!!

Until you give a satisfactory reply, you are just another misguided or worse - a running dog for the murderers of innocents.

Until those responsible CEASE JIHAD - THE DECLARATION OF WAR AGAINST HUMANITY, CEASE OPERATIONS AGAINST HUMANITY, UNCONDITIONALLY SURRENDER and face trial for their crimes against humanity, EVERY SINGLE JIHADIST WILL FACE THE WRATH OF SOCIETIES WITH NO MERCY, JUST AS THEY HAD NO MERCY FOR INNOCENTS.

Talking or pleading with them had been fruitless and a waste of sincere efforts for a decade. The time for talks are over. May they give up and come to their senses and rejoin humanity. There is no problem that mankind cannot solve through sincere discussions and debates to find solutions. There is more of humanity than them.







Maybe you should start making a list of American citizens you'd like to see killed. And we'll just suspend the constitution for those people on your list, after all, you say they are real scary people who say real scary things. Nobody will mind if there is no evidence, it's for the greater good..

Once we get rid of those we can start in on the morons, they just drain society after all. Then we can clear out the mental institutions, greater good and all.

It might take a while but given hard work and the suspension of basic rights we could get it done.

Together we could build a master race.


reply posted on 3-10-2011 @ 02:17 PM by dragonseeker
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
Originally posted by AGWskeptic
Maybe you should start making a list of American citizens you'd like to see killed. And we'll just suspend the constitution for those people on your list, after all, you say they are real scary people who say real scary things. Nobody will mind if there is no evidence, it's for the greater good..



C'mon. Cut out the BS! You can jolly read what I had written. It's about the unholy 'Declaration of War' that the jihadists had openly declared and proven with diabolical actions upon innocents for decades. When war is declared, society will have to take on a war footing to protect its citizens, and NO constitutional rights will be accorded to the enemies whom had declared war, are ready to kill innocents, or had already murdered them with more to come.

Which other american had declared war on mankind? You name them and I am sure that if they are on american soil, FBI or Homeland Security would love to have a talk with them.

Did domestic murderers declare war on mankind? None, except the manical few whom had thought to bring a gun into school and fire it at unarmed students.Even with folks like him, do you brave his bullets to arrest him or do you kill him as quickly as possible before his semi auto weapon's bullet kill another innocent student? The answer is a no-brainer.

Let the death of this jihadist be a lesson to all would-be nutjobs who wish to declare war on mankind - suffer his fate.


That's all well and good..until, POTUS gets up one day and arbitrarily decides that the "nutjob" is you.
or me

or anyone else he decides.

That's why no president should have that power. that's why due process(outlined in the 5th amendment) PROHIBITS such action:

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.

seems pretty clear to me. Barack Obama committed a high crime when he killed this guy, and the guy who was with him, both of whom were americans. he killed 2 americans, not one. Barack Obama, for this action ALONE, should be impeached and removed from office. he only has one year left on his term, and he won't be re-elected, so that won't happen. he should at least resign..but he won't. waaay to arrogant for that.


reply posted on 3-10-2011 @ 05:24 PM by MidnightTide
reply to post by SeekerofTruth101



and no one disagrees with you, but look at the bigger picture, look at how the government is starting to make normal American citizens appear to be domestic terrorists - and with the same reasoning, the president can have them killed as well.

no one is suggesting that terrorists deserve what is coming to them
edit on 3-10-2011 by MidnightTide because: (no reason given)



reply posted on 4-10-2011 @ 02:12 PM by GovtFlu
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
reply to
post by GovtFlu



Cut the BS already! Jihad is Jihad and many more are aware of what it fully means. It is a DECLARATION OF WAR upon humanity. It is not just hot air, but had been proven with acts of horrible carnage upon innocents for a decade.

If you want to drag historical bagges of wrong doings for justify your sympathizing stand in support of terrorists, terrorism and the murder of innocents, do so on another thread.

This thread is about the death of the jihadist, regardless if he is american or non american, whom had declared war upon makind, and had finally faced the consequences of his actions, as more of his jihadists kind will soon face.

Laws protect the innocents, and do not murder innocents like the Jihadists and their supporters if jihad, overtly or covertly, do. Do know where you allegience to 'law' lies.


Yawn.. where do you get these hilarious subjective terms?..people on tv? I only ever see them on fringe type message boards, never met one or seen one.. and all my years in law enforcement I never heard of the crime of "jihad" (which means "struggle").. never knew extra judicial summery assassination was the penalty. Fascinating world you live in.

"jihadist" (ooohhh) & "declared war upon mankind" (aaahhh)...

I call them pissed off people, you can call them whatever you television leaders call them.. they're still just folks upset enough to die.. who would probably be off planting flowers and painting eggs had their wedding not been bombed, homeland occupied by violent illegal aliens, quality of life reduced to shameful apocalyptic squalor.



reply posted on 4-10-2011 @ 07:00 PM by EarthCitizen07
Originally posted by SeekerofTruth101
For those who still stubbornly insist that killing those beasts without trial is unconstitutional, you folks have still yet to answer on what's your response to a Declaration of War by the beasts and had not stopped ACTUAL MURDERS OF INNOCENT FELLOW HUMANS EVEN TODAY!!

Until you give a satisfactory reply, you are just another misguided or worse - a running dog for the murderers of innocents.

Until those responsible CEASE JIHAD - THE DECLARATION OF WAR AGAINST HUMANITY, CEASE OPERATIONS AGAINST HUMANITY, UNCONDITIONALLY SURRENDER and face trial for their crimes against humanity, EVERY SINGLE JIHADIST WILL FACE THE WRATH OF SOCIETIES WITH NO MERCY, JUST AS THEY HAD NO MERCY FOR INNOCENTS.

Talking or pleading with them had been fruitless and a waste of sincere efforts for a decade. The time for talks are over. May they give up and come to their senses and rejoin humanity. There is no problem that mankind cannot solve through sincere discussions and debates to find solutions. There is more of humanity than them.


ONLY NATIONS CAN DECLARE WAR AMONG THEMSELVES!

Do you know the difference between a felonious crime and war?

Suspected criminals deserve a criminal trial for the jury to determine what if any laws have been broken and the appropriate punishment decided by the judge. IN OTHER WORDS THE PRESIDENT HAS ZERO AUTHORITY TO KILL SUSPECTED TERRORISTS RESIDING ABROAD BY ANY MEANS! They should be arrested and delivered to the appropriate jurisdiction for processing.

Not to mention dropping bombs/missles or uav strikes ON FOREIGN LAND is a declaration of war on the victimised nation.

The only one BS'ing is you and with that contemptiously arrogant "I know everything, so shut up" attitude you should be grossely ashamed of yourself. The USA government is committing war crimes throughout the world with all kinds of pretenses.


reply posted on 13-10-2011 @ 10:20 PM by subfab
reply to post by beezzer



all americans have the right to a trial by their peers. evidence needs to be presented, and a judge and jury needs to decide the american's fate.

-subfab


reply posted on 14-10-2011 @ 05:45 AM by DerbyCityLights
Since no one seems to have a grasp of Article Three of the United States Constitution, let me present it to you.

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

Article Three

As an American Citizen, this piece of garbage, this monster, this treasonous bastard DID commit treason and has openly confessed it. That is all that is needed for Congress to act.

It doesn't matter if any of you don't like the fact that we fed him cruise missiles for his Ramadan feast. The fact is, Congress has the right to declare punishment they see fit for citizens who commit treason. And during a time of war or conflict, that punishment can be death.


reply posted on 14-10-2011 @ 08:48 AM by GovtFlu
reply to post by DerbyCityLights



"No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

When was this person legally convicted?.. where is the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court?

Being a 1930s German reincarnate is a most boring trait.. but go ahead, cheer your dear leader de jure assassinating people, worked out great for the Nazi political party.. despots around the globe love it when the sheep look the other way.


reply posted on 14-10-2011 @ 09:05 AM by DerbyCityLights
Originally posted by GovtFlu
reply to
post by DerbyCityLights



"No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court."

When was this person legally convicted?.. where is the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court?



The person accused of Treason does not have to be convicted if he/she has openly confessed the action of Treason and Sedition, which he did.


Being a 1930s German reincarnate is a most boring trait.. but go ahead, cheer your dear leader de jure assassinating people, worked out great for the Nazi political party.. despots around the globe love it when the sheep look the other way.


Nice. You cant deny the facts of the US Constitutional law, so instead all you have left is the ability to lob insults. Classy.


reply posted on 14-10-2011 @ 12:45 PM by GovtFlu
reply to post by DerbyCityLights



"The person accused of Treason does not have to be convicted if he/she has openly confessed the action of Treason and Sedition, which he did. "

Confessed in a court of law?.. nope.

Ask any cop how many people walk into the station and confess to committing crimes.. happens daily. These people are not summarily killed or found guilty by politicians, why?.. because they're innocent until proven otherwise by credible & relevant court accepted evidence.

What you see on TV is not evidence, what television leaders say in public is not under oath.. ergo it's not considered legally credible & relevant... just words by people with a rich history of spinning reality.

1930s Germans fell for the exact same rhetoric.. dear leader knows best.. historically trusting war mongers who think nothing of exporting misery & suffering never works out. Ever.

Compare politicians current words to past deeds.. there's a pattern of deceit across all political boundaries.
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