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Where Are All The ELENIN Conspiracy Theorists Now?

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posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 06:41 AM
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Compare my one foray into oddness with stereo's 7000+ posts on something he believes is a ridiculous hoax.. why would an intelligent person waste time on such a folly?

Now that is a little odd...

Is there a mystery to ponder?

Why not post your thoughts in this thread?
www.abovetopsecret.com...




posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 06:56 AM
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The Nemesis idea was dropped because the proposed orbit was shown to be unstable. Also, the apparent 26My extinction cycle was seen to be wrong. It does not exist.


And since it has already been successfully argued that if one had been discovered closer which poses significant risk they wouldn't tell us.. There is no way to rule out that there isn't one approaching.

Nothing of the sort has been successfully argued. In fact I opened a thread on the issue with hardly a comment on the subject. You are welcome to try to successfully argue the "hide" side of the issue.
www.abovetopsecret.com...


But we can search for the effects this brown dwarf has.. Statistical evidence does exist for this and the argument that the orbit would be too unstable is false as it such orbits have been found.

The statistical evidence is regarded as just above a statistical fluke. In other words it is quite weak. The unstable orbit is one that does not occur in a regular pattern. It was shown a long time ago that a highly elliptical orbit would not be stable if it entered the part of the solar system where the known planets orbit.

Walter Cruttenden is listed in the article without much reference to his work and why it is listed here other than he wrote a book and thinks Sedna supports his book.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 07:01 AM
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If it was a stitching issue, it would not be a regular shape. Why didn't thy resolve this?

The original images were regular shapes.

I have no idea why they dropped stitched areas. My guess is that the images were too noisy to produce an aesthetic stitch. If you care go ask them.


And since we have already determined from your logic that NASA and the government wouldn't tell us if we were at risk.. Then one your previous answers on this subject is void.

I never said anything of that nature.


We just established that NASA's WISE and very few other telescopes would be able to detect and confirm this object.. So what do we have to look for.. Perhaps an indicator, some hint..

WISE data will be available soon after the initial team gets its crack at the data.

To link old data on Google to this is ludicrous since the data is online at other locations on the web.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 07:02 AM
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If I had to guess I would say in there bunkers!



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 07:03 AM
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The point was to show that the Nibiru/Nemsis theory is just that a theory which should not be derided as a hoax..


No-one has ever derided the Nemesis theory as a hoax. It is the identification of Nemesis, which is plausible, with Nibiru, which is fantasy, that is in question. Intentional hoaxers like Terral have deliberately confounded them and tried to create hysteria by claiming that an ordinary comet is some sort of apocalyptic death star.


Furthermore that if our sun was part of a binary system that the only people who could verify that would be the people with specialist equipment. eg NASA


Not necessarily; if the companion body were large enough, anyone could compare star fields from sky surveys taken over the past century and spot it for themselves. This would take a great deal of time and patience; it's easier just to make unsubstantiated claims.


We have already argued that if it posed a risk we would not be told.. So we have established that it is not a hoax, but a theory.


No, you have speculated that if it posed a risk we would not be told. Nemesis/Tyche remains an unproven theory; Nibiru is science fiction.


So if we don't have access to this equipment.

We can look for the following.

1) Efforts to suppress the information. Disinformation, Blacking out areas of Google sky. Press conference on NEO to attempt to close the subject.


Absence of information does not mean it has been suppressed; it may simply not exist. What do you mean by "disinformation?" Facts you disagree with? What does Google Sky have to do with anything? It's just an educational video game. If NASA would try to conceal potential dangers, why would they even mention NEO's, let alone publish watch lists?


2) Economic collapse. New financial crisis when the recovery was well underway. Move to safe stocks, stock market 'finished'.


What does this have to do with comet Elenin, Nemesis/Tyche or even Nibiru?


3) World leaders on recess for danger period.


What "danger period?" The President spoke at a campaign fund raiser in California on the day that comet Elenin was supposed to cause a major disaster.


4) Meteorites falling from the sky. Possible death in Argentina.


Meteorites fall from the sky every day. The death in Argentina was almost certainly caused by a gas explosion.


5) Desensitizing. UARS satellite followed by ROSSAT on the 9th November.


I thought you said NASA wouldn't warn us about something if it were dangerous. That's twice in one month NASA has warned us about something dangerous. Maybe you are wrong about NASA's policy.


6) Emergency test transmission 9th November. Linked to rush for digital switch over.


Why would they want to test an emergency warning system if they've switched to a new broadcast standard?


7) Asteroid YU55 close pass 8th/9th November.


What does that have to do with Elenin, Nemesis/Tyche or even Nibiru?


8) Amateur astronomers are reporting anomalies in ELEnin's orbit.


No, they're not. They have reported that it is disintegrating, however.


9) Increase in Solar flare activity.


Happens in a regular 22 year cycle.


10) Increased volcanic activity. Take a look at this list.. notice a pattern www.volcano.si.edu...


Yes; the list only goes back one year, with a couple of historic supervolcanoes thrown in at the end.


11) Increase in Earthquake activity (Hard to prove as increased detection methods may alter results, so better to focus on volcanic activity.)


It is even harder to establish an historical baseline for volcanic activity, as it has only been in the past century that the Earth has been sufficiently explored that all the volcanoes can be monitored.

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posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 07:13 AM
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The point was to show that the Nibiru/Nemsis theory is just that a theory which should not be derided as a hoax..

Nibiru is a hoax. It's a fiction created by Sitchin.
Nemesis was a proposal that was tested and shown to be incorrect. It's not a hoax. It is a theory that did not pass muster.


Furthermore that if our sun was part of a binary system that the only people who could verify that would be the people with specialist equipment. eg NASA

That is because the object is small and far away.


We have already argued that if it posed a risk we would not be told.. So we have established that it is not a hoax, but a theory.

It depends on what is being argued. Nibiru is a hoax. Nemesis is impossible.


We can look for the following.

1) Efforts to suppress the information. Disinformation, Blacking out areas of Google sky. Press conference on NEO to attempt to close the subject.

2) Economic collapse. New financial crisis when the recovery was well underway. Move to safe stocks, stock market 'finished'.

3) World leaders on recess for danger period.

4) Meteorites falling from the sky. Possible death in Argentina.

5) Desensitizing. UARS satellite followed by ROSSAT on the 9th November.

6) Emergency test transmission 9th November. Linked to rush for digital switch over.

7) Asteroid YU55 close pass 8th/9th November.

8) Amateur astronomers are reporting anomalies in ELEnin's orbit.

9) Increase in Solar flare activity.

10) Increased volcanic activity. Take a look at this list.. notice a pattern www.volcano.si.edu...

11) Increase in Earthquake activity (Hard to prove as increased detection methods may alter results, so better to focus on volcanic activity.)

1. Blacked out data is available
2. Economic collapse has nothing to do with a distant claimed new object int he solar system
3. Maybe
4. Thousands of fireballs happen each day - this is a dud. Argentina was not a meteor.
5. This is laughable - gasping
6. Emergency tests - more gasping
7. Predicted well in advance
8. All comets have slight changes due to outgassing
9. We are headed to a maximum
10. There is no increase in volcanism. You are telling a LIE. You know that the site you reference states this

Note that the number of confirmed erupting volcanoes has leveled off between 50 and 70 per year through the past four decades, and a linear regression line through the data indicates that volcanism has been virtually constant.

11. There is no increase in quakes



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by stereologist
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The Nemesis idea was dropped because the proposed orbit was shown to be unstable. Also, the apparent 26My extinction cycle was seen to be wrong. It does not exist.


And since it has already been successfully argued that if one had been discovered closer which poses significant risk they wouldn't tell us.. There is no way to rule out that there isn't one approaching.

Nothing of the sort has been successfully argued. In fact I opened a thread on the issue with hardly a comment on the subject. You are welcome to try to successfully argue the "hide" side of the issue.
www.abovetopsecret.com...


But we can search for the effects this brown dwarf has.. Statistical evidence does exist for this and the argument that the orbit would be too unstable is false as it such orbits have been found.

The statistical evidence is regarded as just above a statistical fluke. In other words it is quite weak. The unstable orbit is one that does not occur in a regular pattern. It was shown a long time ago that a highly elliptical orbit would not be stable if it entered the part of the solar system where the known planets orbit.

Walter Cruttenden is listed in the article without much reference to his work and why it is listed here other than he wrote a book and thinks Sedna supports his book.



If the orbit of Nibiru is unstable/irregular .. that would explain the 26My cycle of extinctions, while the pattern exists for long periods, on occasion Nibiru's orbit does not cause as much danger..



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 07:19 AM
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"Gasping"

Are you o.k chap? Is it Asthma ? do you need me to call someone ? You need to get that looked at..


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posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 07:39 AM
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Originally posted by stereologist
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The point was to show that the Nibiru/Nemsis theory is just that a theory which should not be derided as a hoax..

Nibiru is a hoax. It's a fiction created by Sitchin.
Nemesis was a proposal that was tested and shown to be incorrect. It's not a hoax. It is a theory that did not pass muster.


Furthermore that if our sun was part of a binary system that the only people who could verify that would be the people with specialist equipment. eg NASA

That is because the object is small and far away.


We have already argued that if it posed a risk we would not be told.. So we have established that it is not a hoax, but a theory.

It depends on what is being argued. Nibiru is a hoax. Nemesis is impossible.


We can look for the following.

1) Efforts to suppress the information. Disinformation, Blacking out areas of Google sky. Press conference on NEO to attempt to close the subject.

2) Economic collapse. New financial crisis when the recovery was well underway. Move to safe stocks, stock market 'finished'.

3) World leaders on recess for danger period.

4) Meteorites falling from the sky. Possible death in Argentina.

5) Desensitizing. UARS satellite followed by ROSSAT on the 9th November.

6) Emergency test transmission 9th November. Linked to rush for digital switch over.

7) Asteroid YU55 close pass 8th/9th November.

8) Amateur astronomers are reporting anomalies in ELEnin's orbit.

9) Increase in Solar flare activity.

10) Increased volcanic activity. Take a look at this list.. notice a pattern www.volcano.si.edu...

11) Increase in Earthquake activity (Hard to prove as increased detection methods may alter results, so better to focus on volcanic activity.)


1. Blacked out data is available

Now it has been edited.

2. Economic collapse has nothing to do with a distant claimed new object int he solar system

Yes it is possible, it would explain the rise in gold and safe commodities.

3. Maybe

That is the first time we have agreed on anything!

4. Thousands of fireballs happen each day - this is a dud. Argentina was not a meteor.

Have you been there? cannot be said either way. Witnesses accounts suggest it is so..

5. This is laughable - gasping

Again hysterical laughter, mockery easy to avoid the issue.


6. Emergency tests - more gasping

Yes I am shocked too glad we agree on this!

7. Predicted well in advance.

8. All comets have slight changes due to outgassing
9. We are headed to a maximum
10. There is no increase in volcanism. You are telling a LIE. You know that the site you reference states this

Note that the number of confirmed erupting volcanoes has leveled off between 50 and 70 per year through the past four decades, and a linear regression line through the data indicates that volcanism has been virtually constant.


Not true this year's figures are conclusive prove of an increase. You are denying evidence.

11. There is no increase in quakes


Not true, over the last ten years there has been an increase beyond that we cannot say either way, due to the increase in detection.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 07:49 AM
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Even if Nemesis existed (which it doesn't) it wouldn't fit in with the Nibiru mythos at all. So why call it Nibiru? Nemesis is a companion star that is 50,000 AU away and never enters the orbits of the known planets. It was stated to cause mass extinctions every 26 million years due to sending comets from the Oort Cloud hurtling towards Earth. Nibiru on the other hand is a planet that enter the inner solar system every 3600 years and causes destruction due to its gravity. Also aliens might be involved. The only thing these two have in common is that they don't exist.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 07:50 AM
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If the orbit of Nibiru is unstable/irregular .. that would explain the 26My cycle of extinctions, while the pattern exists for long periods, on occasion Nibiru's orbit does not cause as much danger..

According to Sitchin his fictional planet has a 3600 year orbit. Why are you claiming millions of years for Nibiru?



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 08:22 AM
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If we do have a companion.. it is likely to have been part of our solar system since it first formed. So thinking in terms of 3600 year periods is limited for explaining mass extinctions.. Whilst every 3600 it could perhaps exert influence and cause chaos.. The key word is chaos..

Whilst we like neat solutions, you should take into account chaos theory. Like we struggle to predict weather patterns due to the amount of variables.. space is the same.

Nemesis and Nibiru are the same thing.. But if is confusing shall we stick to Nibiru?

"In particular, if Nemesis is a red dwarf star or a brown dwarf, the WISE mission (an infrared sky survey that covered most of our solar neighborhood in movement-verifying parallax measurements) is expected able to find it.[9] Preliminary results of the WISE survey were released on 14 April 2011.[10] The final release of analyzed results is to be released in March 2012.[11]"

en.wikipedia.org...(hypothetical_star)

2012 that's handy.. !



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 08:25 AM
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Originally posted by mockrock
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If we do have a companion.. it is likely to have been part of our solar system since it first formed. So thinking in terms of 3600 year periods is limited for explaining mass extinctions.. Whilst every 3600 it could perhaps exert influence and cause chaos.. The key word is chaos..

Whilst we like neat solutions, you should take into account chaos theory. Like we struggle to predict weather patterns due to the amount of variables.. space is the same.

Nemesis and Nibiru are the same thing.. But if is confusing shall we stick to Nibiru?

"In particular, if Nemesis is a red dwarf star or a brown dwarf, the WISE mission (an infrared sky survey that covered most of our solar neighborhood in movement-verifying parallax measurements) is expected able to find it.[9] Preliminary results of the WISE survey were released on 14 April 2011.[10] The final release of analyzed results is to be released in March 2012.[11]"

en.wikipedia.org...(hypothetical_star)

2012 that's handy.. !

Come on Stereo.. Still time to do the right thing! What's the real timeline.. Is there any hope for anyone who is not deep underground? Is November the 9th the day effects can no longer be denied? Or is this a critical event?







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posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 08:42 AM
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Nemesis and Nibiru are the same thing.. But if is confusing shall we stick to Nibiru?


So, you want us to take Nemesis hypothesis seriously, but then you opt to call it the name of a fantasy planet instead of its actual name? I hope you're not wondering why people don't take you seriously.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 08:56 AM
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Yes the name of the dwarf star is irrelevant.. it's effect are not. People are rarely 100% right so Stitichin may have elements of truth in his work, whilst some of it is fantasy.

Eintstein made mistakes.. but we don't deride all of his work because he made some errors.


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posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 09:04 AM
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Is it a dwarf star or a dwarf planet? They're two completely different things. Also, the only elements of truth in Sitchin's theory is that there was a civilization called Sumer. The Sumerians didn't even have the word nibiru. It didn't appear until the Akkadians and it had nothing to do with astronomy.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 09:39 AM
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The cycle of mass extinctions has not been disproved,

"With surprising and mysterious regularity, life on Earth has flourished and vanished in cycles of mass extinction every 62 million years, say two UC Berkeley scientists who discovered the pattern after a painstaking computer study of fossil records going back for more than 500 million years."

physics.berkeley.edu...



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 09:48 AM
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Not true, over the last ten years there has been an increase beyond that we cannot say either way, due to the increase in detection.

That's simply false. There has been no change in the last decade and no evidence of an increase in large quakes, the more easily detected quakes, before that.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 10:01 AM
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Nemesis and Nibiru are the same thing.. But if is confusing shall we stick to Nibiru?

At least now you state the obvious that you have no idea what is being discussed.

These are not the same thing. They do not have the same properties.

If Nemesis were a red dwarf it would have appeared in the IRAS data. It did not.
Nemesis would have been easily seen in WISE data if it were a brown dwarf. It is not reported.
Nemesis has properties shown to be impossible.

Tyche is not a brown dwarf. It is a hypothetical gas giant that should be detected in the WISE data.



posted on Oct, 7 2011 @ 10:02 AM
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Nothing you discuss has anything whatsoever to do with any near dates. Why ask about November?



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