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Originally posted by TurkeyTots
reply to post by Xaberz
You bring up a good point. When we are young, we don't know enough about the way the world works to doubt what we're told is true. When someone says that the whole world was flooded for 40 days and 40 nights and that one guy put all the animals on a boat to save them, you don't say "pffft yeah right", you say "whoa... cool...". It's similar to thinking that Santa is actually bringing you presents on the night of Christmas Eve. It's what you're told and you don't know any better, so you believe it.
As most people age, they start to see things as they are and start becoming more skeptical. However, the stories that have been introduced as part of your childhood are usually there to stay. It takes a lot to reverse those types of thoughts.
Originally posted by WhoKnows100
"I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts."
Prior to Christ, God's laws were written on stone and parchment. This didnt work out so well as man is easily persuaded to disobey it. God's gift through Christ's death was that the Holy Spirit would come into man. When the Holy Spirit comes to us, he shows us what the law really is. He writes it in your heart. If one listens to God's soft guidance, through prayer and study, it leads you on the path to know God's will and laws for mankind. It opens your eyes. One delights in following God's laws and strives to follow Him.
This was His gift to His children, to lead them home. I cannot explain it in any other way. OP, "fundamentalism" is your heart knowing what God wants and approves of versus man's set of created values.
Originally posted by TheSepticSceptic
reply to post by 547000
This is precisely what I suspected. And again realize that I say all of these things in the understanding of your original post, in that you are aiming at an open dialogue free of ad hominum attacks. Your claims of invisible stigmata are exactly the kind of false miracle that is a VISIBLE STIGMA on the reputation of many denominations of faith. It damns them before they even leave the gate. The sign you asked for is false and your motive for asking was wrong.
If you truly understood the scripture you would understand the work of John and Paul. You would understand that the “age of miracles” ended with the last persons who knew Christ personally. You would also know that the Holy Ghost is the only proof needed by anyone who turns towards God. Many of the teachings of the early church leaders explicitly state that the third part of the trinity is the one to take over the duties of “convincing man”. Therefore, you would also understand that merely asking or in biblical terms “tempting” God for a sign, is an egregious affront to the work of the Holy Spirit. You would therefore, begin to bring into question the true nature of your experience based on the description of the way Satan works and you would begin to ask you if perhaps you have been led astray.
THIS is the doctrine of Dispensationalism and you would do well to learn. I do not mean to insult you in anyway. But understand, your “experience” is really nothing to someone who was raised by REAL theologians, was taught an excessive amount of doctrine from a very early age, and came to a rational rejection of the hocuspocus anyway.
Look at all of the varying opinions of this topic on this page alone. Look at this entire website as a whole and you will find opinions multiply exponentially. Is it wrong for there to be so many variations on something? No, not necessarily. What makes it so derisive and detrimental is that, when it comes to the Bible, it is seldom enough for people to leave it at a difference of opinion. Two thousand years of recorded history prove the deadly nature of these ideas. There are discussions that occur everyday about the factual existence of Socrates. But as far as I know, no one has been moved to start a genocide, world war, ethnic cleansing, or book burning crusade in response to his teaching. I still do not see the merits of such a book.
What are you looking for in this book? Why do you feel it must be true? What would be the implications if it were not? What if your original “gut feeling” on the subject were accurate? What would that mean to you, to the world? You tell me. What are the imperatives of this subject? What do you fear?