I am glad you brought up a man such as Hitler in attempt to prove your point against atheism and your perception of what you must no doubt consider
what would be the moral waste land that would exist where there is no god to govern with absolutes. Hitler was in fact a Christian. A catholic to be
precise. So, already looking bad for you. Next, I would like to point out that your basis of how to choose morality is not only putting words in my
mouth but completely disconnected from any form of reality or common sense. No, the way to achieve morality without an absolute god would NOT be to
follow the ONE man with the most power. Your just pulling out a god from your framework and pushing in a human. Anyone would tell you that's stupid.
As far as I can tell, ethics and morality are a combination of concepts with a few governing rules. That goes for “Christian ethics” as well. For
instance, if I had to answer your proposition of how to find the moral “right” without the use of a god, I would have to say LOOSELY that the best
means to that end is to choose the path of doing the greatest good for the largest amount of people. Naturally, this governing rule has it's
limitations and it can be painted into a corner. But it is a starting point, and irrefutably workable in a “godless” universe.
Now, luckily for you I am indeed NOT saying that your “miracle” is the work of the Devil. Seems that you have forgotten my complete dismissal of
the Bible in my original reply to your question of what the Bible is to me. I do not believe in pretend good guys and I do not believe in pretend bad
guys. I do not, in anyway, think that what you have experienced is of supernatural means in the slightest.
Let me ask you this, if you could suspend your “faith” for a moment what, if any explanation, could you give of the experience you had? Without
some “space magic” might one not consider that perhaps they have been either fooled (in this case by your own mind) or that you were mistaken all
together and that there may have been perhaps a medical/neurological explanation for the sensation you experienced?
According to your account you where looking for a sign. It was only a matter of time before SOMETHING lined up. I can tell you of countless occasions
where when someone wanted something bad enough they either found exactly what the were looking for where it didn't even exist OR their minds played
some dastardly tricks on them and they got their irrefutable proof anyway. You already had a preconceived notion of what you where standing in line
for. You can tell me that you where an atheist before today but based on your own account you were NOT one at the time of your experience. Thusly,
taking the air out of your sails concerning your attempt to pose yourself as an unbiased case.
I propose to you this. We as a species can find absolutely anything. If we are looking for it, we can find it, no matter how absurd and ridiculous.
From faces in trees, to seeing the Virgin Mary in a piece of toast, we can “see” signs in just about everything that we encounter. We can find
what we believe are the cosmic origins of the universe or the engine of our human awareness. If we really, really want we can come up with a whole
multitude of complex, cohesive and compelling arguments for the “hows” and “whys” that encompass us daily. But just because something makes
sense doesn't make it true. The fundamentalist view (within the context of the understanding that the Bible is true) makes the most sense and has the
least amount of theological discrepancies. Newton's laws of thermodynamics also in turn, make a lot of sense. So does a materialists, naturalists, or
anti-theists point of view. (With their assumptions as context.)
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