It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Thank you.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
It wouldn’t surprise me if it was the earth literally groaning.
The past couple of years have been a real eye-opener for me in terms of the literal nature of the Bible, so it wouldn’t surprise me in the least if creation was both figuratively AND literally groaning. After all, the book of Romans says that "Creation itself groans, awaiting its redemption at the hand of God"...
My thoughts up to this point have tended more toward scientific principles – e.g. one of my fundamental beliefs regarding the “nature of the universe” (e.g. the expansion of the universe, how planets function, how the sun generates heat etc.) is that everything that we see around us operates, at least to some extent, under the degenerative processes set in motion by sin. So, for example, the universe isn’t expanding so much as it is unravelling… the sun, while it does have clear evidence of nuclear processes, is also subject to gravitational collapse etc.
It wouldn’t surprise me at all if the earth is literally being overburdened by sin. Whether that sin is related to the blood being spilled every day (and that wouldn’t be surprising, we know that the earth cries out to God over the blood of His children – why should that be merely figurative?), or sin in a broader sense, I don’t know, but it would be hardly surprising if either or both were the case.
In another sense though I wonder whether it’s a gravitational thing. We tend to take the laws of science and physics as being fixed constants – but the more we learn as a race, the more we explore, the less fixed and constant things seem to be. In fact, even this week science discovered that neutrinos move faster than the speed of light, which contradicts Einstein’s theory of relativity in a number of crucial ways. But these discoveries, rather than showing me that we’re simply wrong in what we believe about the universe, tend to suggest to me that the weight of sin has actually broken the fundamental structure of the universe. The rules that govern everything we know… are themselves falling into decay.
I don’t have any concrete or Biblical evidence to suggest that this is so, but I think it’s consistent with Biblical principles, and the more I read about the world around us the more I feel that it’s the case.
So perhaps, rather than, or in addition to, groaning over sin, the world itself is literally… falling into decay. The very fabric that holds our world together is stretched thin, and its effects are being felt everywhere. This might also explain the increase in earthquakes and natural disasters; the subtle expansion and retraction of our planet based on a form of gravitational collapse and/or compromise.
Anyway. That’s my theory… take it or leave it!
Originally posted by Awen24
reply to post by Heartisblack
...I'm not entirely sure you need to apologise for that
As I say, this is written from a Biblical Worldview. Not everybody will agree with it (even some Christians won't, no doubt), and it *is* mere conjecture on my part. Regardless, it's something to think about Thanks for contributing
Originally posted by Heartisblack
Originally posted by Awen24
reply to post by Heartisblack
...I'm not entirely sure you need to apologise for that
As I say, this is written from a Biblical Worldview. Not everybody will agree with it (even some Christians won't, no doubt), and it *is* mere conjecture on my part. Regardless, it's something to think about Thanks for contributing
I was thinking it was the trumpets of the Apocalypse, I know some Christians that'll take the nibiru theory before this. It's actually mad, we don't know what to agree on. But the theory wasn't bad, but I'd believe the Angel trumpets before that one.
Originally posted by St Udio
'sin' is a moral imperative...and that stuff does not make the Earth (a spiritual force) groan... thats not in the Laws of Physics
the Planet however might just be undergoing a structural change caused by the excessive heat generated by the inner core and outer core and the resultant changes generated in the Earth's layers of Mantle...
the miles thick 'crust' is being stressed, elasticated, pulled/crunched in unusual ways...from beneath !
the sciences of today cannot dutifully assess the metrics of these forces---mostly because this cyclical change in the 'health' of the planet has no known benchmark to compare with
best guess of the groaning/earthquakes/ new, hot mantle plumes causing distress upon the ground beneath our feet... is that this period of transition preceeds all magnetic pole shifts thoughout geologic history...
Originally posted by St Udio
reply to post by Awen24
well that seems to be saying 'entropy' occurs because of the absence of a outside & superior force (spirituality/belief/faith are examples in the existential realm)...
i'm in the camp of purely organic/chemical/ cause-effect 'forces' not some mystical or poetic 'force-field' as you seem to propose...
but the spiritualized areas ...like the Law of Attraction...is only a ripple in the 'Continuium', best left to imaginations like the Star-Wars 'Force' and religious energiesedit on 25-9-2011 by St Udio because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Lil Drummerboy
After listening to that first Vid,.
First off it is very interesting how it stops when the child speaks and then the video
taker speaks.. Kinda seems to me that is a completely recorded sound being played
within the apartment of the video taker.
No one in the streets seemed to take any notice to the sound,.
also,. how is it that if this wasnt Very unusual,. it did not make any news?
secondly,. I dont see how this at all relates to the Bible as it appears a completely
person made sound.
I have watched other videos that have been recently made of "sounds in the air"
and again,. no news coverage? people would talk of these things and there is nothing
substantial to prove otherwise..
Sorry,. dont see the connection or plausibility.
Originally posted by Lil Drummerboy
After listening to that first Vid,.
First off it is very interesting how it stops when the child speaks and then the video
taker speaks.. Kinda seems to me that is a completely recorded sound being played
within the apartment of the video taker.
No one in the streets seemed to take any notice to the sound,.
also,. how is it that if this wasnt Very unusual,. it did not make any news?
secondly,. I dont see how this at all relates to the Bible as it appears a completely
person made sound.
I have watched other videos that have been recently made of "sounds in the air"
and again,. no news coverage? people would talk of these things and there is nothing
substantial to prove otherwise..
Sorry,. dont see the connection or plausibility.